When choosing between the E6600 and the E6700

[iiii Link iiii]

Hey there guys ... this is my first post so be nice. lol
Ok the reason i signed up was because i wanted to ask a few questions to you experts out there. Ok so here goes. Like everyone else, I'm in love wth what I've heard about the Intel Conroe (or Core 2 Duo if you will) CPU's. And I know that most of you are saying that E6600 is a better buy then E6700. But some of you have mentioned that the E6700 has something called X10 multiplyer whereas the E6600 only has a X9. Can anyone explain this more clearly as I have no idea what a multiplyer is? Thanks

PS: expect alot more questions from me and hey to everyone

 

[RichUK]

Are you looking to overclock your processor?

 

[iiii Link iiii]

Well that was going to be one of my other questions. I know abit about overclocking and that it speeds up your processors (right?) but im not entirely sure how safe it is... from what i here it can go seriously wrong and backfire. And how exactly do you go about doing it? (and how many of you guys will over clock yours?)

 

[Stumps]

Originally posted by: iiii Link iiii
Well that was going to be one of my other questions. I know abit about overclocking and that it speeds up your processors (right?) but im not entirely sure how safe it is... from what i here it can go seriously wrong and backfire. And how exactly do you go about doing it? (and how many of you guys will over clock yours?)

you aren't that annoying fukwit LINK19 by any chance?

 

[iiii Link iiii]

Originally posted by: Stumps

Originally posted by: iiii Link iiii
Well that was going to be one of my other questions. I know abit about overclocking and that it speeds up your processors (right?) but im not entirely sure how safe it is... from what i here it can go seriously wrong and backfire. And how exactly do you go about doing it? (and how many of you guys will over clock yours?)

you aren't that annoying fukwit LINK19 by any chance?

.. No im not. This is the first time Ive been on these forums. Do i sound like that other Link guy :S

 

[Mavrick007]

There's going to be a rather significant price difference between the E6600 and the E6700 but they are basically the same with 4megs of cache (2 x 2megs) except one is clocked at 2.4Ghz and 2.66Ghz stock respectively.

Now the multiplyers come into play when overclocking. If you have a higher multiplyer, you can overclock with so it MAY give you more room to get a better/higher overclock.

I believe it's quite neglegible here (you may get a higher overclock out of the E6700 but it's not guaranteed and if you do, how much?) for the cost of the next step up. If you want to overclock higher with a E6600, try a better heatsink than stock which will cost alot less than the next jump up in cpu speed.

The only caveat is the Extreme version, the E6800, which is supposedly multiplyer unlocked, but costs much more (more than 3x the cost of the E6600), and in most cases only overclocks a bit more than the rest of the Core 2 Duo chips so it's just not worth it in my eye either.

 

[RichUK]

Mavrick007: Conroe uses a unified L2 cache design, meaning that, it would be just 1 x 4MB L2 cache. Or 1 x 2MB L2 cache for the lower end models.

 

[iiii Link iiii]

Originally posted by: Mavrick007
There's going to be a rather significant price difference between the E6600 and the E6700 but they are basically the same with 4megs of cache (2 x 2megs) except one is clocked at 2.4Ghz and 2.66Ghz stock respectively.

Now the multiplyers come into play when overclocking. If you have a higher multiplyer, you can overclock with so it MAY give you more room to get a better/higher overclock.

I believe it's quite neglegible here (you may get a higher overclock out of the E6700 but it's not guaranteed and if you do, how much?) for the cost of the next step up. If you want to overclock higher with a E6600, try a better heatsink than stock which will cost alot less than the next jump up in cpu speed.

The only caveat is the Extreme version, the E6800, which is supposedly multiplyer unlocked, but costs much more (more than 3x the cost of the E6600), and in most cases only overclocks a bit more than the rest of the Core 2 Duo chips so it's just not worth it in my eye either.

Thanks alot man. So the only differnce between E6700 and E6600 is one is 0.26ghz more.... that doesnt sound like much. And how much can you (SAFELY!) over clock the E6600 to?

