When will NV35 Graphs get corrected?

[spanky]

Originally posted by: Chobits
I thought ATI had more money and was a bigger company thant Nvidia due to the fact that ATI owns the business OEM market by shipping really cheap cards that do the job.


But you are right...Normally I wouldn't think of AT as being biased (I love how on intel vs amd they do a good job being as unbiased as possible) but in this situation it does make sense...

last i heard... nv was bigger then ati. they have more money too. and they are ahead of ati in the oem dept now. or so i heard....

 

[Jeff7181]

Wow... the Video forum kinda went to hell

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Wow... the Video forum kinda went to hell

:evil:

 

[jjjayb]

A lot of people like to point fingers and scream at the top of their lungs when something's not right. I'm more the type of person who tries to figure out what's not right, and why it's not right. In this case, there's a rational explanation, nVidia's philosophy on how to increase performance differs from someone else's. So what? That's what creates healthy competition between manufacturers... unfortunately it also creates a bunch of whiners who are telling their mommy that nVidia cheated.

What the heck does 3dmark have to do with this thread? This isn't a thread about 3dmark or about Nvidia.

This is about Anand's article still having irresponsible errors 3 weeks after the article was published and pointed out to him. The man should take some damn pride in his work and fix the blatant errors he still has published for all to see. He posted benchmark scores with AA only actually being on for one of the cards in 2 of his tests. Considering he only benched 6 games total, that's 1/3rd of the game benches.

You seriously see no problem with having such glaring errors in 1/3rd of the tests run still not being corrected? These are not minor errors. Having AA on for only one of the 2 cards tested in AA performance tests is a huge error. Having these errors on 1/3 of your tests is even worse.

And to those who say Anand doesn't update his articles. Look back to the nv30 review. It got updated pretty quickly to say that the Nv30 screen shots may not be representative of actual quality due to post filter effects. That the screen shots may not look as good as the image when you are actually playing. He was right to update the article then, as it was necessary to point out that the screenshots may have been misleading. He should do the right thing now also as the numbers in 1/3 of his tests are definitely misleading.

 

[Pete]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
Usually the graphs dont get updated once they are done. like driver updates may make a card faster/slower than its competitors, but they dont get updated. why should they be updated becuase of this?

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
You expect AnandTech to go through every article they ever wrote and correct information that was found to be inaccurate later on? Talk about anal...

You two are kidding, right?

 

[Rand]

Originally posted by: jjjayb

And to those who say Anand doesn't update his articles. Look back to the nv30 review.

He does on occasion, but occasionally is not frequent enough. He has a bad habit of leaving errors in the articles a little too often.

Suspicious? The reason for this post is more than "suspicion". The thread starter is one of the "gang" of posters from a certain forum, who have taken upon themselves (with backing from certain posters at that forum who in fact work for or with ATI) to go forth thruout the web and rip any and all NV products and any tech site that doesn't print they percieve to be the truth will in turn get ripped.

I've noticed the creator of this thread post similar comments over at another forum but beyond that I really know nothing of him or his opinion of nVidia/ATi.
Frankly I'm not sure it matters if he's an ATi fanboy, impartial or a fanboy of another company.
His credibility isnt in question because it really doesnt matter.

The point of this thread is when the article will be updated, and why has it taken this long to do so?
If it will not be updated why is that?

The authors reasoning for asking such questions really doesnt matter much. He may be asking because he hates Anand, he may be asking because he hates nVidia or he may merely be curious.
None of that removes the validity of his questions.

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh Usually the graphs dont get updated once they are done. like driver updates may make a card faster/slower than its competitors, but they dont get updated. why should they be updated becuase of this?

They should be updated because they were clearly and blatantly inaccurate at the time of publication. Some of the errors should have been obvious as soon as the results were finished.

Updating an article if newer drivers improve/decrase performance is an entirely different matter. The article would have no need to be updated as it would have been accurate upon initial publication assuming they utilized the latest drivers available then.
One cannot expect the article to always be fully accurate at any given point in time.... only that it's accurate as of that date it's published.

 

[muzz]

Thats correct....... and it's not an accurate reflection of what is really happening now is it.

