When to expect an IPAD alternative?

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1. NO FLASH - annoying, I agree. No arguements from me. But not a deal-breaker for me either. My primary internet browser doesn't have Flash either - I don't like the ads.
2. No camera - I can't think of a lot of shipping tablet PC's that have a camera either. If they do have a camera, it's not a very good one.
3. no usb - for $29, you can get a USB port that let's you plug in an external HD, Flash stick, USB keyboard and USB headset. For the USB memory stick and HD, it's only read-only and only reads photos and movies (and those only in MP4)
4. no built-in video out - yeah, but a cable is $20 on Ebay... for what you pay for a VGA cable at Best Buy, this isn't insanely overpriced.
5. no keyboard - you can add a bluetooth keyboard or a USB keyboard (using the $29 adapter). While this could be considered a huge negative (you need to fork out more money for a keyboard), it's also a positive in that you can choose if you want to lug around a keyboard or not.
6. no sd slot - same $29 gets you an SD reader. Again, read-only and only pictures and movies, unless you jailbreak and then you can read/write whatever you want.
7. not full os, so its less flexible and cannot act as a 2nd computer - depends on what you want to do on your second computer... but agreed.
8. compatibility problem reading some excel docs (understandable since its a microsoft product) - they may well fix this in time. But agreed.
9. no touch pad - the whole thing is a touch pad...?
10.no pen input - you can use a pen with it... any metal objective will work for input.

on the flip side,
1. turns on instantly - there is no booting from sleep mode, no waiting at all. Wireless (if you were associated to the same WiFi point the last time you used it) is virtually instantenous as well.
2. battery life is pretty impressive - I have no idea what the standby time for an iPad is, but it's got to be a really long time. I've never noticed the battery is lower after leaving it in standby. And battery life while using it is well above 10 hours continuous use in my experience. Using it as an e-reader, the battery seems to last over 15 hours of use. I've owned an iPad for about three weeks to a month and I've only charged it 3 times, and I use it a fair bit.
3. it's very lightweight - it's heavier than it looks like it will be when you see it, and I wouldn't want to straightarm hold it for a while, but it's very comfortable on a lap, or sitting on a couch. It's very light in a carry-on bag on a plane.
4. the OS feels really fast and responsive - it might have a tiny Arm chip in it, but however they did it, it feels really fast.
5. no virus scanning, no defragging, no mandatory OS updates, no malware, no concerns at all when some window opens on your browser that looks like a virus scanner and says "you have been infected with Tojan A.B.12.3x, click here to remove".
6. easy enough to use that I can hand it to my 5 year old daughter on a car trip and she knows how to start games and play a movie all by herself. She's decently smart for a 5 year old but it took some explanation to get her to launch a movie on a netbook, or to launch a game, and even so there would be questions "dad, why is it doing this?" I actually tried this with a netbook and WinXP and it didn't work as well as it does with an iPad.

My negatives as an iPad owner are:
1. it's expensive. It's not cheap as-is, and a $140 3G chip is crazy, but beyond the somewhat high base price it's missing lots accessories and the accessories for it are generally more expensive than I'd think they should be. A dock, a keyboard, headphones? A cheap plastic case for $40? A limited USB and SD slot for $30? Sure, it's the "Apple Tax" but it doesn't mean that I have to like it.
2. there are not a lot of iPad apps that are really good. It's not all crapware... but there's a sizeable percentage that is. iPhone apps work, but they don't look great and there's not good use of screen space.
3. no multitasking. While I don't usually miss multitasking on my iPhone, it's much more annoying with a pseudo-computer like the iPad. And yeah, it's coming, but once it's here in the API's, it will still take a while to arrive in apps and they might charge extra for the multitasking version.
4. missing lots of basic iPhone apps. where "stocks", "weather" and more importantly "calculator" and "clock"? True, I could download arguebly better apps off the app store, but why didn't they include them? Why do I need to pay more money for them?
5. no way to print. I hear this is coming, but if I want to print something I have to go find a real computer. This has happened a couple of times printing things like boarding passes and letters.

The key with an iPad - like lots of things Apple - is that it's limited by the choices Apple makes and it costs a lot. But everything that it does do, it does pretty well. I've used mine as an e-book reader and to entertain the kids and to quickly look stuff up on the internet and so far I'm happy enough. The screen is beautiful, the battery life is very good, it's lightweight and instant-on internet access.
 

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in regards to instant on, my t91 go from sleep to on with wifi within 3seconds, same as my friend's ipad.
in regards to weight, its 2.1lb, only a little bit heavier...

but in regards to battery, no doubt ipad got it right. screen is also better with ips.
ipad cpu isn't as fast as atom, however, its os is better optimized so it runs alot faster on web surfing and even some gaming. sf4 on ipad is amazing.

ipad does what it does well, just lack severly in flexibility.
 

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in regards to instant on, my t91 go from sleep to on with wifi within 3seconds, same as my friend's ipad.
in regards to weight, its 2.1lb, only a little bit heavier...

but in regards to battery, no doubt ipad got it right. screen is also better with ips.
ipad cpu isn't as fast as atom, however, its os is better optimized so it runs alot faster on web surfing and even some gaming. sf4 on ipad is amazing.

ipad does what it does well, just lack severly in flexibility.

"ipad does what it does well, just lack severly in flexibility"

And thats the key... Don't want another Kindle laying around collecting dust.
After the neatness wears off whats left? Besides a need for a real OS...
 

