When chicks do it, no big deal. But men??

[jackstar7]

16 yrs is a lot of time for what I gather from the article. How much time would you get for this in some of the more progressive European countries? It's also an odd thing for someone like you to say because then what's wrong with the incarceration of the poors and blacks then? You do petty shit repeatedly, then you do much more time is the message I'm getting in this thread.

This is contextualized from the topic title as an issue of men's oppression.

Is that how you also see it?

 

[Jhhnn]

Read up.

Provide examples. It's your contention & your obligation to back it up.

 

[Maxima1]

This is contextualized from the topic title as an issue of men's oppression.

Is that how you also see it?

No, I've never ever heard of a woman doing this. I'm just wondering why it didn't bother you considering your views on black people. Is it because you think this guy is an incel?

 

[Zorba]

Why does this bother you so much?

And will you please consider seeing a mental health professional about your issues with women? I insist.

Seriously? There is no way any women would be charged with making a guy pick up the tab on a date. This sounds like he is being prosecuted for being a bad date.

I'm very glad I don't have to deal with dating, and never as a real adult (outside of college). The assumption that guys should pay for everything always bothered me.

 

[Jhhnn]

This is contextualized from the topic title as an issue of men's oppression.

Is that how you also see it?

Yeh. I've been a straight white male since I could remember & never realized how oppressed & exploited I really have been until just recently. I always thought I had it made. How could I have been so blind?

 

[Zorba]

I've never heard of a woman who invited a guy to dinner, ordered the most expensive things on the menu and then snuck out leaving the guy with the bill and everyone involved thinking that it was a-ok.

Because it is assumed the guy will pick up the check, they don't have to skip. But I am sure women continue bad dates all the time, happily letting the guy pay for everything, then bail right after and never call them again. Has any women been charged for fraud, for leading a guy along, letting him pay, then never talking to them again?

Yeah, the guy is an ass, and maybe he should be charged with some type of con if he does this all the time. But it sounds like he is being charged because it was just assumed he should pick up the check.

I am sure the guy is a real ass, but 16 years and felonies seems quite severe.

 

[Jhhnn]

Seriously? There is no way any women would be charged with making a guy pick up the tab on a date. This sounds like he is being prosecuted for being a bad date.

I'm very glad I don't have to deal with dating, and never as a real adult (outside of college). The assumption that guys should pay for everything always bothered me.

Gawd. The guy exploited a social convention to perpetrate fraud.

 

[Jhhnn]

Because it is assumed the guy will pick up the check, they don't have to skip. But I am sure women continue bad dates all the time, happily letting the guy pay for everything, then bail right after and never call them again. Has any women been charged for fraud, for leading a guy along, letting him pay, then never talking to them again?

Yeah, the guy is an ass, and maybe he should be charged with some type of con if he does this all the time. But it sounds like he is being charged because it was just assumed he should pick up the check.

I am sure the guy is a real ass, but 16 years and felonies seems quite severe.

He hasn't even been tried, let alone sentenced. He'll probably cop to a little time in the end.

 

[Maxima1]

Because it is assumed the guy will pick up the check, they don't have to skip. But I am sure women continue bad dates all the time, happily letting the guy pay for everything, then bail right after and never call them again. Has any women been charged for fraud, for leading a guy along, letting him pay, then never talking to them again?

Going on a date doesn't mean a guarantee of more dates and sex. A sex craved idiot may shower a woman with food, gifts, etc., but how is that exactly analogous to what this guy was doing?

 

[jackstar7]

No, I've never ever heard of a woman doing this. I'm just wondering why it didn't bother you considering your views on black people. Is it because you think this guy is an incel?

You are jumping to lots of conclusions.

Why his potential sentence doesn't bother me is that I think this guy is an extreme outlier and hardly represents men as a whole and I think his behavior is in direct conflict with the social contract. He steals from various businesses and embarrasses people. I also don't imagine a jury or judge anywhere giving him that full sentence for these crimes, but these crimes and the number of them come with a potential for massive fines and time. That's on him for being a scoundrel.

But please tell me how this relates to black people as a whole.

 

[IronWing]

The thread title is giggity.

 

[Zorba]

Gawd. The guy exploited a social convention to perpetrate fraud.

Yeah, but so do women, which is what I think the OP's point was. They just don't have to skip to get it paid.

If a women leads on a guy, gets a free meal, then never talks to him again should she be charged as well?

I am not claiming men are oppressed, I just think they are charging him for being a bad date. Or if he really does this all the time, then a petty crime.

 

[Maxima1]

You are jumping to lots of conclusions.

Why his potential sentence doesn't bother me is that I think this guy is an extreme outlier and hardly represents men as a whole and I think his behavior is in direct conflict with the social contract. He steals from various businesses and embarrasses people. I also don't imagine a jury or judge anywhere giving him that full sentence for these crimes, but these crimes and the number of them come with a potential for massive fines and time. That's on him for being a scoundrel.

But please tell me how this relates to black people as a whole.

So you think punishment should rise if a crime is simply more uncommon? That's odd. I think you're just trying to weasel into this position as an attempt of reconciliation.

It relates to it whether you want to admit to it or not. If petty shit and repeated offenses gets you lots of time, then what's wrong with all the blacks in jail and prison now?

