When is the NV35 Due?

[Keysplayr]

Anybody hear anything about it? Just curious.
Keys

 

[TechMasterChen]

Yeah I'm surprised as well with the lack of speculations, I know it's not a totally new part but just an optimized version of the existing solution with a 256-bit memory interface hopefully and a quieter cooling solution.

 

[titanmiller]

Originally posted by: TechMasterChen
I'm surprised with the lack of speculations

Shall I start? I'll say the end of September.

 

[dguy6789]

should the NV35 be be 256 bit and it's clocks the same as the 5800 ultra, it will not only beat the 5800 ultra, and the 9800 pro, it would mop the floor with the r400.

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: titanmiller

Originally posted by: TechMasterChen
I'm surprised with the lack of speculations

Shall I start? I'll say the end of September.

There's been plenty of speculation. Latest rumor from CeBit is June/July and at least 2x as fast as NV30 Ultra. :Q The 4 Dawn's demo shown there was running off working NV35 silicon and Xbit's nVidia tour has pics of very real NV35 rev. 1 chips going through Q&A.

Rumors of R400 being delayed until November or even 2004 should be more of a concern, as R350 was much less impressive than the claims Orton made at the latest ATi shareholder meeting.

Chiz

 

[BFG10K]

I've read repeated accounts that while the NV30 was delayed, it didn't affect the NV35 timeline in the least. I just hope nVidia can do something about that ridiculous cooling solution, although with 256 bit memory they can clock the whole thing much lower and still have great performance.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Any 1 know if you can buy a aftermarket flowfx like cooling system. I bet that sucker would overclock my 4200 very well. i dont care about noise and my voodoo2s used to take up 3 slots, so that is not that big of a deal to me. i would have gotten the abit otes or whatever they call the thing, but i have horror stories about abit lately.

 

[touchmyichi]

nvidia needs to start from the drawing board. They need to make an innovative new product that will blow away ATI, just as ATI did. They especially need to work on their AA.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: dguy6789
should the NV35 be be 256 bit and it's clocks the same as the 5800 ultra, it will not only beat the 5800 ultra, and the 9800 pro, it would mop the floor with the r400.

and what would give you such an idea?

Originally posted by: chizow

Originally posted by: titanmiller

Originally posted by: TechMasterChen
I'm surprised with the lack of speculations

Shall I start? I'll say the end of September.

There's been plenty of speculation. Latest rumor from CeBit is June/July and at least 2x as fast as NV30 Ultra. :Q The 4 Dawn's demo shown there was running off working NV35 silicon and Xbit's nVidia tour has pics of very real NV35 rev. 1 chips going through Q&A.

Rumors of R400 being delayed until November or even 2004 should be more of a concern, as R350 was much less impressive than the claims Orton made at the latest ATi shareholder meeting.

Chiz

Seems interesting that the R400 would be coming so late considering the R300 came so long ago and ATI didn't nor did they need to put much R&D into the R350, that seems like a lot of time for work to be done on the R400, and with the RV350 seemingly successful and efficient on .13 I wouldn't expect problems in that aspect. Well you did say "rumors", if anything time certainly seems to be on ATI's side with the sweeping success of the R300, I guess it is possible things could flip flop in nVidia's favor.

 

[Yeti101]

should the NV35 be be 256 bit and it's clocks the same as the 5800 ultra, it will not only beat the 5800 ultra, and the 9800 pro, it would mop the floor with the r400

Laff ~ Dream on
The Radeon 9700 Pro is better in most benchmakrs then the FX 5200/5600. The Radeon 9800 BLOWS those chips away. Nvidia missed its product cycle, that means their down a chip. The Radeon 9800 was IMO made to compete with the NV35. I bet the R400 will have the same advanatage to the NV35 as the 9800 to the 5600 FX.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Um, no duh the 9700 Pro blows away the 5600 Ultra, the 5800 Ultra, on the otherhand, is able to keep up for the most part and even surpass the 9700 Pro in some cases, even the 9800 Pro. The 9700 Pro was released early although I do believe it was meant to compete with the NV30, due to the late release the NV30 is probably faster than it would have been should it have been released last fall. The 9800 Pro is not to compete with the NV35, I don't see how it can, instead the 9800 Pro is just here to solidify ATI's hold of the top as the 5800 Ultra does pose a threat, a loud one at that...

