When will NV35 Graphs get corrected?

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Seriously, is Anand unable to recognize the obvious? Those NV35 Antialiasing numbers are flat out wrong...and yet, here we are, some 3+ weeks later, and they still haven't been changed.

Why does he continue to post erroneous performance data?

 

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Bump?

 

[Pete]

Putting aside the many erroneous numbers in that article, where's the Det FX article he promised would be out a week after his 5900U preview?

This total blackout is curious.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Usually the graphs dont get updated once they are done. like driver updates may make a card faster/slower than its competitors, but they dont get updated. why should they be updated becuase of this?

 

[Harabecw]

its different. it lists the card doing AA where it does not.

 

[Jeff7181]

You expect AnandTech to go through every article they ever wrote and correct information that was found to be inaccurate later on? Talk about anal...

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
You expect AnandTech to go through every article they ever wrote and correct information that was found to be inaccurate later on? Talk about anal...

Yeh, they also need to update the info about when the voodoo5 6000 is going to be released. his dates are WAY off.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
You expect AnandTech to go through every article they ever wrote and correct information that was found to be inaccurate later on? Talk about anal...

Coverage of the best nvidia cards and an error that was pointed out the same day. Seems like more than a minor point to anyone trying to choose between NV35 and an 9800.

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
You expect AnandTech to go through every article they ever wrote and correct information that was found to be inaccurate later on? Talk about anal...

Coverage of the best nvidia cards and an error that was pointed out the same day. Seems like more than a minor point to anyone trying to choose between NV35 and an 9800.

Where?

 

[SilverTrine]

Anand covered Quack why not this?

 

[jjjayb]

Where?

I his splinter cell numbers which are supposed to show Nv35 Vs. 9800 with AA and AF, he does not have AA turned on for the NV35. The Nv35 drivers automatically disable AA for splinter cell because AA is buggy in splinter cell. He also dedicated a half a page to say that Ati's drivers were buggy because they caused lighting issues with splinter cells. He included a nice big picture to support this. As was pointed out to him, this happens with any card that uses Multisample AA, including the gforce line, if you actually have AA turned on. I sent him an email pointing this out to him the very first day the article was published. I sent 2 more e-mails on the next 2 days. We also brought this up in the "discuss this article" thread. Evan Lieb posted that they would look into it. That was 2 weeks ago. Since then the only thing that has happened is that entire thread has been deleted. I think they should have deleted the erroneous information in the article.

You expect AnandTech to go through every article they ever wrote and correct information that was found to be inaccurate later on? Talk about anal...

This was not found "later on". This erroneous information was pointed out to him the day the article was released. To refuse to fix errors in your article is the only thing anal here. These are not minor little errors. They are major errors that should have been corrected immediately.

 

[Rand]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
You expect AnandTech to go through every article they ever wrote and correct information that was found to be inaccurate later on? Talk about anal...

Considering the said about two weeks ago it's being looked into and will be corrected immediately I'd say his expectations are understandable.
In this instance at least two of the errors in AT's review were quite blatant and should have been obvious before publication in any case.

The later removal of the thread dedicated towards the article in which many were complaining has at least a few individuals on others forums suspicious.
While I personally have a respectable degree of faith in AT it is understandable why some would find their blackout of any information a touch... unusual.

For all of AT's good points, fixing errors in past articles has never been their strong point however so i can't honestly say this is at all unusual for them given past history.

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: jjjayb

Where?

I his splinter cell numbers which are supposed to show Nv35 Vs. 9800 with AA and AF, he does not have AA turned on for the NV35. The Nv35 drivers automatically disable AA for splinter cell because AA is buggy in splinter cell. He also dedicated a half a page to say that Ati's drivers were buggy because they caused lighting issues with splinter cells. He included a nice big picture to support this. As was pointed out to him, this happens with any card that uses Multisample AA, including the gforce line, if you actually have AA turned on. I sent him an email pointing this out to him the very first day the article was published. I sent 2 more e-mails on the next 2 days. We also brought this up in the "discuss this article" thread. Evan Lieb posted that they would look into it. That was 2 weeks ago. Since then the only thing that has happened is that entire thread has been deleted. I think they should have deleted the erroneous information in the article.