 

[Zorba]

Going on a date doesn't mean a guarantee of more dates and sex. A sex craved idiot may shower a woman with food, gifts, etc., but how is that exactly analogous to what this guy was doing?

I agree that a guy buying does not entitle him to anything more. But I am saying, there are women that go on dates for the specific propose of getting a free nice meal. So "dating in bad faith," which I don't see how it is any different.

Of course, if the women goes in expecting to have a good date and it just isn't, that is completely different.

 

[Maxima1]

Yeah, but so do women, which is what I think the OP's point was. They just don't have to skip to get it paid.

If a women leads on a guy, gets a free meal, then never talks to him again should she be charged as well?

I am not claiming men are oppressed, I just think they are charging him for being a bad date. Or if he really does this all the time, then a petty crime.

How would you even be able to prosecute on an allegation that a woman was leading someone on? This guy on the other hand had obvious intent in what he was doing.

 

[feralkid]

They're just trying to send a message that the poor damsels will be defended.. How dare an evil man expect a woman to pay for his dinner!

Lose the misguided misogyny...he did the "dine and dash" routine.

Are you saying that women whom you date have done this to you?

 

[Zorba]

How would you even be able to prosecute on an allegation that a woman was leading someone on? This guy on the other hand had obvious intent in what he was doing.

The intent was obvious only because of the double standard in the social expectations between sexes. Which is my point, he is being charged because it is obvious what he was doing. I personally knew multiple girls that did the same thing in college, and no one would ever say they should be charged. Even though both people are "dating in bad faith" (for lack of a better term).

Again, I am not talking about women owing a guy anything in exchange for a meal, but the social expectation is that there is a chance for continued dating/relationship in the future. If going into the date, one party knows that isn't the intent it is an equal amount of "fraud," regardless of which sex does it. IMHO.

 

[jackstar7]

So you think punishment should rise if a crime is simply more uncommon? That's odd. I think you're just trying to weasel into this position as an attempt of reconciliation.

It relates to it whether you want to admit to it or not. If petty shit and repeated offenses gets you lots of time, then what's wrong with all the blacks in jail and prison now?

What are you even doing here? This is an attack on me?

Yeah, I'm going to disengage.

 

[Maxima1]

The intent was obvious only because of the double standard in the social expectations between sexes.

Life isn't fair. XD

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Which is my point, he is being charged because it is obvious what he was doing.

Yes, but he also introduced a third party (i.e. the place wherever they decided to eat).

I personally knew multiple girls that did the same thing in college, and no one would ever say they should be charged. Even though both people are "dating in bad faith" (for lack of a better term).

Unless spelled out on twitter or whatever, how would you even pursue it? And how would you disprove some of the weaseling they could easily do?

The main problem with this guy is that his actions introduced another party. Between the man and woman, what is being paid for if someone agrees to pay fully? The only thing really guaranteed is some attention from the woman during the "date". No one owes anything afterwards. You're not guaranteed a certain chance, more dates, or sex.

What are you even doing here? This is an attack on me?

Yeah, I'm going to disengage.

Well, what were you doing in your first post in regards to the OP?

 

[woolfe9998]

10 YEARS of prison rape over a few dozen dollars? Dumbass should have been a banker and raked people for $millions. He would have gotten away with a fine that was a small percentage of his profit.

He likely won't get a 10 year sentence, but yes, the whole thing seems strange. There has to be something more here.

 

[woolfe9998]

Yeah, but so do women, which is what I think the OP's point was. They just don't have to skip to get it paid.

If a women leads on a guy, gets a free meal, then never talks to him again should she be charged as well?

I am not claiming men are oppressed, I just think they are charging him for being a bad date. Or if he really does this all the time, then a petty crime.

None of us knows if they guy promised to "buy you dinner" or not. If he did make such a promise, the analogy would be if the woman promised sex then blew him off after the meal, as opposed to it just being assumed or hoped for.

In any event, I'm near 100% certain that there is another crime here we're not being told about. You can't have extortion without some kind of threat being made. Also, the theft and fraud charges were dropped. It's unclear if he's even being prosecuted for the dine and dash thing at all, as opposed to some related offense that we're not aware of.

 

[Victorian Gray]

13 felony counts and 3 misdemeanor counts

"He now faces 11 felony counts of extortion, two felony counts of attempted extortion, two misdemeanor counts of defrauding an innkeeper by non-payment and one misdemeanor count of petty theft."

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/09/08/dine-and-dash-dater-charged-with-four-new-felony-counts/

a few more details about his scamming

https://heavy.com/news/2018/08/paul-guadalupe-gonzales/

 

[WelshBloke]

Jesus fucking Christ!
This isn't complicated. The guy ran out on restaurants without paying his bill.
Whether you think that he should have paid all of it or half is irrelevant. He ran without paying any of it.
Fuck him. He's a dick.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Chicks? These little guys are scamming men for free meals?

The horror. Can nothing be done?

 

[jackstar7]

Well, what were you doing in your first post in regards to the OP?

I'm asking why he repeatedly takes on the role of an oppressed male, when there's nothing to suggest he is oppressed anywhere other than in his mind.

Have you noted his history of posting on topics with a slant against women, as though men are a persecuted class on a societal level? I have and it makes me concerned for his ability to gauge actual oppression vs. imagined oppression.