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its just not worth fighing in situations like this. What does it prove?


Just increases the likelyhood your gonna have to go to civil court.


Just let it go people. Shit aint fair and idiots cant keep their mouths shut. So what? I would rather let an imbecile get the last word than have to support their family for a generation because I accidentally brained someone who asked for it.

A friend went to prison for 10 years for a bar fight 20 years ago. FUCK THAT

Redneck did let it go. He walked away. Thug couldn't have that and assaulted him.

Redneck wasn't looking for a fight, he just had to finish what the thug started.
 
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Boxing officially requires a licence, so I suspect that different rules apply , but you have a fair point IMO about whether any of the white guy's actions could constitute self-defence. I suppose there would be an argument over whether he had been sufficiently provoked.

The white guys could have just got in their car and left. If the black guy had tried to stop them from doing that, that would be a different story.


In most states you can't blame a victim of an assault for not running away. That's crazy talk.

Blame the person who instigated the entire thing AND took the first cheap swings from behind, not the victim.
 

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00:36, white guy has walked past his own car, confronts black guy and says "let's go".

Is this what you call "not looking for a fight"?

LOL, I noticed this.

Funny how only one of them is being called a thug, when in reality they were all thugs.
 

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Redneck did let it go. He walked away. Thug couldn't have that and assaulted him.

Redneck wasn't looking for a fight, he just had to finish what the thug started.

its just not worth fighing in situations like this. What does it prove?


Just increases the likelyhood your gonna have to go to civil court.


Just let it go people. Shit aint fair and idiots cant keep their mouths shut. So what? I would rather let an imbecile get the last word than have to support their family for a generation because I accidentally brained someone who asked for it.

A friend went to prison for 10 years for a bar fight 20 years ago. FUCK THAT

You're both right. If the skinny guy sues, can the fat guy sue for lawyer's pay? It's not fair to have to spend time and money for defending yourself in court from some asshole who just wouldn't let it go.
 

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To the people saying redneck was mma trained.... No way. He grew up tussling in the front yard with his friends.

That type of redneck yard fight training is perfect for quickly dispatching punk thugs.

Rednecks are also fantastic with firearms and gun laws. Thug is very lucky he wasn't lawfully shot dead.

LOL, the only reason why the Redneck won that fight is because he was fat as fuck. Let's not pretend he was some type of "badass" here. Had the black punk been around the same weight as the Redneck, the fight would have been much more even.
 

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You're both right. If the skinny guy sues, can the fat guy sue for lawyer's pay? It's not fair to have to spend time and money for defending yourself in court from some asshole who just wouldn't let it go.

You can counter sue all you want but Juries tend to look at much different things. My friend I mentioned for the bar fight got hit in the head FIRST with a bottle. He then proceeded to beat the living shit out of five guys. Was he in the right. Sure. He was also a martial arts instructor with a deadly skill set that some jurisdictions look at worse than having a gun. In court he was painted as a trained killer who should have known when to stop. You can be made liable for the person you hurts family. Is it wrong sure but its the reality of our court system.

He lost his house, liberty and the privilege of seeing his kids grow up. FUCK that. Im still pissed at the whole situation.
 

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You can counter sue all you want but Juries tend to look at much different things. My friend I mentioned for the bar fight got hit in the head FIRST with a bottle. He then proceeded to beat the living shit out of five guys. Was he in the right. Sure. He was also a martial arts instructor with a deadly skill set that some jurisdictions look at worse than having a gun. In court he was painted as a trained killer who should have known when to stop. You can be made liable for the person you hurts family. Is it wrong sure but its the reality of our court system.

He lost his house, liberty and the privilege of seeing his kids grow up. FUCK that. Im still pissed at the whole situation.
Wouldn't be the first or last time that has happened. I recently read an article about a fight outside a nightclub where one punch was thrown and killed someone because they hit the concrete in a strange way killing them instantly. "Who started it" just doesn't matter.

Your friends case reminds me of Con-Air. But sorry to hear that, it's a real shame .
 

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You can counter sue all you want but Juries tend to look at much different things. My friend I mentioned for the bar fight got hit in the head FIRST with a bottle. He then proceeded to beat the living shit out of five guys. Was he in the right. Sure. He was also a martial arts instructor with a deadly skill set that some jurisdictions look at worse than having a gun. In court he was painted as a trained killer who should have known when to stop. You can be made liable for the person you hurts family. Is it wrong sure but its the reality of our court system.

He lost his house, liberty and the privilege of seeing his kids grow up. FUCK that. Im still pissed at the whole situation.

Wow, either is lawyer was horrible or his lawyer was just horrible. Should've also picked a better jury. Was this in New York?
 
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Wouldn't be the first or last time that has happened. I recently read an article about a fight outside a nightclub where one punch was thrown and killed someone because they hit the concrete in a strange way killing them instantly. "Who started it" just doesn't matter.

Your friends case reminds me of Con-Air. But sorry to hear that, it's a real shame .


