When is it cool to propose having two Americas?

[MrSquished]

Look. Approx a 1/3 of the country are rabid Trump supporters. That's a lot of wasted resources and space for starters. Partisanship isn't going anywhere, if not getting worse and worse. Our ideologies and passions are only getting farther apart.

What's the problem in discussing a solution of two states? Is it a civil war? Yes that would be inconvenient and terrible, but theoretically what if we could do it amicably? What if. Would you be more for it then?

 

[Moonbeam]

Probably the coolest time would be in winter.

 

[boomerang]

Look. Approx a 1/3 of the country are rabid Trump supporters. That's a lot of wasted resources and space for starters. Partisanship isn't going anywhere, if not getting worse and worse. Our ideologies and passions are only getting farther apart.

What's the problem in discussing a solution of two states? Is it a civil war? Yes that would be inconvenient and terrible, but theoretically what if we could do it amicably? What if. Would you be more for it then?

Assuming it was done, how will you feel when many in your new country start leaving for the other new country to escape the oppressive taxation, the reduction in freedoms and everything else that goes along with your version of paradise? It's a very real possibility. The Berlin Wall was built to keep people from leaving East Germany for all that West Germany had to offer.

Do you envision a wall between these two new nations or a free flow across the borders?

 

[MrSquished]

Assuming it was done, how will you feel when many in your new country start leaving for the other new country to escape the oppressive taxation, the reduction in freedoms and everything else that goes along with your version of paradise? It's a very real possibility. The Berlin Wall was built to keep people from leaving East Germany for all that West Germany had to offer.

Do you envision a wall between these two new nations or a free flow across the borders?

We can run our country the way we like, and you don't have to visit it or emigrate there from your lily-white paradise.

We would allow immigration of course. I think just for shits and giggles immigration from the Red America should be only merit-based. In other words, we only want your rocket scientists. Which to you guys will be a redneck with an empty beer bottle and some fireworks.

 

[ivwshane]

Assuming it was done, how will you feel when many in your new country start leaving for the other new country to escape the oppressive taxation, the reduction in freedoms and everything else that goes along with your version of paradise? It's a very real possibility. The Berlin Wall was built to keep people from leaving East Germany for all that West Germany had to offer.

Do you envision a wall between these two new nations or a free flow across the borders?

I'm sure righties will continue to enjoy living out in the middle of no where with no amenities and no people to bother them with only their guns and animals to keep them company. Eventually, I'm sure, their society will turn in to their preferred utopia where everyone is part of a militia and might make right.

Honestly, its a solution that will eventually fix itself.

Lefties, on the other hand can live in their big cities and every imaginable amenity and their high taxes, education, and technology driven self sufficiency.
I'm sure their socialist driven government will be the utopia they've always wanted too.



I always get a kick out of patriots talking about how to destroy our government or break up the country but my all time favorite is when these patriots talk about killing their fellow Americans who have different opinions than them.

Who needs enemies?!

 

[IJTSSG]

Assuming it was done, how will you feel when many in your new country start leaving for the other new country to escape the oppressive taxation, the reduction in freedoms and everything else that goes along with your version of paradise? It's a very real possibility. The Berlin Wall was built to keep people from leaving East Germany for all that West Germany had to offer.

Do you envision a wall between these two new nations or a free flow across the borders?

There's no question that "progressive, libruhl America" would have to build a wall for the same reasons one was built in Berlin in the early 60's.

 

[sdifox]

why? just make sure they all become antivaxxer and it becomes a self correcting problem.

 

[umbrella39]

Why the hell would they want to leave if they wanted to be there in the first place and knew exactly what they were in for? Derp scenario is derp boomer...

 

[IJTSSG]

Why the hell would they want to leave if they wanted to be there in the first place and knew exactly what they were in for? Derp scenario is derp boomer...

Maybe some objection to having "Mount Me" tattooed across their ass?

 

[zerocool84]

There's no question that "progressive, libruhl America" would have to build a wall for the same reasons one was built in Berlin in the early 60's.

Yea to keep all the Republican snowflakes out.

 

[Starbuck1975]

We can run our country the way we like, and you don't have to visit it or emigrate there from your lily-white paradise.

We would allow immigration of course. I think just for shits and giggles immigration from the Red America should be only merit-based. In other words, we only want your rocket scientists. Which to you guys will be a redneck with an empty beer bottle and some fireworks.

Who is going to defend your country?

 

[glenn1]

There basically already are two Americas. Each sees the other as fundamentally corrupt, morally bankrupt, and completely in thrall to people the other side regards with suspicion if not outright hostility. Hillary Clinton's "deplorables," Obama's "bitter clingers," and Mitt Romney's "47 percent" is truthful way the two sides see each other, everything else is just posturing for the right to win elections and impose their will on the other side showing them just how wrong they are.

