When/What to Buy Given Haswell's Arrival

dog_love

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I will be starting work at a law firm in September, and they are giving me $1600 to buy a computer. I have to buy it within three months of when I start so between June and December. To add a complication, I take the bar exam in late July, and I would like to use the new computer to take the bar exam because the one I have bluescreened once recently. I know haswell is coming out in June but probably won't make it into consumer computers until, what, October? I am choosing between buying before haswell but in time for the bar or using my potentially faulty computer for the bar and waiting for haswell (and suffering the pain of waiting, period, because of course my impulse is to rush off and buy an awesome computer on June 1).

Thus, I have two questions. The first is whether I should wait for haswell (actually, preliminarily to that, does anyone have a good sense about when haswell will be available in consumer laptops?) The second question is which computer (laptop) I should buy. The latter may be hard to answer without knowing what laptops haswell will bring, so I suppose it is, which laptop should I buy if I don't wait for haswell? As an aside, since I am not a heavy-duty user aside from the occasional video-streaming or processor-taxing game, I don't think I need anything that is more powerful than what is currently available. I know, however, that haswell will bring improved battery life, and it will make current non-haswell computers cheaper, so there are reasons to wait other than faster processing.

The firm uses windows so whatever I get will be running windows but I am not opposed to a MacBook bootcamped and running windows since they have nice hardware (hate iOS and OSX, though). I want something that is very portable; switching from a 4.5-pound laptop to my sub-3-pound asus zenbook made a huge difference for my back. Like I said I am mostly not a heavy user but since I get a $1600 discount I figure I may as well get a very fast machine. (The way it works is I get reimbursed for whatever I buy, so there is no incentive to buy something cheaper to keep the extra $ - if I buy a $1,000 computer, they'll cut me a $1,000 check.) I am willing to pay up to maybe an extra $1,000 on top of the $1,600.

Laptops I have seen that interest me are the Inbon Blade 13; the Samsung 9 series; the Lenovo helix or yoga (hybrid/convertible is fine); possibly the kirabook although I am unsure about the lack of Ethernet. If the Pixel could run windows I would seriously consider that because I love its screen (except for it being 3:2) and the way it looks. I currently have a surface pro (love it!); an asus zenbook UX31A; an asus vivobook touchscreen laptop (U400?) and an older Lenovo thinkpad with a docking station so I can have two screens; and an assortment of tablets. (I am a gadget junky, haha....current high is trying to find this hisense sero 7 pro tablet.) I think I also have the option of buying a laptop and a tablet, but since I already have a few tablets, I think I'd rather put the money toward a really great laptop.

Sorry for the length. LMK if there is anything else that it would be helpful to know.
 

C2bcool

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Personally, I would NEVER buy a PC based laptop again. I have a home PC (I built last June) and have been really thinking about getting a MacBook Air. I have used tons of differnet laptops and recently compared a really nice IVY I7 Sager to a MacBook Air with Retna Display. The Sager is really nice and better for gaming, but the MacBook beats it everywhere else.

IMHO get a MacBook Air or Pro with an SSD. It will last a HELL of a lot longer then any PC based laptop and won't slow down over time due to harddrive errors and viruses.

Lastly, good luck with the bar. I graduated law school back in 2008 and passed the following July Florida Bar Exam. Not fun at all, but soooooo worth it!
 
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pcunite

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The Lenovo Thinkpad line are good machines. Don't worry about virus and "slowing" down as long as you get an SSD and configure SRP+LUA.
 

dog_love

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Thanks guys. Do you think I should wait to buy? I assume the benefit of haswell for me will be improved battery life. I don't think the things I use my computer for will be that different with a faster processor.

As for the thinkpad, that was my old laptop which had a nice docking station as well. My issue was how heavy it was, so I would be looking at think pad ultrabooks, hybrids, or convertibles. I saw an article saying that new think pad ultrabooks are coming out. I love lenovo keyboards.

Personally, I would NEVER buy a PC based laptop again. I have a home PC (I built last June) and have been really thinking about getting a MacBook Air. I have used tons of differnet laptops and recently compared a really nice IVY I7 Sager to a MacBook Air with Retna Display. The Sager is really nice and better for gaming, but the MacBook beats it everywhere else.

IMHO get a MacBook Air or Pro with an SSD. It will last a HELL of a lot longer then any PC based laptop and won't slow down over time due to harddrive errors and viruses.

Lastly, good luck with the bar. I graduated law school back in 2008 and passed the following July Florida Bar Exam. Not fun at all, but soooooo worth it!

Yeah I am really not looking forward to studying for the bar or taking it. During exam periods I can tell myself 'only a week or two and exams are over' but the bar is 10 straight weeks of studying - ugh!

Anyway I like mac hardware but I won't use OSX. If I get a mac I'd install windows but I've heard that is not so great for its battery life. I am eying the macbook pro 13" w retina screen. Do you have a mac and use it for work?
 

C2bcool

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No, I have a PC at work (hate it/no SSD) and they gave me an IPad. Whatever you get my recommendation is getting a 256GB SSD or better in it. I'm so spoiled at home and despise waiting for word, Internet, etc to load. SSD also helps battery life.

Read every sample bar essay you can get your hands on. For multiple choice it is also important to understand why you got an answer right and not just why you got it wrong. PMBR was better for me then BarBri. But, both help.

