When consoles are so cheap, why do people still buy expensive graphic cards?

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Zebo

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Originally posted by: SOSTrooper
They do have demos for console games, usually comes w/ magazines or $8 a pop called "jampack (PS2 anyway)"

How do you "demo" a console game?
 

Nefrodite

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like another person said, its best not to limit yourself. its not a friggin religion. unless your loaded, buying the newest geforce for ~400 dollars+whatever upgrades or whatever is not kewl. just get a console, and buy pc hardware when the prices become reasonable.

pc games are more customizable, addons etc, build your own levels.

consoles suck at that, but xbox is atleast beginning to explore that capability cuz of its hd. many games are totally not optimized for the fastest pc hardware at release which blows. only some cutting edge engines like id/epic etc do. the rest of the time u get to play games that look like everquest.. ick. just look at an early xbox game, dead or alive 3, its simply beautiful pc games are generally way behind the hardware curve and they gotta. one must support those emachines to survive

 

SOSTrooper

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I think a lot of you are interpreting this the wrong direction. You can list a great deal of pros and cons of console and upgrading PC to play games. But at the end, you'll probably get a pretty 'balanced' list of both choices. There is no right or wrong in buying either (or to those lucky ppl, both). People buy what they feel would worth their own money. You may think people are 'stupid' because they're not buying something that YOU think is better because it is more worth it to you. But it's not your money on the line, they buy whatever they want. I'll give an example: I was planning to buy an upper class sedan to replace my current vechicle. Was picking between the Audi A4, Volvo S60, or the Infiniti G35. I had my eyes on the G35 because I like the package. However, my friend didnt think so. He kept saying the G35 is the wrong choice and I should go for the Acura TL. Now being the Acura owner/fan that he is, in his opinion he is right. But It is my money here, I get to pick something that I like to have. I believe I did made my point very clear.
 

HamSupLo

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I can see where Gomce is coming from. He's not comparing the functionality of the console to the PC, he's just looking at the two from a purely gaming standpoint.

IMO the graphics on the consoles look better than the PCs. If you want that visual quality, you have to upgrade the GF2 to the GF3, then to the GF4, spending about $200-300 for each step. With the console, you only need to pay the initial $200 have a platform that'll be around for 2-3 years without the need for incremental hardware upgrades.

Personally, I like PC games better because of the games complexity. There are specific genres that don't do well on the consoles.
 

PsychoAndy

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Originally posted by: Jerboy
Originally posted by: PsychoAndy
you fail to understand something: we pay say, $500 for a new vid card

we can play games, and do all sorts of video stuff IN addition to wonderful stuff like word processing

That's a sorry excuse for paying an arm and a long for "ultimate drooling gaming machine". Gamers say multi-purpose as an excuse for building powerful PC's. Most people don't do CAD or video editing requiring tremendous amount of processor power, they continue spending on things like Athlon XP 2200, GeForce 4 TI 4600(or whatever), 1GB of DDR2700(or whatever they're up to) and all they ever do is surf, type, nef and GAMEZ. I think it is redundant. Computers are multi-purpose processing devices and they're usually not excelling at specific task such as game processing. Consoles are optimzed for such and requires less power to get the same result.

The cost of drooling gaming computer system easily far exceeds the cost of buying a console and a Celeron computer.

I wouldn't be surprised if GF4 itself used enough energy to keep my room lit up well. It takes 85W to keep my room lit up, I mean VERY brightly, like a classroom.

My computer uses 90W and it is what you'd call "low end" p3 machine. (look in my rigs page). A ultimate nerd-drooling gaming machine probably takes 200-300W(Dual XP2200+, Tyan Tiger MP, two 15KRPM SCSI in RAID 0, GeForce 4 Ti4600 and 1GB DDR2700)
Arm and a leg? Hardly. I think this question is pretty base. It's like comparing a Civic to a Corvette. The Civic can do things fine, but the Corvette can do them faster and better. The gaming computer industry is like car mods, the more money you throw in, the better your computer/car becomes. If you want to be anal and save power, by all means do so, put your monitor on powersave, shut down your computer at night, etc. Just like if you'd want to save gas, you'd go easy on the accelerator and buy an econobox.
*sigh* I hate these kinds of questions. Very subjective, just like the import/ricer discussions. =\
 

paulee

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the massively multiplayer gaming market is almost 100% PC, that itself is reason enough for me.

2ndly, PC's are multifunctional.. ie browse the internet, post on anandtech

3rd.. though it's not legal, a large portion of these drool machine kiddies dl their games for free.. and other programs, media.. that's where the cost saving kicks in.

me.. i'm all about upgrading for cheap.. so for less than the cost of an xbox, my p3 ati xpert128 became a aMD 1700+ geforce3ti200

 

Jerboy

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Arm and a leg? Hardly. I think this question is pretty base. It's like comparing a Civic to a Corvette.

Yeah you have a semi-point there

The Civic can do things fine, but the Corvette can do them faster and better.
Not true. Comparing on racetrack is like comparing benchmarks. For everyday practical use, Corvette does not do things "better and faster" than Civic nor does a dual XP2200+ significantly smokes Celeron 1000 other than gaming.

The gaming computer industry is like car mods, the more money you throw in, the better your computer/car becomes.

To a point and that point is before GF4. Once you hit there, the law of deminished returns cathes up rapidly.



Once If you want to be anal and save power,

Increased power consumption is just one of many adverse effects.



