When chicks do it, no big deal. But men??

Viper1j

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Oh hell yeah! they GOT go to jail! (Check the video)

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/07/us/california-dine-and-dash-additional-charges/index.html

California man who allegedly stuck dates with the check faces years in prison

Prosecutors in Los Angeles have hit the defendant they call the "Dine-and-Dash Dater" with four new felony counts of extortion.

Paul Guadalupe Gonzales, 45, is accused of 11 counts of extortion and two counts of attempted extortion for allegedly luring women to nice restaurants, ordering food and vanishing -- sticking his victims with the bill.
The public defender's office has not returned calls for comment.

"It was humiliating," said an alleged victim, who asked CNN in an exclusive phone interview to identify her only with the pseudonym Jane. "I was frustrated. It just left me in a bad place."
Jane said she wrote a check for $218 to Houston's restaurant in Pasadena after Gonzales walked out on the bill.

She recalled how they met on the dating site Bumble.

"We just chatted back and forth. He was charming," Jane continued. "He said, 'Why not meet somewhere?'"
Jane said Gonzales ordered drinks and the most expensive item on Houston's menu. The Houston's website lists its top item as a steak for $48.

Jane said Gonzales told her when he first sat down for dinner he would have to make a phone call later to check on his aunt, who was hospitalized.

After the meal, Gonzales made his call and disappeared, she recalled.

"He left after most of his food was gone," she said. "I've never seen anybody eat so fast."
It didn't occur to her that someone would walk out on her.

"That just never came to mind," Jane said. "What is he benefiting from it, really? Is that all you want, is a free meal?"

'A lot of scammers out there'
Gonzales is accused of repeating his alleged dine-and-dash crimes throughout the Los Angeles area, from Pasadena to Burbank to Long Beach. Carol Meredith got left with the bill at Mercado in Pasadena, but managers picked up her tab.

Meredith also met Gonzales on Bumble.

"I've had friends who've been very successful with online dating, I've had some not so good experiences," Meredith told CNN. "I just kind of feel like maybe online dating might not be for me. I mean there are a lot of scammers out there."

Psychologist Lisa Strohman, who specializes in treating patients suffering from social media and technology-related problems, says the internet allows dating predators to cast a wide net. The explosion of dating sites "puts it on overdrive," Strohman explains. "Predators can use technology now to manipulate, groom, lure and get people where they want them without any risk to themselves."

The alleged victims we spoke with in the Gonzales case said the online Romeo said the right things, including talking about the importance of family. "I'm walking to have dinner with my mom," a text allegedly from Gonzales read on Meredith's phone. "I feel like any man who loves his mother is probably going to love me in the right way," Meredith said.

Dye and dash

Prosecutors said the spree occurred from May 2016 through April. "In short, the defendant's wrongful conduct induced innocent third parties to pay for his meal, using the implied threat of public humiliation or being viewed as an accomplice," a criminal complaint says.

But Gonzales isn't only accused of crimes of the heart linked to all the purported serial dine and dashing. He also is a suspected "dye and dasher." Burbank authorities and two hair salons told CNN that Gonzales got his hair colored and skipped out on the bills -- in one instance still wearing a towel around his neck.

LA County authorities are also charging Gonzales, who is currently jailed, with petty theft for another alleged dye and dash incident. The suspect is scheduled to be in court Tuesday for a preliminary hearing, the district attorney said. His bail was set at $315,000.

Meredith expects to testify about her ordeal with courtship that started with a swipe right and took a left turn during the date. "You just have to be careful out there," Meredith said. "You can't judge a book by its cover."
If convicted, Gonzales faces a possible maximum penalty of 16 years and 10 months in county prison, according to authorities.
 

Sunburn74

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Yes, when I read this story I thought it was crazy. I don't really see the crime or have a hard time understanding it anyway...
Here's my point of view. Certainly if the restaurants demanded a bill and the ladies involved said "hey the guy left, is obviously a scammer here for free food and he is only responsible for his food. I'm only paying my part of the bill" then the restaurants certainly can report a crime for an unpaid bill. That I understand. That is theft.