Also, don't be one of those idiots that studies 12+ hours a day. 8-10 hours of quality studying is much better and don't feel bad if you need to take a Saturday or Sunday off. Too many people stress themselves out waaaaaay too much.

Lastly, if you have not submitted your Bar Application/background check do it ASAP. It's really nice when you can get your bar results, get sworn in the same day, and then cover a hearing the next day.
 
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McWatt

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Personally, I would NEVER buy a PC based laptop again. I have a home PC (I built last June) and have been really thinking about getting a MacBook Air. I have used tons of differnet laptops and recently compared a really nice IVY I7 Sager to a MacBook Air with Retna Display. The Sager is really nice and better for gaming, but the MacBook beats it everywhere else.

IMHO get a MacBook Air or Pro with an SSD. It will last a HELL of a lot longer then any PC based laptop and won't slow down over time due to harddrive errors and viruses.

Lastly, good luck with the bar. I graduated law school back in 2008 and passed the following July Florida Bar Exam. Not fun at all, but soooooo worth it!

1) There is no retina Macbook Air.

2) A Sager is pretty much the opposite of a Macbook. If you like Macbooks, you might instead look at similar Windows/Linux-based laptops when you make a comparison.

3) OSX has no advantage over any other OS released in the last 10 years when it comes to slowing down over time due to "harddrive errors and viruses."

4) Something like a Thinkpad is more likely to last for a long time than a Macbook, especially because it's more serviceable than an Apple product. The Macbook, however, will have better resale value.
 
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Lenovo just started shipping their Helix convertible

http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/c...D=bannerHelix&

It's a little outside your given budget, but it's the machine I've been waiting for personally so I thought I'd mention it. Very few options for a convertible tablet with digitizer pen so I've been waiting for this for a while.

Looks nice, but really, 1700 dollars and no option for mobile broadband? I have a tablet and thought it would be fine with wi-fi only, but I find it a major drawback not to have internet access away from wi-fi such as when on a trip. Is there some sort of usb adapter or broadband card that one can use? I know there are mobile hotspots, but it seems really clunky to have to carry around a separate device for mobile connectivity.
 

jihe

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Looks nice, but really, 1700 dollars and no option for mobile broadband? I have a tablet and thought it would be fine with wi-fi only, but I find it a major drawback not to have internet access away from wi-fi such as when on a trip. Is there some sort of usb adapter or broadband card that one can use? I know there are mobile hotspots, but it seems really clunky to have to carry around a separate device for mobile connectivity.

most smart phones can do it nowadays
 

aceO07

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Lenovo just started shipping their Helix convertible

http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/c...D=bannerHelix&

It's a little outside your given budget, but it's the machine I've been waiting for personally so I thought I'd mention it. Very few options for a convertible tablet with digitizer pen so I've been waiting for this for a while.

The Helix is very nice but the hardware and Windows 8 could be better. I've had one for a couple of weeks so far.

Heat can be an issue if you're using it as a tablet (or laptop) and do any non-light work on it. Hitting 60-70c might not be an issue on a normal laptop, but on a tablet, you'll get to feel that heat much closer to the surface/display. The fans could have been bigger for faster airflow.. also less high pitch whine.

In Windows 8, Microsoft has their own driver for USB3.. and won't let you replace/update it with Intel's drivers. (At least not easily or smoothly.) This is an issue if you have any device that works better with the Intel driver.

The included stylus doesn't have eraser option.
 
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Infohawk

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Is it really going to take that long for Haswell laptops to come out? Some people say they'll be products out as soon as it's officially introduced.
 

RobS10

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Is it really going to take that long for Haswell laptops to come out? Some people say they'll be products out as soon as it's officially introduced.
I'm in a similar situation of needing to get something soon (before the 1st week of August). From what I've been able to dig up, manufacturers have been able to get the processors to start building and testing some models so when Haswell is announced in June there won't be a long wait. I would wait to see what the manufacturers roll out, but pick something you like that's available now as a fallback if the new model you want won't be released until after you need it.
 

Essence_of_War

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WWDC is in a week with possibly a MacBook refresh. You can wait for that.

Yeah, at the very least I'd probably wait for that.

If they announce a retina mac air, or haswell ready to sell in all of their notebooks, I think you'll be set.

Will this laptop be owned by you or your employer? If it will be owned by you, mac for the re-sale value is def something to consider, but if not, I've heard good things both about how user-serviceable their laptops are, and how good the next-day techinician service warranty can be.
 

Dizway

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The haswell notebook news releases have been a big disappointment so far. Manufacturers are releasing new notebooks with the same old body as last year. Same weight, a factional gain in speed and power... nothing new. I'm sure there will be detachable hybrids later this year through next. They were building up (hype) Haswell for so long and consumers will have to wait even longer.
 

RobS10

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The haswell notebook news releases have been a big disappointment so far. Manufacturers are releasing new notebooks with the same old body as last year. Same weight, a factional gain in speed and power... nothing new. I'm sure there will be detachable hybrids later this year through next. They were building up (hype) Haswell for so long and consumers will have to wait even longer.
What models have been released so far, and I thought the big improvements were for laptop battery life first, decent integrated GPU second, no?
 

Dizway

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What models have been released so far, and I thought the big improvements were for laptop battery life first, decent integrated GPU second, no?

So far the Acer S7, Dell XPS12 are refreshed with Haswell, same old body and weight... Yoga, Taichi and Asus Zenbooks will probably follow suit. I'm sure the thin stuff will come later in the year.
 
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