When do you think DDR4 systems are going to become more mainstream?

tolis626

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So,as the question in the title says.RAM manufacturers are just starting to announce DDR4 chips.How long do you think it will take before every high-end PC will have DDR4 in it?My bet is DDR3 will survive at least until mid 2015.
 

ShintaiDK

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If we talk mainstream as in LGA1150 type. Then Micron and others expect late 2015. In other words, Skylake.
 

mikk

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I would assume around mid-2015 when Skylake starts, this will be the Mainstream start for DDR4. However DDR4 prices are surely higher initially than DDR3 till 2016 at least.
 

OCGuy

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DDR4 won't be worth buying until the clock speeds mature. Until then, they will not only have the "New" tax from the manufacturers, but they will be on par or slower than DDR3 modules.

Although if you are buying an Octo-core Haswell-E, you want the DDR4 e-peen and you don't really care what it costs
 

tolis626

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If we talk mainstream as in LGA1150 type. Then Micron and others expect late 2015. In other words, Skylake.

Yep,that's what I mean mainstream.

So you guys agree with me on the "at least H1 2015" lifespan of DDR3 for the almost-enthusiast (Meaning the people who are totally into computers but can't spend a crapload of money every year for 2% performance gains).I see...

Also,the argument about the first DDR4 modules being on par or slower than DDR3,is it a fact or based on past similar situations?I'd suspect quad-channel support would be the biggest improvement after current DDR3 setups...
 

OCGuy

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Also,the argument about the first DDR4 modules being on par or slower than DDR3,is it a fact or based on past similar situations?I'd suspect quad-channel support would be the biggest improvement after current DDR3 setups...

I'm not going to pretend I'm a RAM expert.....but that is information that I have read in more than one article, and it does make sense to me that the latency and clock speed improvements over time are big.

Edit: One source:

Since desktop workloads are far more sensitive to latency than bandwidth, DDR4 likely won’t offer much benefit here until clock speeds rise well above 2133MHz. That doesn’t make DDR4 a bad thing, most memory standards launch at rough parity with the product they replace, but it means users shouldn’t look to the new memory to provide an immediate performance boost over the old.

Overall, Haswell-E will be a significant step forward in total desktop performance and a moderate improvement on total platform capabilities. If you’re a high-end enthusiast whose been waiting for faster desktop hardware, it’ll scratch that particular itch — but you’ll have to wait another 15 months or so to test it.



http://www.extremetech.com/computin...-offer-ddr4-support-up-to-eight-cores-in-2014
 

GRAFiZ

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Depends on how you define "mainstream". Technically as DDR4 isn't available yet, anything would make it more "mainstream".

Or, are we talking before it's the "norm". If so, it'll be 4 or 5 years. Sure, OEM's will start shipping new PC's with DDR4 by what, 2015 probably... but, at the rate in which people upgrade their PC's these days, it's going to be years before the majority of typical home consumers have DDR4 in their computer.
 

piasabird

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It will come out on servers and workstation boards first. Probably DDR4 support is dependent on the next major chipset which Intel keeps holding up. i.e. RAM Controller is on the CPU. The EE line of $1k CPU's was rumored to have a DDR4 Controller, but I usually don't spend that much on the whole computer.

Some RAM developers probably already developed DDR4 RAM. But Intel is dragging its feet on the next CPU line. Maybe we should skip DDR4 and go to DDR5!
 

Fjodor2001

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Depends on how you define "mainstream". Technically as DDR4 isn't available yet, anything would make it more "mainstream".

Or, are we talking before it's the "norm". If so, it'll be 4 or 5 years. Sure, OEM's will start shipping new PC's with DDR4 by what, 2015 probably... but, at the rate in which people upgrade their PC's these days, it's going to be years before the majority of typical home consumers have DDR4 in their computer.

I guess it depends on whether you by "the norm" mean what people will be buying, or what they have in their computer.

When people upgrade they upgrade to the latest that's available. By 2015 that'll by Skylake and DDR4. Adding DDR3 RAM to existing PCs people don't do so much. So it won't be 4-5 years in terms of what people are buying, more like 1-2.

Also, check the graphs above.
 

Soulkeeper

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We're just waiting for cpus/motherboards that support it right now.
I'm hoping this year something will be available. Of course if only 10% of shipments are ddr4, people on these forums are likely to be the first to be counted

The major memory companies probably have large stockpiles of ddr4 right now, just waiting for the motherboards to launch.
 

ShintaiDK

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We're just waiting for cpus/motherboards that support it right now.
I'm hoping this year something will be available. Of course if only 10% of shipments are ddr4, people on these forums are likely to be the first to be counted

The major memory companies probably have large stockpiles of ddr4 right now, just waiting for the motherboards to launch.

Haswell-E will support DDR4 and only DDR4. So you get that in Q3. But DDR4 stays server/workstation class only until a good bit into 2015.
 

