When will ar15 ammo prices drop?

[corwin]

Ohhh Wallywolrd certainly raised prices. Not a whole lot, but they are up. It was $7-8 a box for the cheap 5.56 ammo before December last year. Now it's $9-10 a box. Not a huge increase, but still an increase.

Until recently I always bought the cheap steel case stuff in bulk online for ~$4 a box, which is just a little over $5 still at Wally and available every day now, still can't get a good bulk purchase price online right now...never saw 5.56 that cheap...9mm and .45 are the same price today that I paid the summer of '12 so overall it's back to normal from my perspective, but that could change at any time:\

And cause we were talking about it I just went and grabbed another 3 100rnd boxes of WWB 9mm for $26 each:awe:

 

[Brian Stirling]

Research has shown that theft, black market purchases and straw purchases make up the incredibly vast majority of guns used in crime...the "gun show loophole" is a strawman argument

Well if you read my post I didn't limit it to gun show purchases, let me quote me on this...

"When an individual without a FFL sells a gun they do not have to perform a background check so how could they possibly know if the person they were selling it to is legally able to buy it? If a criminal goes to a gun show or to an individual to buy a gun but the individual selling the gun does not conduct a background check the criminal can get the gun even though they are not legally qualified to buy it.

Getting hard data when there's no law requiring the collection of that data is by design impossible.

I think every gun sale should require a background check and it should not matter if the seller has a FFL or not. Do you think it's a good idea to allow criminals to buy guns?"

I should add that street thugs don't buy directly from gun shows or the individual that owned it legally, but the person that sold it to the street thug bought it from someone who bought it from an individual or gun show where no checks are needed.


Brian

 

[corwin]

Well if you read my post I didn't limit it to gun show purchases, let me quote me on this...

"When an individual without a FFL sells a gun they do not have to perform a background check so how could they possibly know if the person they were selling it to is legally able to buy it? If a criminal goes to a gun show or to an individual to buy a gun but the individual selling the gun does not conduct a background check the criminal can get the gun even though they are not legally qualified to buy it.

Getting hard data when there's no law requiring the collection of that data is by design impossible.

I think every gun sale should require a background check and it should not matter if the seller has a FFL or not. Do you think it's a good idea to allow criminals to buy guns?"

And if you had read mine you would have known that it applies to much more than just guns shows, let me quote me on this...

Research has shown that theft, black market purchases and straw purchases make up the incredibly vast majority of guns used in crime...the "gun show loophole" is a strawman argument

I should add that street thugs don't buy directly from gun shows or the individual that owned it legally, but the person that sold it to the street thug bought it from someone who bought it from an individual or gun show where no checks are needed.

As for this chain of events...LOL...more likely whoever bought it originally was LEGALLY able to (see STRAW PURCHASE) and as such doing a background check was probably done and if not would have not stopped in anyway. Putting unreasonable restrictions on individuals selling their own personal property would have a negligible impact on the illegal gun trade. There is NOTHING that supports private sales as being in any way a major source of illegal guns, saying that it's impossible to research but you're just sure it happens is a cop out, if you have nothing to back it up then it's pretty much in the realm of opinion and hearsay and not admissible or credible in an intelligent debate.

 

[HumblePie]

Until recently I always bought the cheap steel case stuff in bulk online for ~$4 a box, which is just a little over $5 still at Wally and available every day now, still can't get a good bulk purchase price online right now...never saw 5.56 that cheap...9mm and .45 are the same price today that I paid the summer of '12 so overall it's back to normal from my perspective, but that could change at any time:\

And cause we were talking about it I just went and grabbed another 3 100rnd boxes of WWB 9mm for $26 each:awe:

Those boxes were $22 a pop before December 2012

 

[corwin]

Those boxes were $22 a pop before December 2012

You are not that far away from me, how the hell were your stores selling ammo cheaper than mine

 

[HumblePie]

And if you had read mine you would have known that it applies to much more than just guns shows, let me quote me on this...

Research has shown that theft, black market purchases and straw purchases make up the incredibly vast majority of guns used in crime...the "gun show loophole" is a strawman argument


As for this chain of events...LOL...more likely whoever bought it originally was LEGALLY able to (see STRAW PURCHASE) and as such doing a background check was probably done and if not would have not stopped in anyway. Putting unreasonable restrictions on individuals selling their own personal property would have a negligible impact on the illegal gun trade. There is NOTHING that supports private sales as being in any way a major source of illegal guns, saying that it's impossible to research but you're just sure it happens is a cop out, if you have nothing to back it up then it's pretty much in the realm of opinion and hearsay and not admissible or credible in an intelligent debate.

Exactly. Several studies, including questionnaires by the BJS, asked criminals about firearms.

Less than 20% of all people in jail used a firearm for the crime they committed. Of those that used a firearm for a crime, those that had a previous criminal history got their firearms either by theft, from another criminal, or through a straw purchase from a loved one or family member. It was something like 98% were in those three categories of those with a previous criminal history that got a gun to use on another crime got it through those means. Less than 2% actually bought it in another way such as private sales. So we are talking maybe 1 or 2 crimes a year the "gun show loophole" bull crap might help prevent? More than likely just send those 2 criminals to one of the other methods of obtaining a gun instead. It is a red herring and has zero bearing on preventing crime or gun violence.

The whole universal background checks are more for registration than for actual background checks. Again I would have zero problem if a toll free number for "background" checks was created that anyone can call in without having to provide information of the gun being sold, or if the check is even for a gun sale (it could be for something else). Unfortunately that will never ever happen. That is not what the gun control people are pushing for with their universal background check laws. They want universal gun registration which is completely different ball of wax.

