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MrSquished

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STFU

Kindly

He asked for a supporting link to a grandiose claim by the guy (Day one executive order by Biden killed our oil industry with a day one executive order) and he refuses to post it, so he calls him out quite politely, and you tell him to STFU?

You lack any intellectual credibility and any critical thinking skills. What a joke right wingers have become. Dragging the level of intelligence in this country down the tubes so rapidly.

Please. Post the link and explain how Biden destroyed our oil industry with a day one executive order. We await. And we will await forever, since the right wing in this country is totally bonkers.
 
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Torn Mind

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3. Which also begs the question, should the Unites States be the world's policeman? We spent like $300 million dollars a day for 20 years straight in Afghanistan & it didn't end so well for them OR for us. That's over 2 trillion dollars. Imagine using that money to solve homelessness, help people overcome addiction, pay off ALL private & public student loans (under $140 billion!) to create a bright future for our country through the next generation of kids, setup universal basic healthcare & universal basic income to get people healthy & help lift them out of poverty, bring manufacturing back to America through incentives in order to help us be independent on the global business board, etc. On the flip side, remember what happened last time we ignored what was brewing on the other side of the world? (re: Hitler)
The U.S already are by virtue of WWII and the fact that Europe was a Pearl Harbor bombing away from being fucked into a mega-Germania and Italy duopoly back then. The U.S's threat of force and economic sway via economic might are very much the two things that keeps other adversaries from getting too aggressive. The failed nation building wars are more of a matter of failed "policing" tactics rather than whether the U.S should or should not police in toto.

Like actual cops, there are some benefits America enjoys because it is indeed top cop.

The ancient American isolationist streak is always fascinating to see when it manifests because isolationism in practice already died after WWII.

This doesn't mean we should go send troops into Ukraine because it might be way too tactically disadvantageous to do so. But if Russia is going to get a resource megaprize(Ukraine got a lot of untapped lithium along with elements, minerals, fossil fuels), the U.S better coordinate a multi-faceted counterstrike that goes beyond just warfare.
 

Spacehead

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He asked for a supporting link to a grandiose claim by the guy (Day one executive order by Biden killed our oil industry with a day one executive order) and he refuses to post it, so he calls him out quite politely, and you tell him to STFU?

You lack any intellectual credibility and any critical thinking skills. What a joke right wingers have become. Dragging the level of intelligence in this country down the tubes so rapidly.

Please. Post the link and explain how Biden destroyed our oil industry with a day one executive order. We await. And we will await forever, since the right wing in this country is totally bonkers.
I assume they are referring to this:
Executive Order 13990

I get to hear all about this stuff at work. "Biden killed the US oil industry"... "the US imports most of our oil from Russia now" blah blah blah.
Yeah, the XL portion of the pipeline would have added US oil into the mix from Canada but i doubt we(the US) aren't producing any oil. To be honest i don't really know, i don't follow this kinda stuff closely.
 

MrSquished

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I assume they are referring to this:
Executive Order 13990

I get to hear all about this stuff at work. "Biden killed the US oil industry"... "the US imports most of our oil from Russia now" blah blah blah.
Yeah, the XL portion of the pipeline would have added US oil into the mix from Canada but i doubt we(the US) aren't producing any oil. To be honest i don't really know, i don't follow this kinda stuff closely.
They are ignorant idiots or intentional liars, like their cult leader Trump. Like the majority of right wingers. The US gets about 8% of oil from Russia. So all they are spreading is propaganda, destroying our acuity to function as a good people. Which is evil



Also don't forget, we have massive reserves. And Russia also needs money. So yes while they can cut off oil exports, it's not like they will be unscathed either. Also the Gulf States will do what's best for them.

But facts and thinking are allergies of the right. It's obscene how they do nothing but lie and spread misinformation. Ignorance is no longer an excuse. They are contributing to the intellectual destruction of a nation. They are bad hombres.
 
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Kaido

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Unreal. Just unreal. Also, I can't wrap my head around that I'm sitting here in a snowstorm, I've got a warm house, Netflix up on the TV, have some yummy food cooking up in the Instant Pot, and I'm watching real-time HD footage of this crazy, stupid war going on in the Ukraine. I mean, what do you do? How do you physically help these people? Makes me feel both guilty & extremely privileged to live in America.

