When does one cross the line when it comes to killing animals?

[Iron Woode]

Decades of scientific research says you're wrong.

They even have a "[url="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/05/100509144655.htm]mouse grimace pain scale[/url]". I thought you said "human" qualities don't exist with them?

How can you possibly say that's not feelings when if a dog eventually gets beaten up frequently, it will be traumatised to the point that it would be distrustful of humans? You have no bloody idea.

a better idea would be to just accept what someone posts and just let it go.

responding may not be the best plan.

 

[HenryC]

a better idea would be to just accept what someone posts and just let it go.

responding may not be the best plan.

I don't accept ignorance on that level. You would expect someone with internet access to know better than, say, someone living in the 1700s.

 

[SlitheryDee]

It's only bad if you have no good reason to kill the animal and/or enjoy causing the animal pain before you kill it. If you have a legitimate reason for killing an animal, but don't like causing pain, you'll naturally gravitate to the most efficient and painless (i.e. humane) way of killing it that you have available. I doubt that all your friend had on hand was water and a pot to boil it, so you can guess that this specific method of killing the animal served some more sadistic purpose for him. That's crossing the line.

 

[Iron Woode]

I don't accept ignorance on that level. You would expect someone with internet access to know better than, say, someone living in the 1700s.

I am not saying you have to agree with them.

I am just saying you don't have to reply to them.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Using sticky traps in general is a sicko move. If you want to kill them use something that's instant like a snap trap or electrocution trap.

I have occasional mice in my attic and I keep trying to figure out how they're getting in but there's nothing really obvious and since the problem is not that often it's harder to track. If I try one thing it takes a year before I know if it worked.

That said I just use snap traps which are monitored by my server. When it goes off it breaks the circuit and I get a notification. There's only been once instance where I caught one that was still alive, I just whacked it really hard against the floor, killing it instantly. TBH I kinda felt bad. it's one thing to go dispose of an animal that's already dead but to physically kill it myself, I felt bad after.

Sometimes I'm even thinking I should just switch to live capture traps then drive them far in the woods when I catch any.

Deliberately torturing is just completely wrong and sicko. Even ISIS has some level of remorse and they are fairly speedy when they behead someone.

 

[I Saw OJ]

Karma's a bitch

Word.

It all comes around in the end.

 

[sportage]

Where do humans get this idea that our specie is above all others?
That's some pretty delusional fucked-up thinking if you ask me.
We claim God created us in his image, and thus we are closer to God.
Or God gave us the ability to create life thru birth, thus we are special.
Well, rats were created by God as well, and rats can give life thru birth as well.
As far as image goes, that belief is of our own making.
Maybe God is a rat? And humans are the rodent.
The rats advantage, they cannot read. And they cannot watch fox news.

When you can take a rat, or dog, or a cow (yes even a cow) and have it show love and affection and a desire for life, just like we humans can, I don't see much of a difference between species.
Not much difference. Except rats and cows are less likely to end and destroy all of civilization and destroy all life on earth because humans believe they are superior and above all else.
And more so, superior to one another.

Yep. I say let us elect the first rat president.
Why not? What species would know better on how to ravage thru garbage to survive?
Something the human race had better learn asap if we are to survive the republicans.
Which are certainly the one species a notch below the rat.

If there is a hell, it was solely created for those that harm other live on earth.
Be that life rats, dogs, cows, or other human inhabitants on this earth.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Animals are animals. There is no such thing as animal cruelty. Animals don't have feelings. Fucking bleeding hearts anthropomorphize them, attributing human qualities that just plain don't exist. Yes, I know your dog whimpers when you kick him, but 10 seconds later he'll love you if you bring him a treat. That's not feelings, that's instinct.

Troll, retard or retarded troll?

 

[gorcorps]

I feel a little bad when hunting, as a lot of times your shot won't kill a bird (just bring it down) so you have to wring it's neck after finding it. I'm sure it's not fun being choked to death which is why I feel bad. Good eating though...

 

[DigDog]

is it subjective? yes. so is murder.

the problem isn't if it's subjective, it's if the person-in-question's subjective behaviour agrees with yours.

the western world still owes its current shape and life to the heroic sacrifice of sparta, whose population threw babies to their death, who enforced murder as a rite of passage, and taught violence as a way of life.

it's not whether it's "evil" or not, as long as both you and teh perpetrator do it the same way.

easy?