You expect AnandTech to go through every article they ever wrote and correct information that was found to be inaccurate later on? Talk about anal...

This was not found "later on". This erroneous information was pointed out to him the day the article was released. To refuse to fix errors in your article is the only thing anal here. These are not minor little errors. They are major errors that should have been corrected immediately.

Oh, nevermind... I asked where cause I thought you were referring to a different article that was corrected... must have misread what you said.

 

[ginfest]

The later removal of the thread dedicated towards the article in which many were complaining has at least a few individuals on others forums suspicious.

Suspicious? The reason for this post is more than "suspicion".
The thread starter is one of the "gang" of posters from a certain forum, who have taken upon themselves (with backing from certain posters at that forum who in fact work for or with ATI) to go forth thruout the web and rip any and all NV products and any tech site that doesn't print they percieve to be the truth will in turn get ripped.
Ya there will be all kinds of denials to this but I read at least 5 of the top forums (including that one) and newsgroups daily and have been watching this "drama" unfold for months.
To wit: anything NV, whether hardware or drivers s**ks, any1 who likes or wants to buy NV is a fool,
any HW sites who find that the NV offering is somehow "better" than the ATI offering are "on the take", " lousy benchmarking practices", "without ethics", etc
And for any1 who has a problem(s) running any ATI card/drivers combo, it's either a PBKAC, bad power supply, bad mainboard, bad OS, bad DX, bad coding, and on and on but never the videocard or drivers that don't work!

It's been day after day, month after month, here and everywhere else, it's just never ends. What they don't realize is that approx 85% of the people who buy hardware don't see the propaganda and that NV is still outselling ATI by a wide margin in spite of this "campaign".

You watch, if it hasn't already started - there will be a steady rise in anti-Anandtech posts by these people unless he does change his review. They're doing it to Hocp and now even Futuremark is suddenly s**k because they refuse to say NV "cheated" but the Inquirer, ET and B3D are rightgeous because those site see the evil that is NV!
As I said anyone or site or company who disagrees that ATI is the "king" of all things video will feel the rath of these people-it's a real riot

Mike G

 

[Megatomic]

Fortunately the crowd here at AnandTech, with a few notable exceptions, are not blabbering fanATIcs. I could give a rat's arse about this whole matter. It is fun to stir the pot though. Anyways, I don't think this is going to blow up like it would at other sites since we have a wide range of interests here. There is more to talk about than video cards and one louzy benchmark.

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: Megatomic
Fortunately the crowd here at AnandTech, with a few notable exceptions, are not blabbering fanATIcs. I could give a rat's arse about this whole matter. It is fun to stir the pot though. Anyways, I don't think this is going to blow up like it would at other sites since we have a wide range of interests here. There is more to talk about than video cards and one louzy benchmark.

A lot of people like to point fingers and scream at the top of their lungs when something's not right. I'm more the type of person who tries to figure out what's not right, and why it's not right. In this case, there's a rational explanation, nVidia's philosophy on how to increase performance differs from someone else's. So what? That's what creates healthy competition between manufacturers... unfortunately it also creates a bunch of whiners who are telling their mommy that nVidia cheated.

But the more important thing is that 3DMark is a synthetic benchmark, it always has been, and it always will be. If you're a die hard Quake gamer, why on earth would you look at 3DMark scores to determine how well Quake will run on certain hardware?

It all boils down to the old as dirt saying, "caveat emptor," buyer beware. Do some research before you buy something, get other people's opinions who actually own it. Don't just look at a few numbers and say "dis card is phat dawg... gimme two"

 

[Richdog]

For the amount of people on this site who claim anandtech can do no wrong this must come as a shocking blow. I hope the coucelling proves effective. Me? Im off to read THG (Falls as anandtech user wielding sharp knife releases a bloodcurdling yell and stabs me).