 

[MrSquished]

Who is going to defend your country?

I believe in a strong military. So do a lot of liberals. Just not one that sticks it's nose everywhere, like say invading Iraq. A lot of people are going to want in on our business, we should maintain a strong military force across all four disciplines. Or maybe five disciplines, we want a space army!

 

[MrSquished]

There basically already are two Americas. Each sees the other as fundamentally corrupt, morally bankrupt, and completely in thrall to people the other side regards with suspicion if not outright hostility. Hillary Clinton's "deplorables," Obama's "bitter clingers," and Mitt Romney's "47 percent" is truthful way the two sides see each other, everything else is just posturing for the right to win elections and impose their will on the other side showing them just how wrong they are.

Damn straight. And one of the sides has to be more correct than the others right. I'll go with the one not worshiping an openly racist guy running the show. Let's build on that.

 

[ivwshane]

Who is going to defend your country?

Defend it from what? Right wing extremists?

 

[Noah Abrams]

There basically already are two Americas. Each sees the other as fundamentally corrupt, morally bankrupt, and completely in thrall to people the other side regards with suspicion if not outright hostility. Hillary Clinton's "deplorables," Obama's "bitter clingers," and Mitt Romney's "47 percent" is truthful way the two sides see each other, everything else is just posturing for the right to win elections and impose their will on the other side showing them just how wrong they are.

And yet one out of two Americans doesn’t vote even in Presidential elections let alone mid term ones. America exists outside of politics too. I think most of it

 

[Greenman]

I'm sure righties will continue to enjoy living out in the middle of no where with no amenities and no people to bother them with only their guns and animals to keep them company.

That's how I was raised. It was an absolutely wonderful life that I plan on returning to.

 

[alcoholbob]

We can run our country the way we like, and you don't have to visit it or emigrate there from your lily-white paradise.

We would allow immigration of course. I think just for shits and giggles immigration from the Red America should be only merit-based. In other words, we only want your rocket scientists. Which to you guys will be a redneck with an empty beer bottle and some fireworks.

That seems like a great idea. That's taking out 2 birds with 1 stone. You increase your GDP and also maintain the narrative of white privilege if the only white people you allow in your country are high income earners.

 

[Indus]

Who is going to defend your country?

I'm pretty sure while Trumptards are defending it from the mexicans, Liberals will defend it from the Russians.

 

[Jaskalas]

Assuming it was done, how will you feel when many in your new country start leaving for the other new country to escape the oppressive taxation, the reduction in freedoms and everything else that goes along with your version of paradise? It's a very real possibility. The Berlin Wall was built to keep people from leaving East Germany for all that West Germany had to offer.

Do you envision a wall between these two new nations or a free flow across the borders?

I don't see you flocking to Kansas. Wonder why that might be?
You besmirch some twisted notion of a lefty paradise but who wants the right's idea of paradise?

 

[Indus]

Assuming it was done,

Do you envision a wall between these two new nations or a free flow across the borders?

Greece and Turkey.
India and Pakistan.
Sudan and South Sudan.

They had population exchanges. Not exactly ideal since there weren't cars in those days, people had to walk/ be carried. With our infrastructer, it'd be quicker.

The easiest and best part might be, just to split it into 50 countries and people can choose to stay or move to whatever placee they want. We might be unhappy with a country but we're not generally unhappy in whatever state we live in.

 

[OWR88]

Blue states should just merge with Canada and make Canada the greatest country on Earth. A wall will be needed to keep folks from red States out.

Blue states are like West Germany and red States east Germany. Money talks people, we are Capitalists after all.

 

[UberNeuman]

I think it would be fair as long as every dollar taxed per state were returned to those states that choose not be part of the union. And as long as every piece of support for those states ended and taken out of those states - basically anything that had been funded by the goverment to that time. Military bases and equipment, SS, SSI and anything they take for granted.

 

[Moonbeam]

This is such a ridiculous game but I want to play:
If you put all the conservatives in one place you would localize the biggest group of haters and they would break up into two groups, viciously aggressive extreme conservatives and viciously aggressive radical conservatives who would then proceed to kill each, lacking as they would be the moral development to prevent such a disaster and all because the other group isn't conservative enough.

 

[UberNeuman]

This is such a ridiculous game but I want to play:
If you put all the conservatives in one place you would localize the biggest group of haters and they would break up into two groups, viciously aggressive extreme conservatives and viciously aggressive radical conservatives who would then proceed to kill each, lacking as they would be the moral development to prevent such a disaster and all because the other group isn't conservative enough.

lol. Attack each other. No. They'd unify against those "outsiders" that "pushed" them to this state. Kinda like how they are now.

No win scenario, old chum....