 

[Kaido]

I think the intent is what matters the most. If you're killing mice to get rid of an infestation problem, that's one thing, but if you're acting like a serial-killer-in-training like the guy mentioned in the OP & gleefully boiling capture rats alive and then telling people about it, that's another thing. I mean, most people don't even have a clue how farms operate, and a lot of them are horrified when they find out how things work and don't want to learn anymore about it - we'd rather ignore the process & ignorantly enjoy the results. Check out veal, for example: (language warning)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CE2FaEw48XI#t=37

But then again, a lot of our stuff is made by slave and/or child labor in China or wherever, and we tend to stick our heads in the sand about that too:

http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/09/26/usa-labor-children-idINL1E8KQ4GS20120926

Overall, the U.S. report cites 134 products from 74 countries tainted by child and other abusive labor. It said Asian countries, especially China and Burma, have relatively high numbers of goods made by forced labor.

Although it is difficult to track just how many children are exploited for work worldwide, the International Labour Organization put the figure between 980,000 and about 1.2 million in a 2005 estimate.

Lines have to be drawn somewhere, unless some major changes happens...people aren't going to stop buying hamburgers or iPhones, so there are realities out there that we have to deal with. But I do think that lines exist...putting a cat down due to say cancer is different than kicking & killing a cat in a back alley somewhere, obviously.

 

[Tiamat]

Purposely torturing an animal for enjoyment crosses the line for me. Eliminating invasive species, pests, etc. is no issue for me. If another animal is used (e.g. cat) and that animal tortures the pest animal (e.g. mouse) I find no issue unless it is done for "sporting" purposes (e.g. dog fighting).

 

[DrPizza]

Quick kill, with as little suffering as possible.

 

[Number1]

Quick kill, with as little suffering as possible.

Completely agree. I was at a friends place a few years ago and one of their rat trap had just captured a rat. The thing was still alive and you could hear it scream in agony.
I told the friend they should kill the thing to prevent unnecessary pain but they would not. They were just happy to see the rat suffer.

Out of disgust I took the rat outdoor and I crushed it's head with a rock.

I don't talk to those"friends" much anymore.

 

[stargazr]

Animals are animals. There is no such thing as animal cruelty. Animals don't have feelings. Fucking bleeding hearts anthropomorphize them, attributing human qualities that just plain don't exist. Yes, I know your dog whimpers when you kick him, but 10 seconds later he'll love you if you bring him a treat. That's not feelings, that's instinct.

 

[Number1]

It's just stupid trolling. The guy is a hot head.

 

[mikeford]

A rat will chew its leg off to get out of a trap, which suggests to me it prefers living to pain, so the rat might not choose the quick death over the painful slow one. The sure thing is that causing pain damages something inside of a human being if its not already broken.

 

[soulcougher73]

Yup he crazy, should try that on him see how he likes it.

 

[NoTine42]

alternatively, buy a cat.

Mine took care of mice and other pests around my house and the neighbours for years.

You also get the bonus of having fun with your pet. She rarely caught birds. They were just a little too smart for her.

I stopped putting bird seed in my bird feeder, because it was essentially a cat feeder.

I guess catching birds is in my outdoor cats' blood. When their mom was fully pregnant, she leapt up, grabbed a bird, and after landing, she went into labor.

 

[CPA]

rats deserve no mercy and neither do mice.

they are vermin and death is the only answer.

are we going to wring our hands over killing mosquitoes? Bug zappers? roach hotels? ant traps?

As a kid, I use to catch flies and pull their wings off. OH, THE HORROR! If a kid that today, society would brand him unstable and future psycho killer.

 

[Newell Steamer]

No question about it - he crossed the line.

 

[HenryC]

As a kid, I use to catch flies and pull their wings off. OH, THE HORROR! If a kid that today, society would brand him unstable and future psycho killer.

Yeah but this was a fully grown adult doing it. You can chalk it up to young children doing it as a matter of curiosity or not really understanding what they are doing. Besides, a fly can't scream so there isn't much emotional baggage.

 

[darkewaffle]

I don't have a problem with killing animals (well, I try to avoid it personally at least) provided it's done humanely. There's a big difference between, you know, killing that rat with a quick, heavy blow to the head or snapping it's neck vs what the asshole in OP described.

 

[HenryC]

I've always wondered why people do such things. Is it because they intensely hate the animal in question, or they are simply overcompensating for something? Knowing that they can hold such power over another animal and most likely get away with it.

 

[SlitheryDee]

I've always wondered why people do such things. Is it because they intensely hate the animal in question, or they are simply overcompensating for something? Knowing that they can hold such power over another animal and most likely get away with it.

I'd imagine that most of the time even they couldn't tell you why. I'd guess it usually isn't hate though. More like some sick orgasmic kind of pleasure that is gained from watching something suffer.