What I don't understand is the women paid the bill entirely and then report a crime? What crime? He didn't make them pay his food bill, nor did he trick them into paying or take the cash out of their bank accounts by force. At best this is like a small claims court sort of thing because once the bill has been paid by the women because they are now simply seeking restitution of their money spent. There is no other harm that has come from that. It's no similar to trying to get money back for unpaid rent, or trying to get money back after loaning a small sum to a friend, or trying to get money back for fixing your car after someone scratches it or something: people don't go to jail for these sorts of things.
 
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Viper1j

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Bail doesn't go away until next year.

But if they let him out, he would keep getting the meals.

I was meeting this chick for a "meet and greet", supposed to have drinks only. Next thing I know, this bitch is ordering a 50.00 dinner!


My friend told I should have told her "You know that dinner comes with a side order of dick, right?"

Anyway, whatever happened to "equality"? And "independent women, making their own way and paying their own way"? I find it interesting, that they're trying to stick him for the full amount of both meals. As if he was supposed to pay for per meal, but God forbid the poor helpless female goes to dig in her purse for anything.

I guess some people are just more "equal" than others.
 
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woolfe9998

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Yes, when I read this story I thought it was crazy. I don't really see the crime or have a hard time understanding it anyway...
Here's my point of view. Certainly if the restaurants demanded a bill and the ladies involved said "hey the guy left, is obviously a scammer here for free food and he is only responsible for his food. I'm only paying my part of the bill" then the restaurants certainly can report a crime for an unpaid bill. That I understand. That is theft.

What I don't understand is the women paid the bill entirely and then report a crime? What crime? He didn't make them pay his food bill, nor did he trick them into paying or take the cash out of their bank accounts by force. At best this is like a small claims court sort of thing because once the bill has been paid by the women because they are now simply seeking restitution of their money spent. There is no other harm that has come from that. It's no similar to say someone not paying rent or trying to get money back for fixing your car after someone scratches it or something: people don't go to jail for these sorts of things.

You're right to be confused. It says they charged him with "extortion" for this but that doesn't fit the facts at all. Extortion means using force or threats of force to extract money from people. Like a mob protection racket. Doesn't fit. Possible the article got something wrong.

https://www.shouselaw.com/extortion.html

Something like fraud, which in the general case is a species of larceny, might fit the facts better.

https://codes.findlaw.com/ca/penal-code/pen-sect-484.html

Charging as "felonies" makes no sense, however, because the dollar amount is too low. I strongly suspect there is something else going on here which isn't reported in the article.

This guy sounds like a small time grifter to me. He's probably done scads of petty stuff like this.
 
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Sunburn74

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Even fraud is weird in this case. Fraud implies that he somehow deceived them into thinking he was going to pay when there was no said agreement. I've been on dates where the lady was shocked I even mildly implied that she should pay and brought absolutely no money for it either.
 

woolfe9998

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Even fraud is weird in this case. Fraud implies that he somehow deceived them into thinking he was going to pay when there was no said agreement. I've been on dates where the lady was shocked I even mildly implied that she should pay and brought absolutely no money for it either.

Yes, I'm assuming that there was such an agreement, that he said he'd buy them dinner. The article doesn't really say. Still, I could see it maybe being fraud even if nothing was said beforehand because when he skipped out he made them pay not only for their own food but also his. The law may assume that in the absence of any agreement one way or the other, each party can reasonably be assumed to at least pay for his or her own meal.

Still, none of this amounts to any felony or "extortion." You don't get years in prison for this sort of thing. Ever. Either the article is wrong about the legal penalties he is facing, or more likely, it's missing some facts.
 

soundforbjt

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He's also accused of getting his hair colored at salons and skipping out on the bill.
 

woolfe9998

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A little more detail here:

https://heavy.com/news/2018/08/paul-guadalupe-gonzales/

He WAS initially charged with misdemeanor fraud and felony theft, which is exactly what I suggested. However, they later added multiple counts of felony extortion.

