When people aren't vaccinated...

[allisolm]

you get more than 4 dozen cases in 4 states as

"Disneyland measles outbreak continues to spread"

"The outbreak has the potential to develop into one of the worst outbreaks since 1989."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/01/18/disney-measles-spreads/21953767/

Hopefully they will control it before the worst case scenario comes to pass, but it is all so unnecessary. Just get vaccinated so you don't get sick and carry it to others.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I can't believe there's still people, specially children that haven't been vaccinated against measles. My wife and daughter had to prove they had been vaccinated as part of their immigration Visa. As well as when I registered my daughter and son for school in Texas.

I feel for any children who may contract measles but the adults who have not gotten vaccinated they deserve to suffer for weeks.

 

[Jaskalas]

Yeah... how do their children go to school without vaccination?

Anyways I've had my shots... how could measles be any concern of mine?
"Worst case scenario"... what's that?

 

[moonbogg]

I know people who don't vaccinate their kids. ITS THE AUTISMS!

 

[Brainonska511]

Some states are more lax with anti-vaxxers, allowing for ambiguous exemptions. Other states, like NY, are more heavy handed - allowing only religious exemptions and barring unvaccinated children from schools if another child comes down with a vaccine preventable illness: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2388452

I don't know why people don't get why people don't vaccinate their children. If any medicine was as effective and safe as vaccines, we'd consider it, at minimum, highly unethical (probably child abuse) to deny it from someone that was sick.

http://imgur.com/a/ybBUJ

 

[Jeff7]

Some states are more lax with anti-vaxxers, allowing for ambiguous exemptions. Other states, like NY, are more heavy handed - allowing only religious exemptions and barring unvaccinated children from schools if another child comes down with a vaccine preventable illness: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2388452

I don't know why people don't get why people don't vaccinate their children. If any medicine was as effective and safe as vaccines, we'd consider it, at minimum, highly unethical (probably child abuse) to deny it from someone that was sick.

http://imgur.com/a/ybBUJ

Short memories. As a species, that is.
That comic spells it out nicely.

Thanks in no small part to vaccination, the current generations don't have direct memory of what life was like before regular vaccination was around. We developed the technology to keep ourselves safe, but time caused us to forget the backstory.
I also get the idea that, when our species isn't facing enough immediate threats, we get paranoid.

Think of our evolutionary history: Tribal primates stuck in the wild, without the ability to store large amounts of information through the invention of symbolic written language. Your history lesson content was limited to the knowledge of the people living near you.
Living in the wild, there usually was a threat out there. If there wasn't, that probably meant that the predator (or rival) stalking you was being unexpectedly stealthy. Or maybe a 20-year-long rainy spell was about to come to a natural end, and plunge the region into famine. Those who were paranoid about danger would have a better chance of surviving.

That paranoia persists, so we have things like witch hunts, or worry that antibiotics or vaccinations are the real monster. Our short lifespans mean that our collective memory isn't so good, so we quickly forget how much things sucked in the past with regards to diseases.





(Side note: I still find it to be an impressive feat that we as a species have managed to largely eradicate some of these infectious agents. "We've decided that you are a serious threat to us, so we are going to remove your species from existence. Nothing personal though, so are we cool?" )

 

[Anarchist420]

I don't know why people don't get why people don't vaccinate their children. If any medicine was as effective and safe as vaccines, we'd consider it, at minimum, highly unethical (probably child abuse) to deny it from someone that was sick. http://imgur.com/a/ybBUJ

it's retarded to indiscriminately vaccinate people; i mean, some people are immune to smallpox. more research should be done as well as available research applied to more cases before wasting resources on trying to get the impossible--a vaccination rate of 100%.

and vaccines often dont work; sometimes they even kill. sure fdr would've benefitted from the polio vaccine but that's only because he acted like a dumbass.

 

[werepossum]

It's a different type of measles, dude. I know two people whose kids have caught it and both were previously vaccinated against measles and indeed, against everything government tells them to be vaccinated against. They caught this version (which is pretty nasty) in spite of their vaccinations.

That said, I have no problem with prohibiting unvaccinated kids from attending government schools, even though the only people they can contaminate are the unvaccinated. They could catch measles or something similarly bad and give it to babies, if nothing else.

I also have no problem with requiring remedial math and statistics for parents who do not vaccinate. I understand the urge - I've seen some horrific permanent damage done by vaccinations - but it's kind of like hiding under a moving train to be safe from meteorites.

 

[Texashiker]

Just get vaccinated so you don't get sick and carry it to others.

Bull crap.

There are well documented outbreaks in people who were fully vaccinated.

 

[DCal430]

It's a different type of measles, dude. I know two people whose kids have caught it and both were previously vaccinated against measles and indeed, against everything government tells them to be vaccinated against. They caught this version (which is pretty nasty) in spite of their vaccinations.

That said, I have no problem with prohibiting unvaccinated kids from attending government schools, even though the only people they can contaminate are the unvaccinated. They could catch measles or something similarly bad and give it to babies, if nothing else.

I also have no problem with requiring remedial math and statistics for parents who do not vaccinate. I understand the urge - I've seen some horrific permanent damage done by vaccinations - but it's kind of like hiding under a moving train to be safe from meteorites.

Where these kids under 5? If so they may not have received the second dose of the vaccine, so may not be immune yet.

 

[sportage]

Bull crap.

There are well documented outbreaks in people who were fully vaccinated.

OMG!!!!

