What's your lbs/hp ratio?

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slashbinslashbash

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23.3:1

2001 Saturn SL, 100hp / 2330lbs curb weight

Probably more like 26:1 or 27:1 when you load it up with me, a tank of gas, and all the crap that I keep in it.
 

slashbinslashbash

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Depends on your POV. I was thinking more along the lines of 1:1 because I know many cars local to me that are less then even 1:1. :whiste:

So, wait... you're saying you know of a car that weighs under 1000lbs and has an engine over 1000hp? Just to toss out a pair of numbers.
 

Sunny129

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Since everyone keeps overlooking the obvious, I'll state it again....



All of these numbers that everyone tosses around are pointless in the ultimate scheme of things. For me, who cares if a car can make 1:1 if it can't get me to work? Well, the guy who built it obviously cares hence that's why he built it. All of these threads are just an e-peen contest and those who get worked up about it must be lacking in e-peen.
look, i don't think anybody is failing to acknowledge the point you're trying to make, and i couldn't agree more that at the end of the day, it doesn't matter what you drive so long as it makes you happy. heck, i had a Toyota Celica that i used to beat on and love for the same reasons you and OILFIELDTRASH speak of (until it threw a rod LOL). but in all fairness, the topic of the thread is "what is your power-to-weight ratio?" not "is your power-to-weight ratio important to you? why or why not?"

as for people getting worked up being an e-peen issue, i disagree. the only bragging rights anyone has in this thread is his or her own power-to-weight ratio (of which only a handful of folks here can even truly brag), and that's not even what folks got "worked up" about. some folks were just responding to (and not necessarily getting worked up about) your statement regarding having not yet seen any "supercar numbers" from posters in this thread, when in fact a handful of them (and i'm not including the bikes) had already posted.

no biggie...nobody is getting bent out of shape over it...we're just agreeing w/ some things, disagreeing w/ others, and expressing our own opinions at the same time. besides, i don't think you truly believe that this thread is just an e-peen contest or you wouldn't have participated yourself. you've got a Camaro with a 6.4:1 weight-to-power ratio based on WHP, which means you must be putting down some real serious power b/c a Camaro is a heavy car, no two ways about it (unless you stripped the interior or something crazy like that). but like the rest of us who make decent power, i have to assume you do it b/c you're an enthusiast first and foremost, and not b/c you're solely obsessed w/ status, or being faster than everyone around you.
 

Gillbot

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Exactly why I love my two different color foxbody mustang. Cost was very low, fun as hell, and it gets washed when it rains. To me that is what a toy should be. Fun with minimal worries and stress. Don't lose one bit of sleep with the amount of money invested.
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So, wait... you're saying you know of a car that weighs under 1000lbs and has an engine over 1000hp? Just to toss out a pair of numbers.

Considering the car pegged the dyno with 2400HP at only 4000 or so RPM and the car runs to 9000 RPM, I'd say it's a safe bet it runs at a better than 1:1 ratio when the car's weight is only ~3000#.

look, i don't think anybody is failing to acknowledge the point you're trying to make, and i couldn't agree more that at the end of the day, it doesn't matter what you drive so long as it makes you happy. heck, i had a Toyota Celica that i used to beat on and love for the same reasons you and OILFIELDTRASH speak of (until it threw a rod LOL). but in all fairness, the topic of the thread is "what is your power-to-weight ratio?" not "is your power-to-weight ratio important to you? why or why not?"

as for people getting worked up being an e-peen issue, i disagree. the only bragging rights anyone has in this thread is his or her own power-to-weight ratio (of which only a handful of folks here can even truly brag), and that's not even what folks got "worked up" about. some folks were just responding to (and not necessarily getting worked up about) your statement regarding having not yet seen any "supercar numbers" from posters in this thread, when in fact a handful of them (and i'm not including the bikes) had already posted.

no biggie...nobody is getting bent out of shape over it...we're just agreeing w/ some things, disagreeing w/ others, and expressing our own opinions at the same time. besides, i don't think you truly believe that this thread is just an e-peen contest or you wouldn't have participated yourself. you've got a Camaro with a 6.4:1 weight-to-power ratio based on WHP, which means you must be putting down some real serious power b/c a Camaro is a heavy car, no two ways about it (unless you stripped the interior or something crazy like that). but like the rest of us who make decent power, i have to assume you do it b/c you're an enthusiast first and foremost, and not b/c you're solely obsessed w/ status, or being faster than everyone around you.

If it's just a number then take it for what it is, just a number. When people start complaining about that SIMPLE number, then yes, people are getting bent out of shape over it.

As for my car, you rarely see me post anything about it. Why? Because I really don't care what anyone thinks about it. But for those that must know because they feel the need for me to justify my calculations, I'll break it down simple.

Car on the scale with me in it is 3520#. With a 150 shot of nitrous it's at 550 WHEEL horsepower for the 6.4:1 ratio. If I step that up to a 200 shot, it's at 600 WHEEL horsepower for a 5.87:1 ratio.