How is someone facing 10 years in prison for a "dine and dash" con? It doesn't make any sense, and none of the articles I've found are offering any clarification.
 
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soundforbjt

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A little more detail here:

https://heavy.com/news/2018/08/paul-guadalupe-gonzales/

He WAS initially charged with misdemeanor fraud and felony theft, which is exactly what I suggested. However, they later added multiple counts of felony extortion.

How is someone facing 10 years in prison for a "dine and dash" con? It doesn't make any sense, and none of the articles I've found are offering any clarification.
I can't remember where I saw it so I can't link it, but somewhere I read he threatened to bash some of the women on social media.
 

woolfe9998

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I can't remember where I saw it so I can't link it, but somewhere I read he threatened to bash some of the women on social media.

Maybe he threatened them when they went to the police, or after they threatened to go to the police. I could see one or more these women contacting him online afterwards and maybe that's when it happened. That could explain why the extortion counts were added after the initial complaint which had only theft and fraud. So the serious crimes here could have happened after the "dine and dash" con.
 

Viper1j

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You're right to be confused. It says they charged him with "extortion" for this but that doesn't fit the facts at all. Extortion means using force or threats of force to extract money from people. Like a mob protection racket. Doesn't fit. Possible the article got something wrong.

https://www.shouselaw.com/extortion.html

Something like fraud, which in the general case is a species of larceny, might fit the facts better.

https://codes.findlaw.com/ca/penal-code/pen-sect-484.html

Charging as "felonies" makes no sense, however, because the dollar amount is too low. I strongly suspect there is something else going on here which isn't reported in the article.

This guy sounds like a small time grifter to me. He's probably done scads of petty stuff like this.

They're just trying to send a message that the poor damsels will be defended.. How dare an evil man expect a woman to pay for his dinner!
 

WelshBloke

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Guys an arsehole, I have no sympathy at all for him.

If you want to go dutch on a date just say beforehand. Then you can either agree and split the bill or don't go on the date.
 

Jhhnn

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When chicks do what, exactly? Invite men out to dinner & dash on the bill?

When did that happen?

It doesn't.
 

Pipeline 1010

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How is someone facing 10 years in prison for a "dine and dash" con? It doesn't make any sense, and none of the articles I've found are offering any clarification.

10 YEARS of prison rape over a few dozen dollars? Dumbass should have been a banker and raked people for $millions. He would have gotten away with a fine that was a small percentage of his profit.
 

ElFenix

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inaccurate title, 1 guy getting prosecuted isn't a trend, and isn't "men"
 

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Do people not go Dutch when meeting internet dates? Maybe it's just me but if it's a first date I like to put it out there that we're handling our own checks, makes most women feel more comfortable because some men feel entitled to after's if the bill is taken care of.
 
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jackstar7

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If convicted, Gonzales faces a possible maximum penalty of 16 years and 10 months in county prison, according to authorities.
Why does this bother you so much?

And will you please consider seeing a mental health professional about your issues with women? I insist.
 
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VRAMdemon

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The guys seems to be a petty criminal. A run of the mill con man who has demonstrated repeated behavior. No sympathy found
 
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Josephus312

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Read up where? incels.me?

I've never heard of a woman who invited a guy to dinner, ordered the most expensive things on the menu and then snuck out leaving the guy with the bill and everyone involved thinking that it was a-ok.

I'm sure a lot of incels on the various forums have told many such stories about "women they met" along with their various justifications why rape is fine (which you seem to agree with) but it's not true without at least a police report to show it to be true.
 
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Maxima1

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Why does this bother you so much?

16 yrs is a lot of time for what I gather from the article. How much time would you get for this in some of the more progressive European countries? It's also an odd thing for someone like you to say because then what's wrong with the incarceration of the poors and blacks then? You do petty shit repeatedly, then you do much more time is the message I'm getting in this thread.
 
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