When are we going to be free of the flash player ?

[William Gaatjes]

I had learned that HTML 5 offers features that make the flash player obsolete.


Also, i have to do weakly updates to the flash player software now.
And this last update seems to slow down my internet experience. More HD activity than usual now from my browser.

To be honest, i just do not like flash player based web sites.


/Rant

 

[beginner99]

That's were Apple was right. Flash sucks. They probably didn't implement because it would not have performed well.

But IMHO it will be years. There are too many people that use legacy browser and too many that use IE in general.

 

[William Gaatjes]

That's were Apple was right. Flash sucks. They probably didn't implement because it would not have performed well.

But IMHO it will be years. There are too many people that use legacy browser and too many that use IE in general.

I fully agree. Flash is horrible and usually the flash websites are created by a designer who licked the lower back of some poisonous toad prior before developing the flash page website..

Another example is the pdf format. It is a Portable Document Format. Why does a pdf need the ability to execute code and the ability to link to any IP address in the world. Really useful would be that a pdf document can have some embedded java code with library functions limited to be used for moving graphics and sounds and some user interaction only that are embedded in the document only. No accessing of drives or any external locations at all. This way a document can be created that has a picture with some movable parts. Wonderful for children books or technical documents.

Examples are :
Exploded view for technical documents come to mind. A moving graphical explanation of physics or mathematics. But heavily secured and for limited use.

Children books with limited graphics and sounds. Just enough to invoke imagination. But not enough as to think for them, limiting them.


Perhaps it will happen when e-books are more widespread.

 

[DaveSimmons]

MS refuses to let IE9 and 10 install on XP, so all the people out there with XP who've never even heard of Firefox will not have HTML5 support any time soon.

 

[velvetpants]

We're getting there. We just have to wait for the old farts still using XP and IE8 (or *chills* IE6) to upgrade or die off and then we can move on to superior technologies.

 

[Snapster]

Not so much matter refuse install but change the fundamentals so much it would have required pouring money into a dying O/S to develop it. Win7 has already overtaken XP and in another year XP will probably be below 20%.

Most of the stuff they could have ported easy with the exception of hardware rendering, which is one thing they were keen to champion.

Adobe Flash Player cannot die soon enough.

 

[Jodell88]

Another example is the pdf format. It is a Portable Document Format. Why does a pdf need the ability to execute code and the ability to link to any IP address in the world. Really useful would be that a pdf document can have some embedded java code with library functions limited to be used for moving graphics and sounds and some user interaction only that are embedded in the document only. No accessing of drives or any external locations at all. This way a document can be created that has a picture with some movable parts. Wonderful for children books or technical documents.

Examples are :
Exploded view for technical documents come to mind. A moving graphical explanation of physics or mathematics. But heavily secured and for limited use.

Children books with limited graphics and sounds. Just enough to invoke imagination. But not enough as to think for them, limiting them.


Perhaps it will happen when e-books are more widespread.

I watched a youtube video where a computer security guy was talking about the PDF standard. It had like over 35 million lines of code in it (at the time) I'm sure it's more now. D:

 

[Absolution75]

Though seriously, maybe like 5 years after HTML 5 is mainstream? It will be "optional" at that point.

The only reason I have flash is to watch flash videos (mainly youtube). I had flash uninstalled for a couple weeks and I didn't even notice until I tried to watch something =/

 

[velvetpants]

Win7 has already overtaken XP and in another year XP will probably be below 20%.

You'd be surprised how many people still use XP.
I do PC repair and at least 2/3 of PCs I get have XP installed.

 

[homercles337]

That's were Apple was right. Flash sucks. They probably didn't implement because it would not have performed well.

But IMHO it will be years. There are too many people that use legacy browser and too many that use IE in general.

Apple was "right" long after many vocal web designers and information architects called for its destruction soon after it was released. So, yes, Apple was right to follow these people.

 

[douglasb]

Apple was "right" long after many vocal web designers and information architects called for its destruction soon after it was released. So, yes, Apple was right to follow these people.

You mean, Apple wasn't the first to come up with that thought?!?! GASP!!

 

[EagleKeeper]

Not so much matter refuse install but change the fundamentals so much it would have required pouring money into a dying O/S to develop it. Win7 has already overtaken XP and in another year XP will probably be below 20%.

Most of the stuff they could have ported easy with the exception of hardware rendering, which is one thing they were keen to champion.

Adobe Flash Player cannot die soon enough.

Expect XP do be around in many companies as long as they do not need to replace the H/W it is running on.

Win7 may be flashier, but it also requires newer hardware.

Laptops and desktops that are running XP can support the current Office package and there is not a killer app that requires Win7 for business use.

 

[wirednuts]

the flast updates this past year have been annoying as shit. i mange like 5 computers just on my own time for myself, plus anytime i touch anyones pc it wants a flash update and theyre always like "ohh tee hee i always cancel that because i dont know what it is hahahaha" and im like "yeah HAHAHA now i have to do it thats hilarious and so cute"

 

[Schadenfroh]

I would love for Adobe's software to die off. I especially hate Adobe Flex / Air / ActionScript. The languages seem to have so many shortcomings and almost seem primitive compared to alternatives that do the same thing. I think people just get wooed in by how easy it is to create a "cute" interface, then the devs working on the back-end are trapped.

 

[Cogman]

I would love for Adobe's software to die off. I especially hate Adobe Flex / Air / ActionScript. The languages seem to have so many shortcomings and almost seem primitive compared to alternatives that do the same thing. I think people just get wooed in by how easy it is to create a "cute" interface, then the devs working on the back-end are trapped.

Nah, Flash got in the same way javascript became the master web language. It was the first viable option that was implemented everywhere. There simply was no other way that you could provide animated interactive content to a webpage. This is pretty much the only reason it is so widely used.

That is ultimately the saddest part about the modern web. There are so few real choices for the interfaces. HTML5 is neat and all, however, it isn't everywhere (IE8 and below), and it isn't universal.

 

[PhatoseAlpha]

I'd love for us to have a fully featured, fully standard, capable web development language without a million different caveats.

I'd also like a trainload of supermodels to turn me into this personal sex deity. While astronomically unlikely,this is infinitely more likely then the former.


HTML5, like every other web standard before it, will lack vital capabilities, have cross browser compatibility nightmares, and since it's now a moving target, will happily break code that was working a week ago.

More to the point, since Apple is involved and they have a vested interest in keeping web apps from being able to upset the gravy train that is their app store, HTML5 will continue to lack in important features forever.


If you guys are seriously looking for a relief of the pain of web development, I recommend single malt scotch.

 

[ioni]

Win7 may be flashier, but it also requires newer hardware.

Many, many case studies have shown that no, it doesn't. It comes with new hw that you buy though.

Anyway, can HTML5 be used to make Flash level games? I think it would need that before it can be considered as a replacement to Flash.

 

[Markbnj]

Many, many case studies have shown that no, it doesn't. It comes with new hw that you buy though.

Anyway, can HTML5 be used to make Flash level games? I think it would need that before it can be considered as a replacement to Flash.

Yeah, Windows 7 was actually more efficient than Vista, so theoretically it would take less hardware resources to run.