2is

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Around Skylake would be perfect for me. That's when I have my next major overhaul planned.
 

GRAFiZ

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I guess it depends on whether you by "the norm" mean what people will be buying, or what they have in their computer.

When people upgrade they upgrade to the latest that's available. By 2015 that'll by Skylake and DDR4. Adding DDR3 RAM to existing PCs people don't do so much. So it won't be 4-5 years in terms of what people are buying, more like 1-2.

Also, check the graphs above.

Oh sure... I agree. Like I said, OEM's will be shipping PC's by 2015 I'd bet. Which means a lot of people will buy or build new PC's with DDR4 by the end of this year or early next year. But it's still going to be years before it's mainstream... ie, in the majority of PC's.
 

Soulkeeper

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Haswell-E will support DDR4 and only DDR4. So you get that in Q3. But DDR4 stays server/workstation class only until a good bit into 2015.

yeah, i've read most the same news as all the other constant lurkers here :/

maybe we'll get a surprise, but I doubt it.
Personally i'm waiting for ddr4, soon as systems come out with it i'll upgrade.
 

tolis626

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yeah, i've read most the same news as all the other constant lurkers here :/

maybe we'll get a surprise, but I doubt it.
Personally i'm waiting for ddr4, soon as systems come out with it i'll upgrade.

Well,seeing as the general consensus puts initial availability of DDR4 modules for enthusiasts in late 2014,I'd suspect them being a worthy upgrade for top-of-the-line DDR3 modules will take a long time.So yeah,there isn't really any point in holding off one's PC purchase solely for DDR4.Just get a 2400MHz kit and you're good to go.Real improvements will show up as DDR4 matures and we see higher speeds and capacities.Give me 32GB or more of 3200MHz relatively low latency DDR4 memory in quad channel in like 2 years,without needing to sell a kidney and I'm sold.For now,I'm eyeing Kingston's HyperX line or Corsair's Vengeance and Dominator lines.We'll see...
 

CakeMonster

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Well,seeing as the general consensus puts initial availability of DDR4 modules for enthusiasts in late 2014,I'd suspect them being a worthy upgrade for top-of-the-line DDR3 modules will take a long time.So yeah,there isn't really any point in holding off one's PC purchase solely for DDR4.Just get a 2400MHz kit and you're good to go.

I disagree completely. If you're in the market for 2400MHz DDR3 then clearly price doesn't matter to you and you might as well jump on the DDR4 when it comes around. There's no value in going for anything more than 1600MHz DDR3 at the moment unless its equally or cheaper priced.
 

tolis626

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I disagree completely. If you're in the market for 2400MHz DDR3 then clearly price doesn't matter to you and you might as well jump on the DDR4 when it comes around. There's no value in going for anything more than 1600MHz DDR3 at the moment unless its equally or cheaper priced.

Ermmm...I just checked some local retailers and on average,for a 16GB kit,Kingston's HyperX Beast RAM for example (The one I want) has a 12€ difference between the 1600MHz and the 2400MHz kits and 2€ difference between the 2400MHz and 2133MHz kits.I don't need so fast memory,but I suppose I could lower the clocks and achive lower latencies.Just 10-15€ really isn't much.
 

BonzaiDuck

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Well, to those of us with less "need" and more "want" seeking "options," it looks like the old surfing metaphor applied to availability, CAPABILITY and prices.

You have to wait to catch the wave. And the wave arrives as the DDR4 technology matures . . .

Meanwhile, the other manufacturers will make your "surf" board obsolete, along with the next wave of CPUs.

Maybe it's more like a "Point Break." But even if you dressed up with a Ronald Reagan mask, robbed a bank and started looking for parts -- you'd only have so much to choose from! [Don't contact the FBI and Keanu Reeves -- I'm jus' kiddin'!! :biggrin: YUK YUK.]
 

Soulkeeper

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For no real reason I just browsed the fastest ddr3 selection on newegg ...

seems $500-$1200 is common for 16GB kits of the fast stuff ... insane
 

BonzaiDuck

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For no real reason I just browsed the fastest ddr3 selection on newegg ...

seems $500-$1200 is common for 16GB kits of the fast stuff ... insane

At first I thought you were crazy, but the fastest is DDR3-3100, and they indeed command a price not to much different than what you cite as a "range."

I hafta ask, though. Who's gonna do that?! Who?! The guy who was here a couple three weeks ago who said "Sky's the limit, I wanna hobby and I'm going to build a 4960X with 15 fans?"

I was just piling my scattered Maximum PC's for the year, and found their "2013 Dream Machine" issue. SIXTEEN . . . THOUSAND . . . DOLLARS?!!? In addition to two terabytes of paired SSDs, it includes four 4TB drives. Even if I were rich, I couldn't think of what to do with all that storage . . .
 
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