 

[GTaudiophile]

In light of the recent FutureMark fiasco, I'm sure nVidia is paying top-dollar to LOTS of people to enure that previous, positive reviews of NV35 are not changed.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
In light of the recent FutureMark fiasco, I'm sure nVidia is paying top-dollar to LOTS of people to enure that previous, positive reviews of NV35 are not changed.

if nvidia is paying anand off then why is there all that pro ati stuff in his reviews?

 

[SilverTrine]

ATi pumps plenty of ad $$ into Anandtech too. If I were ATi, I would be emailing Anand saying 'Oi you covered the Quack thing, why arent you covering this or at least taking down erroneous benchmarks'. Anandtech has lost a lot of credibilty over the way they're handling this.(or rather not handling just ignoring).

 

[muzz]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
Usually the graphs dont get updated once they are done. like driver updates may make a card faster/slower than its competitors, but they dont get updated. why should they be updated becuase of this?

First of all it isd erroneous information, and they are the reviewer ofsaid gear.

Secondly this hurts folks at another camp with these bogus scores, they are losing sales because folks are awaiting a card under false information.
R+D costs $, and they lose $ over bogus info, and NV has alot more $ than ATi.

 

[muzz]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
You expect AnandTech to go through every article they ever wrote and correct information that was found to be inaccurate later on? Talk about anal...

Take a look at the scores, ANAL?
Do you have any clue what drives sales?
How do you think they pay for R+D on their NEXT chips?
Santa Claus?
Get real.

 

[muzz]

Originally posted by: Ginfest

The later removal of the thread dedicated towards the article in which many were complaining has at least a few individuals on others forums suspicious.

Suspicious? The reason for this post is more than "suspicion".
The thread starter is one of the "gang" of posters from a certain forum, who have taken upon themselves (with backing from certain posters at that forum who in fact work for or with ATI) to go forth thruout the web and rip any and all NV products and any tech site that doesn't print they percieve to be the truth will in turn get ripped.
Ya there will be all kinds of denials to this but I read at least 5 of the top forums (including that one) and newsgroups daily and have been watching this "drama" unfold for months.
To wit: anything NV, whether hardware or drivers s**ks, any1 who likes or wants to buy NV is a fool,
any HW sites who find that the NV offering is somehow "better" than the ATI offering are "on the take", " lousy benchmarking practices", "without ethics", etc
And for any1 who has a problem(s) running any ATI card/drivers combo, it's either a PBKAC, bad power supply, bad mainboard, bad OS, bad DX, bad coding, and on and on but never the videocard or drivers that don't work!

It's been day after day, month after month, here and everywhere else, it's just never ends. What they don't realize is that approx 85% of the people who buy hardware don't see the propaganda and that NV is still outselling ATI by a wide margin in spite of this "campaign".

You watch, if it hasn't already started - there will be a steady rise in anti-Anandtech posts by these people unless he does change his review. They're doing it to Hocp and now even Futuremark is suddenly s**k because they refuse to say NV "cheated" but the Inquirer, ET and B3D are rightgeous because those site see the evil that is NV!
As I said anyone or site or company who disagrees that ATI is the "king" of all things video will feel the rath of these people-it's a real riot

Mike G

Mike do you live under a rock?
Talk about fanboyism.
So what you are saying is bogus info is OK?
I have some Enron stock for you.........

 

[Chobits]

I thought ATI had more money and was a bigger company thant Nvidia due to the fact that ATI owns the business OEM market by shipping really cheap cards that do the job.


But you are right...Normally I wouldn't think of AT as being biased (I love how on intel vs amd they do a good job being as unbiased as possible) but in this situation it does make sense...

 

[muzz]

Maybe we live in fantasy land here.... I dunno.
All hail the almighty AT...
Gimme a break, they are resonsible for producing UNBIASED and TRUTHFUL/ACCURATE reviews.
This isn't .........PERIOD.