What would a violation of free will look like if it were to happen? Do you have any idea at all?
What would a violation of free will look like if it were to happen? Do you have any idea at all?So, free will should only exist when it's not used for something really bad? Who decides?
What would a violation of free will look like if it were to happen? Do you have any idea at all?
We don't even know if we are real or not in a physical sense. Is there chaos or superdeterminism? Can we know things as truths which cannot be examined? There's a lot of things we can't know.
I'm not the one trying to sell the idea that free will is so important to preserve that it justifies standing by while millions of Jews are brutally tortured and murdered. Maybe you should respond to him.
I could go on.
Just came across the Nina Pham article. Seems people are upset because she thanked God for saving her life, but in reality it was the medical staff, and science that saved her from an awful death. In reality, she would have died.
http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/nurse-cured-ebola-thanks-god-atheists-furious/
Just curious. Where was God when...
Pol Pot killed 1.5m Cambodians.
Hitler murdered 6m Jews
The Spanish Empire wiped out the Aztecs, Mayans, and Incas
Stalin murdered 20-50m of his own people
America nearly wiped out the indigenous peoples of North America
Nearly 10 thousand people have died from Ebola this year alone
I could go on. The point I'm trying to make is if there is a God why didn't he/she do anything to save these poor people? Why is her life more important than 6m Jews? It just seems crazy when people like Ms. Pham makes those type of statements.
I'm not the one trying to sell the idea that free will is so important to preserve that it justifies standing by while millions of Jews are brutally tortured and murdered. Maybe you should respond to him.
Didn't the old tale say that two individuals made that choice long ago? And then all of their descendents were to be punished as well? (Or is that just our own fault for continuing to reproduce? Like sending two criminals to an isolated penal colony, and then keeping their descendents trapped there as well.)Your perspective is quite paradoxical. You want to remain free to question but, ask for controls to keep bad things from happening. Human nature made that choice long ago. In short, you demand God reveal himself but reserve the right to disagree with him. You seem to have difficulty in understanding your own nature while stating you understand God's.
Does that make God the ultimate bystander?Talk about missing the mark entirely. This is shit I was able to work out for myself when I was about 10. There will always be suffering in the world and god does not inflict it. Its part of life, there WILL be parts of life that are painful. No one makes it off the planet alive. Thats why we're supposed to help those in need and such.
Billy Mays here!First, if you actually cared to learn about Christian theology on this topic even as a purely intellectual exercise, the resources are plentiful. The "question" you're asking is not some mystery, it's been pretty clearly answered through centuries of thought. You can certainly disagree with it, but you're not exposing some great truth, you're just ignorant on the topic.
Secondly the people who are "angry" are morons. If she wanted to thank the great spaghetti deity, the love of family, her dragonball chi, or the power of oxiclean, she should be able to do so without people being douchbags about it.
You don't know the first thing about my position. Clearly, as it is with this religious topic, that won't stop you from talking out of your ass at length, however.Your perspective is quite paradoxical.
You want to remain free to question but, ask for controls to keep bad things from happening. Human nature made that choice long ago. In short, you demand God reveal himself but reserve the right to disagree with him. You seem to have difficulty in understanding your own nature while stating you understand God's.
You don't know the first thing about my position. Clearly, as it is with this religious topic, that won't stop you from talking out of your ass at length, however.
How about you just answer the fucking question, jackass?
Why's that such a surprise? Have you ever seen people "discussing" fantasy football?Such anger, such fervor, all over something that in your view, doesn't exist.
Perhaps you're too afraid to believe in anything? Truly a miserable state. Take a stand. You can not define yourself by what you are not.
Such anger, such fervor, all over something that in your view, doesn't exist.
Perhaps you're too afraid to believe in anything? Truly a miserable state. Take a stand. You can not define yourself by what you are not.
LOL you really have no clue why you believe what you do.
Oh another 'voice of reason.' I forget, exactly what do you believe in? It takes a certain amount of courage to standup for what you believe but, none at all to disparage or discount someone else's beliefs.
In all seriousness, to think that we as humans should be able to "understand the mind/will of God" is pretty arrogant. It would be the equivalent of thinking that a toddler knows the mind/will of his/her parents. A child does not necessarily know, agree with, understand, or like the decisions that parents make on his/her behalf, but we do it anyway and for his/her benefit. Like parents, God asks that we believe and trust in Him, but are not always given the answers to understand. Does this mean that a child should consider his/her parent mean, powerless, arrogant, self serving, etc.?
Thus we get stupid analogies.
Not at all, actually. The Book of Job parallels JP's post, as it specifically deals with staying faithful even in the unknown. The final chapters are devoted to God responding to Job as a result of him asking the very same questions many have asked right here in this thread. It is both extremely fascinating and very humbling at the same time.
Have you ever read it?
Did SEAL Team Six violate Osama's free will when they killed him?
What about when they killed three Somali pirates holding Captain Phillips hostage?
Is it a violation of a running back's free will when a defender tackles him?
What do you really know about free will?
How about explaining it without an analogy.
How about explaining it without an analogy.