 

[lopri]

Although I appreciate the folks who pointed out Anand's error, (I'm still waiting for retail reviews of 5900U from major review sites) it's becoming somewhat irritating to see posts that are crying about a 1-month old preview. I believe Anand made a mistake (either erroneously or intentionally) and also belive we, forumers, are not too stupid to believe in a perfection of a review.

Like many AT forumers, I visit several hardware sites before I make my buying decisions, and eventually buy a product based on my own judgement. I think it's everybody's way to do things. Again, AT's 5900U preview is certainly a bit off, and currently all the reviews about 5900U on the net seem scarce and full of irregularity. This certainly doesn't look good for nVidia, and me. (I was waiting for 5800U and now have been waiting for 5900U. )

What I feel, however, is there actually are people that use the forum on different purposes. They go all over and spam posts on multiple forums with same content, indicating they intend to offense and gain a "victory" over the others. I, a smart consumer and a sound forummer, do not appreciate it. Information and enlightment is always appreciated, but not politics - there are politics forum in AT, why not go there and spam each other?

Why Anand doesn't make corrections/appologies? I don't know. Actually I have an idea but it's just my pure guessing so I'd better not disclose it. However, It's very annoying and to some extent disgusting to see somebody hopping around forums and posting same insults over and over again. Anand lost some credit on that review but I've never trusted whole-heartedly any reviews from anybody so it doesn't much matter. And I don't think any of current 5900U reviews are reliable anyway.

People, please keep your politics in yourselves, or at least in the politics forum. I hate to see you anywhere else.

lop

PS. Just to prevent any misunderstanding and labeling on me, the reason I've been waiting for 5900U is I couldn't make the AIW 9700 to work on my system. Whether I got a defective card or it's a driver issue, is not clear but I lost patience after 2 times of reformatting. I consider myself to be a smart buyer and unbiased (trying) observer.

 

[Schadenfroh]

When will NV35 Graphs get corrected?

The same time you are!

 

Ever hear the word, nitpick? LOL
Get over it.

 

[merlocka]

LOL. The guy raises a very valid point, and people (who previously had no idea the article was in error) tell him that he's anal instead of thanks for pointing out an error in the article.

duh.

 

[lopri]

The guy raises a very valid point, and people (who previously had no idea the article was in error) tell him that he's anal instead of thanks for pointing out an error in the article.

If you see his behavior, it's way beyond "pointing out an error in the article." and that's why I don't want to see his posts any more. I appreciated when he first pointed it out, and actually it has affected my decision - that is, I postponed my 5900U purchase and am waiting for more retail reviews. However, his behavior after the initial post is quite... ahem.. rectal....

 

[BenSkywalker]

This is about Anand's article still having irresponsible errors 3 weeks after the article was published and pointed out to him.

He has irresponsible errors regularly in his vid card reviews, and rarely if ever corrects them. Look back to his R300 core reviews when looking at the comments between the 'quality' and 'performance' modes, no noticeable differences...??? He has the nV35 review and uses a game for AA benches that does not work with MSAA, something that is not only not a big secret, it has been talked about by the developers numerous times in public forums.

His lack of coverage for the 3DM2K3 issues I can understand. The difference between it and 'Quack' was that Anand was fooled by the 'Quack' hack while he obviously wasn't by the 3DM2K3 one(as he doesn't use the bench). He has demonstrated a disturbing ability, however, to completely miss issues that are widely known amongst even many of the less informed members on these boards.

As far as the poster who initiated the topic, I know on the other forums he posts on you can expect a reply from the folks that wrote the review in the first place. More then likely Typedef was looking for an explenation from Anand when posting this thread.

 

[Richdog]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
You expect AnandTech to go through every article they ever wrote and correct information that was found to be inaccurate later on? Talk about anal...

If he is providing information that is to be reliable and trusted, then hell yes he should listen to feedback and correct his mistakes, the amount of people who use this site and rely on it for their benchmarks etc deserve nothing less. :beer:

 

[Pete]

Wellichy, wellichy, wellichy....

It's been a while. Has Anand commented on this at all? Perhaps I've missed it.