 

[HumblePie]

You are not that far away from me, how the hell were your stores selling ammo cheaper than mine

Duno :shrug:

I know that 100 whitebox winnie was like $22 + tax for 9mm before. Heck, even before the prices started jumping up I bought a few for that price. I was buying 9mm for about $.22 a round, i was buying .22LR for about $.03 a round. 5.56 was $.30 a round.

Of course that was prices before taxes for the cheap brass stuff. By the end of January there was a few small price hikes and by February the price hikes at the retail stores went up some more. For example this stuff here:

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/33...ato-55-grain-m193-full-metal-jacket-boat-tail

I was buying for $6 a box plus tax. It went up to 7, then 8, then 9, and now it's $10 a box everywhere. This is just cheap Israeli brass case target ammo.

 

[JDMnAR1]

When an individual without a FFL sells a gun they do not have to perform a background check so how could they possibly know if the person they were selling it to is legally able to buy it? If a criminal goes to a gun show or to an individual to buy a gun but the individual selling the gun does not conduct a background check the criminal can get the gun even though they are not legally qualified to buy it.

Getting hard data when there's no law requiring the collection of that data is by design impossible.

I think every gun sale should require a background check and it should not matter if the seller has a FFL or not. Do you think it's a good idea to allow criminals to buy guns?


Brian

So again - if this behavior (private sale by non-FFL) has the same set of rules applied to it whether at a gun show or a Wal Mart parking lot, where exactly is the "gun show loophole"? I'll tell you where - in the talking points of gun control advocates. It doesn't exist anywhere else.

So in the absence of data you just decided to throw out some baseless assertions that fit your position? Got it.

As other posters have stated, I would support an instant background check system that is freely available to the public to use without going through an FFL that does not record any information - just provides a simple "Yes" or "No" based on the purchasers information. Once you start incorporating other requirements - fees, data retention, etc - such that it is a burden to commerce then it is unacceptable to me.

 

[corwin]

Duno :shrug:

I know that 100 whitebox winnie was like $22 + tax for 9mm before. Heck, even before the prices started jumping up I bought a few for that price. I was buying 9mm for about $.22 a round, i was buying .22LR for about $.03 a round. 5.56 was $.30 a round.

Of course that was prices before taxes for the cheap brass stuff. By the end of January there was a few small price hikes and by February the price hikes at the retail stores went up some more. For example this stuff here:

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/33...ato-55-grain-m193-full-metal-jacket-boat-tail

I was buying for $6 a box plus tax. It went up to 7, then 8, then 9, and now it's $10 a box everywhere. This is just cheap Israeli brass case target ammo.

Damn, prices around here weren't that low pre-panic even...had to do steel case to get it that cheap:'( Not that I have any complaints about steel case ammo, I only have one gun that doesn't care for it and luckily it's a 9mm so brass is still pretty cheap...just all the more reason to stock up now since there is always a chance another panic could hit any day now and panties get all twisted up once again

 

[QuantumPion]

Well if you read my post I didn't limit it to gun show purchases, let me quote me on this...

"When an individual without a FFL sells a gun they do not have to perform a background check so how could they possibly know if the person they were selling it to is legally able to buy it? If a criminal goes to a gun show or to an individual to buy a gun but the individual selling the gun does not conduct a background check the criminal can get the gun even though they are not legally qualified to buy it.

Getting hard data when there's no law requiring the collection of that data is by design impossible.

I think every gun sale should require a background check and it should not matter if the seller has a FFL or not. Do you think it's a good idea to allow criminals to buy guns?"

I should add that street thugs don't buy directly from gun shows or the individual that owned it legally, but the person that sold it to the street thug bought it from someone who bought it from an individual or gun show where no checks are needed.


Brian

Making NICS checks a requirement by law for private sales is pointless, because the people that do straw buys (friends and family of criminals) already know they are breaking the law anyway, and law-abiding people wouldn't sell a gun to a criminal knowingly. However, simply opening public access for people to use NICS if they so chose might be beneficial, for when doing private sales to strangers - if anything just for liability purposes for the buyer.

 

[Svnla]

Duno :shrug:

I know that 100 whitebox winnie was like $22 + tax for 9mm before. Heck, even before the prices started jumping up I bought a few for that price. I was buying 9mm for about $.22 a round, i was buying .22LR for about $.03 a round. 5.56 was $.30 a round.

Of course that was prices before taxes for the cheap brass stuff. By the end of January there was a few small price hikes and by February the price hikes at the retail stores went up some more. For example this stuff here:

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/33...ato-55-grain-m193-full-metal-jacket-boat-tail

I was buying for $6 a box plus tax. It went up to 7, then 8, then 9, and now it's $10 a box everywhere. This is just cheap Israeli brass case target ammo.

Now the very same boxes are $27 plus sale tax from Academy. I know because I just purchased a few boxes recently. :|


I looked and looked and can't get any 9 mm brass case ammo for less than $0.30 per round (after sale tax for local stores), even from internet stores (after shipping cost).

 

[HumblePie]

Damn, prices around here weren't that low pre-panic even...had to do steel case to get it that cheap:'( Not that I have any complaints about steel case ammo, I only have one gun that doesn't care for it and luckily it's a 9mm so brass is still pretty cheap...just all the more reason to stock up now since there is always a chance another panic could hit any day now and panties get all twisted up once again

Even after the price hike, I got some of the 1000 round winchester boxes for $230 + tax in 9mm. Not sure why they are more expensive where you are.