And there are plenty of people that shoot themselves in the head, and survive.
Russian roulette anyone ???

 

[shira]

I know people who don't vaccinate their kids. ITS THE AUTISMS!

If the human mind, despite all the scientific evidence to the contrary, is capable of believing that childhood vaccines are too dangerous to use, then is it any wonder that so many people can believe that Climate Change is a hoax?

 

[shira]

Bull crap.

There are well documented outbreaks in people who were fully vaccinated.

Back from being banned?

 

[werepossum]

Where these kids under 5? If so they may not have received the second dose of the vaccine, so may not be immune yet.

Neither was. One's maybe 8 or 9, the other maybe 12 or 13.

 

[Vic]

Anti-vaxxers just piggyback off the herd immunity. Like a driver who doesn't get car insurance because everyone else has full coverage. Why should he pay for it when he's already covered by everyone else?

The math is fairly straightforward. Without any vaccines, the mortality rate from these diseases used to run about 1 in 7. With vaccines, the mortality rate is around 1 in 100,000, largely from rare adverse reactions to the vaccines (which does not include autism). But if you don't vax, and everyone else does, then you avoid the risks of both the diseases and the vaccines. A win-win if you're of an unethical mindset.
Of course, that will all fall apart as more and more people stop vaccinating. Just like if enough people drive without insurance, soon enough 2 people without insurance will hit each other.

While there are some rare adverse reactions to vaccination, as unfortunately nothing is perfect, autism and other so-called vax injuries are mostly the result of 'ambulance chasing.' Children with disabilities are expensive, and it's hard to get a court award if the cause of that disability is genetic.

 

[Texashiker]

Back from being banned?

I have been away with my job.

Some of us have to do the jobs that make your life possible.

 

[shira]

Bull crap.

There are well documented outbreaks in people who were fully vaccinated.

Wrong! Since vaccines aren't 100% effective, there are definitely people who contract an illness they're vaccinated against. But I very hightly doubt there are "outbreaks" of illness among a population of people vaccinated against that illness.

Learn to think before you post.

 

[Vic]

Bull crap.

There are well documented outbreaks in people who were fully vaccinated.

Ah.. anti-vax 'logic.'

There are well-documented cases of people who ate almost nothing but fruits and vegetables and still died of cancer. Does that prove that eating fruits and vegetables is not healthy?

 

[Texashiker]

Anti-vaxxers just piggyback off the herd immunity. Like a driver who doesn't get car insurance because everyone else has full coverage. Why should he pay for it when he's already covered by everyone else?

Regardless, a person should have the right to decide what goes into their body.

Then there are the pro-vaccine lies, that if you get vaccinated you "will" be protected, which a flat out lie.

 

[Brainonska511]

With vaccines, the mortality rate is around 1 in 100,000, largely from rare adverse reactions to the vaccines (which does not include autism).

For some vaccines, the risk of death from an adverse reaction is so rare that it isn't even quantified. Regardless, the risk is astronomically small compared with the risk of catching the disease and the possible, long-term reactions having the disease can bring.

 

[Brainonska511]

it's retarded to indiscriminately vaccinate people; i mean, some people are immune to smallpox. more research should be done as well as available research applied to more cases before wasting resources on trying to get the impossible--a vaccination rate of 100%.

and vaccines often dont work; sometimes they even kill. sure fdr would've benefitted from the polio vaccine but that's only because he acted like a dumbass.

Once again, you have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Vic]

Regardless, a person should have the right to decide what goes into their body.

Then there are the pro-vaccine lies, that if you get vaccinated you "will" be protected, which a flat out lie.

Please provide me with one -- just one -- example of a legitimate medical community source stating that vaccination is 100% safe and effective.

 

[Texashiker]

Wrong! Since vaccines aren't 100% effective, there are definitely people who contract an illness they're vaccinated against. But I very hightly doubt there are "outbreaks" of illness among a population of people vaccinated against that illness.

Learn to think before you post.

You really should not post on stuff you have no idea about.

http://news.sciencemag.org/health/2...ak-traced-fully-vaccinated-patient-first-time

A person fully vaccinated against measles has contracted the disease and passed it on to others.

The startling case study contradicts received wisdom about the vaccine and suggests that a recent swell of measles outbreaks in developed nations could mean more illnesses even among the vaccinated.

Lets go back to 1993,

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8483623

Investigation of a measles outbreak in a fully vaccinated school population including serum studies before and after revaccination.

It is a well known fact that measles and whooping cough vaccines do not stop outbreaks.

 

[shira]

Regardless, a person should have the right to decide what goes into their body.

Then there are the pro-vaccine lies, that if you get vaccinated you "will" be protected, which a flat out lie.

Why don't you tell us the phraseology YOU think most accurately describes what getting vaccinated will accomplish?

 

[werepossum]

For some vaccines, the risk of death from an adverse reaction is so rare that it isn't even quantified. Regardless, the risk is astronomically small compared with the risk of catching the disease and the possible, long-term reactions having the disease can bring.

I'd have thought that virtually all vaccines would fall into that category except very new ones, as we're very risk adverse with our children and continually keep improving them.*

*Vaccines, not children. Children are as good as they'll ever get.

Wrong! Since vaccines aren't 100% effective, there are definitely people who contract an illness they're vaccinated against. But I very hightly doubt there are "outbreaks" of illness among a population of people vaccinated against that illness.

Learn to think before you post.

Well . . . Little tiny outbreaks. Like one person outbreaks. Sometimes just one arm.