 

brianmanahan

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3. Which also begs the question, should the Unites States be the world's policeman?

people want it when it goes well, and they don't want it when it goes badly

the wall street journal op-eds have complained about the US covering for the world in the past

but today the editorial board was like "this is what you get when pax americana goes away!"

it feels like a lose-lose.
 
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Kaido

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people want it when it goes well, and they don't want it when it goes badly

the wall street journal op-eds have complained about the US covering for the world in the past

but today the editorial board was like "this is what you get when pax americana goes away!"

it feels like a lose-lose.

I'm still just trying to wrap my mind around $300 million a day for 20 years in Afghanistan. More than one person has a pretty nice yacht by now!
 

MrSquished

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people want it when it goes well, and they don't want it when it goes badly

the wall street journal op-eds have complained about the US covering for the world in the past

but today the editorial board was like "this is what you get when pax americana goes away!"

it feels like a lose-lose.
There are good battles and bad battles. Overthrowing democracies and installing dictators friendly to US corporate interests not so good. Like we did in so many south and central American countries. Or even like we helped the Brits with in Iran with Mossadegh.

Stopping a short tyrant in Putin invading a democratic European nation, that's clearly good.

There are some pretty easily drawn lines. Most Americans have no idea of the evil we have supported overseas, especially in central and south America.
 
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manly

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I assume they are referring to this:
Executive Order 13990

I get to hear all about this stuff at work. "Biden killed the US oil industry"... "the US imports most of our oil from Russia now" blah blah blah.
Yeah, the XL portion of the pipeline would have added US oil into the mix from Canada but i doubt we(the US) aren't producing any oil. To be honest i don't really know, i don't follow this kinda stuff closely.


The U.S. has been #1 in the production of crude oil for several years, with 2020 being the last year of data. Most likely when 2021 is reported, we're still #1 but at worst we're top 3. If you added in biofuels and other liquid petroleum products extracted during fracking, we're way ahead of everyone else.

Conservatards just regurgitate whatever they heard on Tucker Carlson or read on social media, and will rarely answer you with verifiable facts. Everything they don't like is Joe Biden's fault, such as when ultimatebob claimed Biden said in a December speech that COVID vaccines are a "shield" against transmission. Biden never said nor implied any such thing. When called out on the BS, they won't retract the lies; but will just wait for the next time to falsely accuse Democrats of bad acts.

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people want it when it goes well, and they don't want it when it goes badly

the wall street journal op-eds have complained about the US covering for the world in the past

but today the editorial board was like "this is what you get when pax americana goes away!"

it feels like a lose-lose.
The WSJ is owned by Rupert Murdoch.
 

brianmanahan

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The WSJ is owned by Rupert Murdoch.

yeah i mainly read WSJ for the market news, which is generally unbiased (or at least cares only about the money)

occasionally i get drawn into the op-eds and they almost always try to look at a situation from a certain angle to blame or praise someone, even if it contradicts their stance from a few months or few years ago.
 
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MrSquished

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Lol....libtard. This is from CNN your favorite left leaning favorite news channel:

Blah blah blah stfu

That says nothing of the sort. You stated

Knowing that Biden killed his own oil industry

The fact that we have to reply to such blatant idiotic liars is just so time consuming. First of all the XL pipeline was a Canadian inspired project mostly for Canadian tar sand extraction, with some American crude being put in the mix further down the pipeline, so no, you have zero idea what you are talking about. It's not like that American crude isn't still going to get to production, it's just not going to happen in that Canadian driven pipeline. Also let's look at US oil production in the last years:


You can see the big dip when Covid hit, but since the Biden administration took over, only trending back up, due to demand rising again, but clearly the production capacity is still there, and is still above most of the years of US oil production in the last 30 years. Man if Biden killed the oil industry, where the hell are your goddamn facts?

Also US oil production is only rising and expected to hit record levels. This is all because the US oil industry is on a solid foundation and moving on up, sans the Canadian pipeline.


"Oil output will average 12.6 million barrels a day in 2023, an increase from its previous estimate of 12.41 million, according to Energy Information Administration data. The current annual all-time high of 12.3 million barrels a day was set in 2019. This year’s production forecast was also revised higher to 11.97 million barrels a day from an earlier projection of 11.8 million, the EIA said in its monthly Short-Term Energy Outlook report."


