Yeah, I thought it was kinda funny that people were considering the price drop in 2020 anything other than a temporary pandemic-related thing.
Saturday's $3.99 prices in Tallahassee are $4.19 today. Sam's and Costco went from $3.63 to $3.83. The lines at Costco were unbelievably long at noon today.
I sure wish everybody posting prices in here would give a general area. It's not a big lot of helpful info to know that somewhere in the world gasoline costs $x.xx.
Yes, the price of things has gone up in the past 20 years...Woah looks like $2 gas is coming here too. $1.99/litre at 3 gas stations here according to Ontario Gas Prices site. The other ones have not updated in about 10 hours so guessing those went up too. The price hike must have happened in the past few hours.
To think that before 9/11 it was under a dollar. It has more than doubled now.
I'm in Northern Ontario.
Obviously you aren't in California, because most stations are still below $6 for all grades. Like I said, several I noticed yesterday had premium at $5.999 but this is still higher than market rate. The Shell station I normally go to was $5.68 last night for premium (according to Google), but they are a bit lower than most "top tier" brands. $7+ are currently the outliers trying to gouge customers (it's not illegal) and the news likes to use the image to cause alarm and anger.Wholesale price of gasoline is up to 3.80 now. With CA' forcing an more expensive blend and the high taxes $7+ seems about right. You'd think it'd be more than that come summer.
Historically I don't think these kinds of price surges have lasted long because it gets more drilling going. This time might be different depending on how long Ukraine holds out.
I said it before, but one thing that's silly about the news reporting "record setting" gas prices is none of them care to adjust for inflation. Maybe some reporter has, but I haven't personally seen it yet. $4.20 in 2008 is not nearly the same as in 2022, but why waste a good headline with details?
It just jumped up over $4.10 a gallon just about everywhere around Dayton, Ohio.
If more people eventually get hybrids, that would offload some of the demand from gasoline to electricity. Of course, if the electricity is still coming from fossil fuels (natural gas, etc.), then that doesn't help improve air quality that much, and it also involves an extra step of inefficiency. (loss going from natural gas to electric before being used)
I don't see things improving a lot until/unless a modular network of next generation nuclear reactors are built out - the automated, small ones that are the size of a shipping container. That's about the only route forward that I see to clean, constant electricity production that doesn't foul the air we breathe.
Maybe we can attach little heat exchangers to the sides of all firearms and shoot our way to energy independence?It just jumped up over $4.10 a gallon just about everywhere around Dayton, Ohio.
If more people eventually get hybrids, that would offload some of the demand from gasoline to electricity. Of course, if the electricity is still coming from fossil fuels (natural gas, etc.), then that doesn't help improve air quality that much, and it also involves an extra step of inefficiency. (loss going from natural gas to electric before being used)
I don't see things improving a lot until/unless a modular network of next generation nuclear reactors are built out - the automated, small ones that are the size of a shipping container. That's about the only route forward that I see to clean, constant electricity production that doesn't foul the air we breathe.
Yes, the price of things has gone up in the past 20 years...
Nuclear waste storage is a much bigger engineering/logistics problem than carbon capture is. That said, new nuclear reactor designs (namely thorium) purportedly have many benefits and a much reduced or mitigated waste problem, though I'm not very familiar with them and I'm basically parroting what smarter folks than myself have said. I think those are worth investigating.Large scale energy generation even accounting for conversion inefficiencies and the fact that it often comes from fossil fuels is a lot more efficient than everyone hauling around their own mini power plant. The “mpge” numbers attempt to quantify that based on average electricity generation sources. You can also look it up by state.
Agreed that largely ditching nuclear development has been a colossal mistake. Storage of nuclear waste is a solvable engineering problem in the near term, mitigating excess carbon pollution is not. At this point it might be better to very quickly ramp up solar and battery storage though.
From what I've seen, I would say nuclear waste is more of a political problem than an engineering/logistics problem. We know about long-term storage, and we could always do what the French do and reprocess fuel to get more useable life out of the nuclear fuel we have (and is currently considered waste).Nuclear waste storage is a much bigger engineering/logistics problem than carbon capture is. That said, new nuclear reactor designs (namely thorium) purportedly have many benefits and a much reduced or mitigated waste problem, though I'm not very familiar with them and I'm basically parroting what smarter folks than myself have said. I think those are worth investigating.
Given the fact that fossil fuels have such benefits of energy density, transportability and already integrated distribution infrastructure, it's much better in my mind to develop carbon capture/biofuel tech than to throw all that out and build a whole new grid. I'm sure someone has done a more nuanced economics analysis at some point.
Agreed, the French get 70% of their electricity from nuclear, and less than 10% from fossil fuels. 3 biggest pluses for the 'boxcar' type modular nuclear reactors are: A) can be mass produced, assembly line style (bringing down costs) B) automated (bringing down costs) & C) use molten salts for cooling, rather than water for cooling tower, & are designed not to be able to overheat - so much safer (can even be buried for extra security)From what I've seen, I would say nuclear waste is more of a political problem than an engineering/logistics problem. We know about long-term storage, and we could always do what the French do and reprocess fuel to get more useable life out of the nuclear fuel we have (and is currently considered waste).
If more people eventually get hybrids, that would offload some of the demand from gasoline to electricity.
And now, 2 days later, $4.859 (western WA)Looks like diesel is $4.399 at Costco currently.
We bitch about gas prices here in the states, but we have some of the lowest petrol and diesel prices at the pump anywhere in the world. Even across the border by @Red Squirrel the prices are almost doubled. Europe is just as high as that, or worse. It varies by region within countries as well, but to read about the prices in Canada...wow.