 

[RichUK]

Originally posted by: iiii Link iiii

Originally posted by: Mavrick007
There's going to be a rather significant price difference between the E6600 and the E6700 but they are basically the same with 4megs of cache (2 x 2megs) except one is clocked at 2.4Ghz and 2.66Ghz stock respectively.

Now the multiplyers come into play when overclocking. If you have a higher multiplyer, you can overclock with so it MAY give you more room to get a better/higher overclock.

I believe it's quite neglegible here (you may get a higher overclock out of the E6700 but it's not guaranteed and if you do, how much?) for the cost of the next step up. If you want to overclock higher with a E6600, try a better heatsink than stock which will cost alot less than the next jump up in cpu speed.

The only caveat is the Extreme version, the E6800, which is supposedly multiplyer unlocked, but costs much more (more than 3x the cost of the E6600), and in most cases only overclocks a bit more than the rest of the Core 2 Duo chips so it's just not worth it in my eye either.

Thanks alot man. So the only differnce between E6700 and E6600 is one is 0.26ghz more.... that doesnt sound like much. And how much can you (SAFELY!) over clock the E6600 to?

As far as the chip will let you, under safe voltage and heat of course. It also depends on the motherboards FSB limitation.

These days the only way you are going to damage a chip is if you run too high of a voltage through the processor, for a prolonged period of time. Or if you install the heatsink upside down

 

[iiii Link iiii]

Originally posted by: RichUK

Originally posted by: iiii Link iiii

Originally posted by: Mavrick007
There's going to be a rather significant price difference between the E6600 and the E6700 but they are basically the same with 4megs of cache (2 x 2megs) except one is clocked at 2.4Ghz and 2.66Ghz stock respectively.

Now the multiplyers come into play when overclocking. If you have a higher multiplyer, you can overclock with so it MAY give you more room to get a better/higher overclock.

I believe it's quite neglegible here (you may get a higher overclock out of the E6700 but it's not guaranteed and if you do, how much?) for the cost of the next step up. If you want to overclock higher with a E6600, try a better heatsink than stock which will cost alot less than the next jump up in cpu speed.

The only caveat is the Extreme version, the E6800, which is supposedly multiplyer unlocked, but costs much more (more than 3x the cost of the E6600), and in most cases only overclocks a bit more than the rest of the Core 2 Duo chips so it's just not worth it in my eye either.

Thanks alot man. So the only differnce between E6700 and E6600 is one is 0.26ghz more.... that doesnt sound like much. And how much can you (SAFELY!) over clock the E6600 to?

As far as the chip will let you, under safe voltage and heat of course. It also depends on the motherboards FSB limitation.

These days the only way you are going to damage a chip is if you run too high of a voltage through the processor, for a prolonged period of time. Or if you install the heatsink upside down

lol
So if the E6600 is at 2.4ghz defualt... are we looking at about 2.8 over clocked safely?

 

[imported_Husky55]

iiii Link iiii,

You might want to read and search this forum a little more about OC and Conroe and X2. At the top of this forum is an article on OC by Zebo. In the motherboard forum RickUK also posted a tutorial on OC AMD CPU. Frankly, I cannot imagine anyone trying to OC without reading them.

There are numerous reports about Conroe and AMD X2 comparing performance vs price otherwise known as C/P (cost performance ratio). The one I recall immediately is Anatech recent article on the same subject posted on the front page of this site.

There are other issues involved such as what memory to get, is low latency worth the price and so on and so for.

If you intend to build your own system there are a lot of considerations and in that case, either you are a novice or not, the Anadtech buying guides are really good starting points.

 

[Just4Ever]

Ok, the way that a processor's speed is determined is by the Front Side Bus (FSB) multiplied by the Multiplier (obviously). For example, the Conroe E6600 has a FSB of 266 MHz with a 9x multiplier. So do the math and you get a final speed of 2400 MHz or 2.4 GHz. The E6700 has a FSB of 266 MHz as well but it has a multiplier of 10x. Once again do the math and you will come out with a final value of 2660 MHz or 2.6 GHz (with rounding). The reason that having a higher multiplier is favorable is because a multiplier is almost always locked at that number, or it may sometimes go lower. This means that, all else being equal, a higher multiplier will give you a faster CPU. When you overclock a processor what you basically do is raise the FSB to a higher number and, in turn, raise the speed of the processor. I hope this helps explain a little bit about how a processor works. Welcome to the forums.