"Domestic production will rise to 12.6 million barrels daily in 2023, or 600,000 more barrels than in 2022, the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) forecast this week. That would surpass the previous record production of 12.2 million barrels in 2019.

The increase in 2023 shows a recovery in oil pumping from the massive decline early on during the COVID-19 pandemic, when oil prices dropped below $19. Crude oil is currently at around $91 a barrel.

The EIA attributed much of the expected gains to new wells in the Permian Basin, in West Texas and Southeast New Mexico. The agency said that there were about 220 oil rigs added in the lower 48 states, and 114 of those were in the Permian region.

The EIA expects that Permian Basin will produce 5.3 million barrels daily in 2022, increasing to 5.7 million barrels the next year."





- The fact you spout such dangerous lies repeatedly is just terrible. You can't claim ignorance as an excuse, you purposely spread propaganda. That's just not something decent people do.
 
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GrumpyMan

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The mid-terms are coming up. We will see what America thinks about the Biden administration and policies then. Stay tuned into whatever news organization you happen to listen to.
 
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Torn Mind

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Killing Keystone didn't kill oil. But it made a Canada's bosses sad. Trudeau wanted it but the U.S could live without it.
 
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BudAshes

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The mid-terms are coming up. We will see what America thinks about the Biden administration and policies then. Stay tuned into whatever news organization you happen to listen to.

I read and form my own opinion. I'm not into news as entertainment. If I want to watch a team sport I will watch football.
 
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GrumpyMan

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I read and form my own opinion. I'm not into news as entertainment. If I want to watch a team sport I will watch football.
Excellent, I'm very happy for you. And well stated "MrSquisded" with nice talking points. No one here will change my views and I won't change yours for sure. Don't forget to vote people.
 
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MrSquished

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Excellent, I'm very happy for you. And well stated "MrSquisded" with nice talking points. No one here will change my views and I won't change yours for sure. Don't forget to vote people.
It's disturbing how easily right-wing loons call hard data and facts and numbers simple talking points and just dismiss them. These people are scary. When people start to dismiss reality in order to justify a worldview completely divorced from reality that's when really bad things happen. Horrible things. All throughout history. That's why these people are dangerous and terrible.
 
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Wreckem

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You are smoking crack if you think stopping Keystone XL impacted US oil production. XL has almost nothing to do with American oil. It was meant to get tar sand oil transported to America ports so Canada could export them to the rest of the world.

The only thing that kills Americans oil is low oil prices. The oil industry was crushed by Covid prior to Biden taking office. Let’s not forget when oil went negative during March of 2020. Those who remain will feast off of high oil prices. Just like they always do in their feast and famine industry.
 
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MrSquished

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You are smoking crack if you think stopping Keystone XL impacted US oil production. XL has almost nothing to do with American oil. It was meant to get tar sand oil transported to America ports so Canada could export them to the rest of the world.

The only thing that kills Americans oil is low oil prices. The oil industry was crushed by Covid prior to Biden taking office. Let’s not forget when oil went negative during March of 2020. Those who remain will feast off of high oil prices. Just like they always do in their feast and famine industry.

It's not crack, it's a deep desire to live outside of reality so they can justify a terrible worldview and policies and plan for the country.
 
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BudAshes

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One notable change, experts told the Times, is Putin's demeanor after two years of the global pandemic. After Putin's long-term dedication to self-isolating, he "appeared to become more aggrieved and more emotional, and increasingly spoke about his mission in stark historical terms." Political scientist Gleb O. Pavlovsky, who was once a close adviser to Putin, said "he's become an isolated man, more isolated than Stalin was," and described being stunned by Putin's "dark description of Ukraine as a dire threat to Russia," per the Times.
Another political analyst, Tatiana Stanovaya, agreed Putin has "become less pragmatic, and more emotional." After years of projecting calm strength, she and much of the "ruling elite around" Putin were astounded by the "shift" away from pragmatic strategy. Stanovaya said even Putin's inner circle did not realize Russia was actually hurtling toward war until it was too late. The New York Times.

This is an interesting take. The mental health effects of COVID may end up taking more lives than the virus itself.
 
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BudAshes

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Excellent, I'm very happy for you. And well stated "MrSquisded" with nice talking points. No one here will change my views and I won't change yours for sure. Don't forget to vote people.

You can change my mind if you have something to say. The day you stop learning and evolving you become just an automaton simulating life. I don't think either of us is there yet.
 
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