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Jackdruid, I looked at the T91. I had never heard of it until you mentioned it. It's an intriguing device. If my daughter wasn't attached to her Acer netbook, I'd stick it on Ebay and buy a T91 for "her" instead.

I think it depends on what you are after. If you want a second computer, then a T91 makes a lot of sense. It's lightweight, the price is right and it does everything a computer should. Since I tend to be using my iPad as a kids entertainment device and e-reader, I'm thinking the iPad makes more sense in my case...

"ipad does what it does well, just lack severly in flexibility"

And thats the key... Don't want another Kindle laying around collecting dust.
After the neatness wears off whats left? Besides a need for a real OS...

Nothing in my house sits around gathering dust... if I find myself not using it, it will be on Ebay in a month.

I always think the "real OS" comment is inaccurate. It's running a BSD derivative Posix-compliant OS. You can (if you jailbreak it) pull up a tcsh shell window and start running Unix commands on it. BSD is about as real an OS as I can think of. I understand the point - that it's a limited OS that can't do a lot of usual things, like provide read/write access to a USB port - but it's definitely a "real" OS.
 
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1. NO FLASH
2. No camera
3. no usb
4. no built-in video out
5. no keyboard
6. no sd slot
7. not full os, so its less flexible and cannot act as a 2nd computer
8. compatibility problem reading some excel docs (understandable since its a microsoft product)
9. no touch pad
10.no pen input.

I agree with some, but a lot of those points are lame excuses. You do remember its a tablet right?
 

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Jackdruid, I looked at the T91. I had never heard of it until you mentioned it. It's an intriguing device. If my daughter wasn't attached to her Acer netbook, I'd stick it on Ebay and buy a T91 for "her" instead.

I think it depends on what you are after. If you want a second computer, then a T91 makes a lot of sense. It's lightweight, the price is right and it does everything a computer should. Since I tend to be using my iPad as a kids entertainment device and e-reader, I'm thinking the iPad makes more sense in my case...

agreed. Ipad is excellent in ebook and internet surfing with the exception of lack of flash... I mean... its a rather idiotic shortcoming for ipad... and completely unnecessary.

a few years ago, there was a time when Internet Appliance were hot, however died down after a while due to its lack of speed, responsiveness, screen resolution, and price.

Now,Apple finally realized the dream, they made an internet appliance with none of above weaknesses. Ipad would have been THE PERFECT INTERNET APPLIANCE had it supported flash, its simply sad, that steve jobs had to ruin it for apple and the rest of the world...

I agree with some, but a lot of those points are lame excuses. You do remember its a tablet right?

I AM COMPARING IPAD TABLET TO MY T91 TABLET.

its a direct tablet to tablet comparison.
 
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BenSkywalker

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Maybe I missed it beign mentioned, what about the Streak?

I know it's going to be a a couple quarters before we see the larger models, but the 5" version is hitting within the next couple of weeks and looks to be a decent alternative for those that want something a bit more portable.
 

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As long as they have integrated seamless social networking capabilities built in, I am down with it, lol. The cost is secondary to me. I gots to be able to update my facebbook status on the fly, on a moments notice, anywhere, anytime. When I feels the need to Tweet I don't want any inconveniences involved. This is a must, lol. But most importantly I needs the capability for unlimited calls to the ladies via google voice!!
 
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IamDavid

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It will be interesting to see if they can overcome the problems that the HP Slate had because of windows 7 (slow/unresponsive, having to wait for it to boot, not customized for touch, etc)

You're right. I'm probably asking for too much. I don't expect the boot times to match the IPad or the battery life to come close but for the most part the rest should match up. It may be slow but I'm sure they'll multitask OK.

If they can browse the web(with flash), run MS Office, tether to my phone, have a 3+hours battery life, have all the normal connections, I'll be sold. Actually I'll be buying 5 so I hope they're cheap! lol
 

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I'm actually thinking about buying an ipad especially since my iPod touch drowned with my camera last weekend and uhh... actually I don't really have a good reason for wanting one.

I'd rather have an Android variant but those won't really be worthwhile for some time. 3G or non 3G... hmm.
 

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I'm actually thinking about buying an ipad especially since my iPod touch drowned with my camera last weekend and uhh... actually I don't really have a good reason for wanting one.

I'd rather have an Android variant but those won't really be worthwhile for some time. 3G or non 3G... hmm.

If you want a 3G, get one now and get grandfathered in on the unlimited plan while it's still available...
 

mosco

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It's disappointing the 10inch asus will run windows CE 7. I would have liked to see Android or something.

The ipad might not be perfect for everyone, but its been great me for me. I am not afraid to ditch apple though, so competition is always good.
 

mosco

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oh and it does't run my visual studio 2005, my sql server, my all kind of windows only crapware.

This is actually the reason I got rid of my dell mini 10v. I have a 26 inch monitor at work and found developing on a 1024x600 screen to be just be painful. I only ended up using it for surfing, email, movies, and basic stuff.
 

JACKDRUID

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This is actually the reason I got rid of my dell mini 10v. I have a 26 inch monitor at work and found developing on a 1024x600 screen to be just be painful. I only ended up using it for surfing, email, movies, and basic stuff.


you are not making sense... you run 1024x600 on your 26 inch monitor?

i use vs on 1024x600 ONLY in emergency, not at work nor at home...

as a developer, it is a must to have emergency access to development tool at all times (even on vacation).
 
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