Plenty of cases where simply a single punch kills someone. That's why when you're attacked from behind by a trash thug you cannot stop until they are unable to attack you any further.
 
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Wow, either is lawyer was horrible or his lawyer was just horrible. Should've also picked a better jury. Was this in New York?


+1

No way that would happen in any pro self defense state, certainly not in a stand your ground state.

Sounds like one of the modern progressive "duty to retreat" states. Personally I don't even visit places like that, I won't even support them with tourism dollars.
 

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Sounds like one of the modern progressive "duty to retreat" states. Personally I don't even visit places like that, I won't even support them with tourism dollars.

"If doing what I want to someone who gives me the least provocation is wrong, I don't want to be right!"

That's basically what your contributions to this thread make you sound like, IMO.
 
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forget the race factor here. both guys were being aggressive, if a guy punches you then of course you have the right to self defense. but it got outta hand. the guy was clearly completely removed as a threat and yet was continually pounded to the head, which can cause permanent damage and death.

i think it's more manly to realize when you have eliminated the threat and get up and move on rather than continue to beat. he had him out, i woulda searched him to make sure he didn't have a weapon that he could then fire at me. then move on. i don't care which guy was black which guy was white. to me this is colorblind logic.
 

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forget the race factor here. both guys were being aggressive, if a guy punches you then of course you have the right to self defense. but it got outta hand. the guy was clearly completely removed as a threat and yet was continually pounded to the head, which can cause permanent damage and death.

i think it's more manly to realize when you have eliminated the threat and get up and move on rather than continue to beat. he had him out, i woulda searched him to make sure he didn't have a weapon that he could then fire at me. then move on. i don't care which guy was black which guy was white. to me this is colorblind logic.

There were two beatings. The first was to neutralize the threat. The second was for the trash-talking/suck my dick offers.
 
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forget the race factor here. both guys were being aggressive, if a guy punches you then of course you have the right to self defense. but it got outta hand. the guy was clearly completely removed as a threat and yet was continually pounded to the head, which can cause permanent damage and death.



i think it's more manly to realize when you have eliminated the threat and get up and move on rather than continue to beat. he had him out, i woulda searched him to make sure he didn't have a weapon that he could then fire at me. then move on. i don't care which guy was black which guy was white. to me this is colorblind logic.


Redneck could have gone a LOT farther. Watch that world star hip hop site and look at how often thugs repeatedly kick knocked out people in the head and groin.

It the realm of knock out videos this was extremely tame.
 

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I wouldn't call this classic self defense like GZ/Trayvon. GZ didn't want to fight and he never gave consent to fight. The first punch in this video was only thrown only after consent was given. Does self defense laws make this distinction? I remember someone in the GZ forums saying that if two people consent to fight in the state of Florida and one dies, the surviving person goes to jail.



Boxing officially requires a licence, so I suspect that different rules apply , but you have a fair point IMO about whether any of the white guy's actions could constitute self-defence. I suppose there would be an argument over whether he had been sufficiently provoked.

The white guys could have just got in their car and left. If the black guy had tried to stop them from doing that, that would be a different story.

Boxing is licensed by a govern body as a way of saying that this specific fight is approved by the state issuing the license. No governing body approves of a consensual street fight so if one party dies, does the other go to jail?
 
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@ GinormousNG

That's what I would expect (going to jail). Duelling was declared illegal in most developed countries a few centuries ago, and I doubt that it was so much about the weapons as it was 'to the death', AFAIK.
 

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I wouldn't call this classic self defense like GZ/Trayvon. GZ didn't want to fight and he never gave consent to fight. The first punch in this video was only thrown only after consent was given. Does self defense laws make this distinction? I remember someone in the GZ forums saying that if two people consent to fight in the state of Florida and one dies, the surviving person goes to jail.

ok omniscient one. yes GZ who had already judged someone as a threat and pursued them while armed had no interest in a fight. you know this.

seriously. you people are nuts.
 

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ok omniscient one. yes GZ who had already judged someone as a threat and pursued them while armed had no interest in a fight. you know this.

seriously. you people are nuts.

The outcome of GZ vs Martin is already set in stone. Why are you still crying about it?
 

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Redneck could have gone a LOT farther. Watch that world star hip hop site and look at how often thugs repeatedly kick knocked out people in the head and groin.

It the realm of knock out videos this was extremely tame.

So because others also beat on unconscious people, in this instance it was ok?
 

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The outcome of GZ vs Martin is already set in stone. Why are you still crying about it?

calling out a stupid statement is not crying about anything. and nothing is set in stone (see recent death penalty conviction overturned after 30 years)

you seem overly sensitive.

nobody knows for sure what happened that night. we do know that GZ set out in pursuit in a state of anger and having already judged someone guilty though. so saying he in no way was seeking confrontation is a really stupid statement.

please give us more thoughts of yours on that evening. would love to continue to expose your stupidity.
 
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