 

tcsenter

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Now, like you guys were saying earlier, I agree that those who spend $400 every 3 months on a new card are idiots. But in general, you could say that the PC's graphics cards are a better value graphics-wise than a PS2 or X-Box.
Don't you think that 'idiots' is a bit too strong here? If a person buy things they cannot afford just to say they have it, or is neglecting other important things like savings just to have it, then yes they're an idiot. But if a person can afford it, then what business of it is your's how they spend their money. I mean, its their money they're spending, not yours.

Some people spend thousands of dollars on these little ornate hand-painted eggs. I can't see what the attraction is, but I suppose they do and that's all that matters.
 

Koing

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Originally posted by: tcsenter
Now, like you guys were saying earlier, I agree that those who spend $400 every 3 months on a new card are idiots. But in general, you could say that the PC's graphics cards are a better value graphics-wise than a PS2 or X-Box.
Don't you think that 'idiots' is a bit too strong here? If a person buy things they cannot afford just to say they have it, or is neglecting other important things like savings just to have it, then yes they're an idiot. But if a person can afford it, then what business of it is your's how they spend their money. I mean, its their money they're spending, not yours.

Some people spend thousands of dollars on these little ornate hand-painted eggs. I can't see what the attraction is, but I suppose they do and that's all that matters.

ditto.

I have 3 MD walkmans. Each one smaller then the other one. The first was pretty small at the time, then came out another smaller one 1year later and with a better remote and battery life. I saved up and bought it. Year later another good one comes out. Smaller still and 80hr playback time and better remote. I save up and buy it. I now am thinking about getting a MS player as I want fast album transfers but the playback time of 10yrs is bothering me. I spend quite a lot of time out and about and listen to music so I can justify the price. But with pc gaming I don't do any so I haven't upgraded in ages. I only got my newer gfx as my old GF1 died on me.

I only upgrade when the price is low and the performance gain is big enough.

P133 to P3 500 to P3 650 OC 780
and I have a laptop. P3M 850
 

js1973

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I like consoles for multiplayer sports games or any other quick fix game. I like PC's for online gaming and everything else. I have a GF3 in my computer, and I'm not going to upgrade for a while yet.
 

BD2003

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A few quick reasons

1. Better Graphics
2. PCs do more than play games
3. Is like comparing apples and oranges in some ways.
4. Apparently unlike you, other people can afford it, so why not?
5. Warcraft III and UT2003
6. You can sell your old card to buy a new one
7. Can upgrade older games

And I dont want to hear this new cards arent being utilized BS. I push my GF4 to the max with FSAA and AF at high res. Was a huge image quality upgrade over the GF3.
 

Nefrodite

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Originally posted by: BD2003
A few quick reasons

1. Better Graphics

not most of the time. just look how many pc games have basically cr@p for graphics. how many really harness the power of the latest videocards cpus?

2. PCs do more than play games

ofcourse. they cost several times more for a reason.

3. Is like comparing apples and oranges in some ways.


pretty much, although its getting blurrier now.


4. Apparently unlike you, other people can afford it, so why not?

or they play the sims


5. Warcraft III and UT2003

i'm going to have to shell for an upgrade for those games grumble. i think i'm going to wait for doom 3 to come out b4 i really bother though.



6. You can sell your old card to buy a new one

thats if you stick to a 6 month cycle so your cards worth doesn't drop all that much. and then your still shelling out quite a bit.


. Can upgrade older games


perhaps, but i'd rather not play my old games most of the time.





2. Playing at 1600x1200x32x4 FSAA I think is plain fetish, and you belong to the people (like me) that simply want to see where the virtual graphics have progressed and you don't really get into the game, (no hardcore game requires fetish gameplay, he simply love the game itself)


hehe, u definetly gotta buy the fastest card to pull that off for warcraft 3 and unreal 2 i think and well for doom 3, your totally out of luck.




And I dont want to hear this new cards arent being utilized BS. I push my GF4 to the max with FSAA and AF at high res. Was a huge image quality upgrade over the GF3.

using filtering isn't really using a cards features to the max you know most games don't use all the shader etc features of the gpu. just look at how nice xbox games look


 

Electric Amish

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I guess because some people are smarter than you.

Can I run Office on a console?

Can I program on a console?

Can I play RTS's on a console?

Can I LAN game on a console?

Can I download pr0n off the 'net on a console?

Can I IM on a console?

Can I upgrade a console?

Can I print from a console?

amish
 

randomlinh

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why are ppl brining up what you can do w/ a PC vs a console? I don't think that's the question here. we're all very capable of knowing what each does. The question is, why blow $500 on a vid card instead of getting a console for your gaming purposes?

Well, for me, i just tend to like fps type games... it's more catered to pc than console for me.. i don't see how you ppl play bond w/ that damn n64 controller.. so slow... That and i don't spend $500 on the latest and greatest.. i try to keep my vid card budget capped at $200. i'm still running on a geforce2 gts which i ended up getting for real cheap. I can also usually "test" a game before i buy it w/o having to deal w/ the lousy shmo's at blockbuster. I must add tho, i'm not that avid of a gamer anymore either.... but, when the xbox/ps2 were at $300.. that is also pretty high in price for gaming..


Linh
 

mchammer187

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not many people buy expensive video cards

GF4 Ti4200 , 4400, 4600 all contribute to a very slim minority in the market. Heck GF2 MX's i bet still have the majority

the point is the majority of the anandtech community are PC enthusiasts so the picture is already skewed

if you look at the entire market your view falls in line


how many people do i know apart from anandtech that have a GF4 Ti 4200 or better a big fat 0

quite a few are gamers also
 
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