I can get the car MUCH lighter if I care to, but in the long run it's more of a street car than a race car. So no, I don't think those are supercar numbers or anything close to it because ANYONE with a similar car can do exactly the same thing and get the same numbers. Those power to weight ratios are so easily obtained with any decent car today that I don't find them impressive at all. With that said, if you want to calculate supercar numbers, do it using $ per HP or something. THAT is where you'll see supercar numbers really stand out.

Supercar is a term used most often to describe an expensive high end car. It has been defined specifically as "a very expensive, fast or powerful car". Stated in more general terms: "it must be very fast, with sporting handling to match", "it should be sleek and eye-catching" and its price should be "one in a rarefied atmosphere of its own".

That is why I dismiss the numbers so readily. Anyone that's remotely into cars will see numbers like mine every day so no, they aren't that big of a deal. My neighbor has three pro bikes and there are a couple of pro mod cars in the neighborhood which readily eclipse the 1:1 lb/hp ratio. To me, those are supercars in both performance and cost so that takes me back to my original point.
Depends on your POV...
 

jlee

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That is why I dismiss the numbers so readily. Anyone that's remotely into cars will see numbers like mine every day so no, they aren't that big of a deal. My neighbor has three pro bikes and there are a couple of pro mod cars in the neighborhood which readily eclipse the 1:1 lb/hp ratio. To me, those are supercars in both performance and cost so that takes me back to my original point.

I don't see anyone saying how big of a deal such numbers are - but by your own logic, Ferrari, Lamborghini, McLaren, etc do not make supercars.
 

Gillbot

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I don't see anyone saying how big of a deal such numbers are - but by your own logic, Ferrari, Lamborghini, McLaren, etc do not make supercars.

Way to twist my words... READ and QUOTE my whole statement.


gillbot said:
With that said, if you want to calculate supercar numbers, do it using $ per HP or something. THAT is where you'll see supercar numbers really stand out.

Goes right in line with the very definition that you omitted:
Supercar is a term used most often to describe an expensive high end car. It has been defined specifically as "a very expensive, fast or powerful car". Stated in more general terms: "it must be very fast, with sporting handling to match", "it should be sleek and eye-catching" and its price should be "one in a rarefied atmosphere of its own".

As I stated, to me the local Pro Mod cars are more of a super car due to their cost, but by the public assumed definition they don't fit because they in fact are not Ferrari's, Lamborghini's or other "exotic" badged vehicles. I'd be willing to bet that their owners likely have more invested into them than many exotics cost. Really though, we are just splitting hair here.

I'm also not the one that started on this whole supercar debate based on the power calculations alone. My comment simply reflects my point of view that this simple performance ratio does NOT make a "supercar" and by definition it's cost/exclusivity over performance. There are plenty of well powered vehicles out there, and adding modifications to enhance the performance to achieve this randomly tossed out number of 5:1 is readily achievable to nearly anyone. Hell, given enough money, anyone can make anything powerful. I've seen Vegas and Chevettes with over 2000HP but by no means would most of the public consider those a supercar.
 

KentState

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Somewhere around 6.1:1 right now. I know that at this point I need drag radials. It was scary at the track today and I didn't want anymore after a couple runs.
 

Apex

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Bragger, you know we all silently request you be barred from posting here. :wub:

Meh, after all that work, the brother in law just picked up a cheap bike that's much faster (2013 BMW S 1000 RR at less than 3 lbs per hp fully fueled and with me on it). I'll take him in the corners though*. Haha.




* Yes, he's too chicken to drag his knees on anything but perfect asphalt.
 

herm0016

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5200/320= 16.5 hp
5200/340= 15.3 tq

09 1/2 ton gmc. sure did a fine job towing 8k lbs 1500 miles though.

my boat is ~ 50 lbs per hp!
 
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nerp

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this absolutely sounds like someone who does care , or at the very least cares he cant really post anything constructive in this thread.

No. I'm lazy and don't feel like google/math. It's close to the Challenger post immediately below your comment, i'm sure of that.
 

Gillbot

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No. I'm lazy and don't feel like google/math. It's close to the Challenger post immediately below your comment, i'm sure of that.

It took more effort to type up the first post in this thread and this reply than it would have to initially answer the question. You most certainly do care or you wouldn't have even opened this thread to begin with.
 

Ferzerp

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We can be sure that if I asked how many forward gears everyone had, he'd be *all* over that!

By the way, nerp. Yours is ~13.6-14.1 (could not find curb weight agreement)

edit: I'm not trying to be mean, but damn you're proud of your extra cruising gears.
 
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nerp

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It took more effort to type up the first post in this thread and this reply than it would have to initially answer the question. You most certainly do care or you wouldn't have even opened this thread to begin with.

Not really. I could post in the thread without having to open another browser window.

But since you think I care, and I don't, here's my number: 13.68493150684932.

Vrooooom.
 
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