 

[nemesismk2]

The question is why would ATI even be considering releasing a new product when it's not needed because they already have the 1st (radeon 9800 pro) and 2nd fastest (radeon 9700 pro) video cards available?

 

[Keysplayr]

Seems interesting that the R400 would be coming so late considering the R300 came so long ago and ATI didn't nor did they need to put much R&D into the R350, that seems like a lot of time for work to be done on the R400, and with the RV350 seemingly successful and efficient on .13 I wouldn't expect problems in that aspect. Well you did say "rumors", if anything time certainly seems to be on ATI's side with the sweeping success of the R300, I guess it is possible things could flip flop in nVidia's favor.

I think ATI is going to play a waiting game. They are very shrewd as they have demonstrated. They will wait until Nvidia has the NV35 benchies. And then know what they have to beat. Go back to their labs and crank the hell out of whatever stage of silicon they have. IMO. It's what I would do anyway. Kind of like what Nvidia did with the NV30. Overclocked just enough to marginally best the R300.

All in all, I hope is a brawl to be remembered. NV35 vs. R400. ::BLAM!!!::: :::OW!!!:::: ::::WHAM!!!:::

Keys

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: nemesismk2
The question is why would ATI even be considering releasing a new product when it's not needed because they already have the 1st (radeon 9800 pro) and 2nd fastest (radeon 9700 pro) video cards available?

Um, companies like ATI and nVidia are constantly working with R&D. As soon as the design team was done with the R300, they moved on to focus on the next new chips, specifically the R350, RV350, and R400. Because the R350 and RV350 are not new chips drawn up completely from scratch, less R&D would be need to focus on those chips, allowing a lot of attention to be trained on their next big chip, the R400. The reason nVidia isn't completely screwed is because as soon as they got the NV30 working they were able to go onto the NV31, NV34 and now the NV35, and that was some time last year most likely at some point in November. Never can such a company sit back and "wait" before they act, such action would be suicide in such an agressive market.

For all purposes I would be shocked if ATI already doesn't have 6 months of R400 R&D under their belts, even if they havne't been completely focused on their new chip, requiring 15+ months since the R300 for the R400 sounds somewhat absurdly insane to me. These rumors of the R400 coming late q4 2003 or even 2004 sound like nVidia fans attempting to cause some ruckas against ATI. But then again as I've said before, there is still a fair chance that ATI's strategy could be somewhat flawed (at least imo) and/or they have truly encountered some set backs (major ones?) that would cause such a delay. The "invincible" nVidia experienced them with the NV30, but that can be explained with the predicament with MS and the XGPU as well as the move to .13, there seems to be very little reason for ATI to be behind at all, especially when there is even reason to believe that they might even be pulling further ahead...

 

[Keysplayr]

Posted by BunnyFubbles: Never can such a company sit back and "wait" before they act, such action would be suicide in such an agressive market.




I never said anything about waiting on R&D. Nor did I say that any of the companies sits on it's laurels. I know they are all constantly researching and developing new techs. I meant that they merely wait to see what the competition has in store before "releasing" their own. Intel does this to AMD constantly. Every time AMD gets close to Intel's performance, Intel releases a "one up" processor to smack AMD back down again. Do you see where Im getting at? Smart marketing IMHO.

Keys

 

[chizow]

These rumors of the R400 coming late q4 2003 or even 2004 sound like nVidia fans attempting to cause some ruckas against ATI.

The rumors are widespread, as even the ATi fanboy favorite tabloid (the Inquirer) has hinted at such delays. Notice how R400 hasn't even been mentioned at CeBit or the GDC? Every industry analyst and web-presence has redrawn their roadmaps comparing R400 to NV40 rather than NV35.

I'm not sure how much ATi puts into R&D (I'm too lazy to pull their filings ), but considering the R300 was their first truly stellar core, it makes you wonder if they would be able to pull off such a feat consecutively. nVidia invented the 6 month product cycle, so their track record is proven. Considering they already have Xeon server clusters running NV50 simulations and compilations, there's no doubt NV40 is well into development already. Being the market leader (with considerable cash reserves and capital) affords such luxuries.

Or maybe it would be best to take it from the horse's mouth; Orton in his last shareholder's meeting announced the 9800pro as well as the RV350 parts. He boldly claimed that R350, NOT R400 would retain the performance crown for ATi through the end of the calender year. I guess he didn't seem to feel as confidently as you do about a FY'03 release of R400, but then again, I'm sure he didn't think NV35 would be released so soon after NV30.

Chiz