 

[Stumps]

Originally posted by: iiii Link iiii

Originally posted by: Stumps

Originally posted by: iiii Link iiii
Well that was going to be one of my other questions. I know abit about overclocking and that it speeds up your processors (right?) but im not entirely sure how safe it is... from what i here it can go seriously wrong and backfire. And how exactly do you go about doing it? (and how many of you guys will over clock yours?)

you aren't that annoying fukwit LINK19 by any chance?

.. No im not. This is the first time Ive been on these forums. Do i sound like that other Link guy :S

no not really...just the odd user name and avatar, it's similar to his,,,but at least you aren't crying about how crap win98 was...so you're off to a good start...so far

 

[iiii Link iiii]

Originally posted by: Stumps

Originally posted by: iiii Link iiii

Originally posted by: Stumps

Originally posted by: iiii Link iiii
Well that was going to be one of my other questions. I know abit about overclocking and that it speeds up your processors (right?) but im not entirely sure how safe it is... from what i here it can go seriously wrong and backfire. And how exactly do you go about doing it? (and how many of you guys will over clock yours?)

you aren't that annoying fukwit LINK19 by any chance?

.. No im not. This is the first time Ive been on these forums. Do i sound like that other Link guy :S

no not really...just the odd user name and avatar, it's similar to his,,,but at least you aren't crying about how crap win98 was...so you're off to a good start...so far

lol great. For a second i thought you were oing to start flaming me!

So anyway, how much can the e6600 be clockde to safely (in ghz)

 

[Just4Ever]

Supposedly you can overclock an E6600 all the way up to 4 GHz on air! However, more likely than not a good overclocker will reach somewhere in the area of 3.6 GHz which is a 400 FSB with a 9X multiplier. That's a 50% increase in the FSB!!! If you are new to overclocking, like myself, we can probably expect to achieve slightly less than that unless you really start reading up on the finer points of overclocking.

 

[imported_Husky55]

Originally posted by: Just4Ever
Supposedly you can overclock an E6600 all the way up to 4 GHz on air! However, more likely than not a good overclocker will reach somewhere in the area of 3.6 GHz which is a 400 FSB with a 9X multiplier. That's a 50% increase in the FSB!!! If you are new to overclocking, like myself, we can probably expect to achieve slightly less than that unless you really start reading up on the finer points of overclocking.

Be sure to get a really good HSF. I would recommend the Scythe Ninja, but it is huge.

 

[Stumps]

Originally posted by: iiii Link iiii

Originally posted by: Stumps

Originally posted by: iiii Link iiii

Originally posted by: Stumps

Originally posted by: iiii Link iiii
Well that was going to be one of my other questions. I know abit about overclocking and that it speeds up your processors (right?) but im not entirely sure how safe it is... from what i here it can go seriously wrong and backfire. And how exactly do you go about doing it? (and how many of you guys will over clock yours?)

you aren't that annoying fukwit LINK19 by any chance?

.. No im not. This is the first time Ive been on these forums. Do i sound like that other Link guy :S

no not really...just the odd user name and avatar, it's similar to his,,,but at least you aren't crying about how crap win98 was...so you're off to a good start...so far

lol great. For a second i thought you were oing to start flaming me!

So anyway, how much can the e6600 be clockde to safely (in ghz)

I couldn't tell you, I haven't had any real interest in the conroe based CPU's....yet

 

[Mavrick007]

Originally posted by: RichUK
Mavrick007: Conroe uses a unified L2 cache design, meaning that, it would be just 1 x 4MB L2 cache. Or 1 x 2MB L2 cache for the lower end models.

Ok, so it's not similar to the AMD X2's then where they have 2 x 512k and 2 x 1meg cache for their dual cores, good to know.