When will the MADDness end?

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: joshsquall
You need to get in touch with reality, and you need a ban for personal attacks.

People drink 1 or 2 beers and drive perfectly fine and unimpaired all the time. Hell, tired driving has been proven to be much worse than even very drunken driving. There is a reason that .08 is the legal limit, not .00.

I agree. Also, I agree that .08 is much too low.

Why because you like to drink and drive?

 

[aircooled]

If he blew a .07 and got a DUI then he needs a lawyer.

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Just heard that a family friend of ours got busted for a DUI. Costed him over $6,000 and a hell of a lot more...here's the story.

Drove home after having a couple drinks...made it to his house, and the police pulled him over for having a cracked tail light....not for driving poorly. They asked if he'd been drinking and he said "yeah, a couple" and he was asked to give a breathylizer...he does and he blows a .07...and police decide he shouldn't have been driving and decided to give him a DUI anyway.

There is no way that ANY ONE of you guys are going to convince me that the motivation behind DUI laws is to protect people. It's for money....this is proof.

Anyone who drives after drinking at all should receive way worse than some fines.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: jjyiz28

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: Pepsi90919
YOU SHOULD NOT BE DRINKING AND DRIVING

i don't care what the laws are. you are affecting MY life.

There are reckless driving tickets (around $1,000 and a night in jail). If you are driving reckless for whatever reason (including drinking), you should get charged with reckless driving. If you are not driving recklessly (even after several drinks), where's the problem? The problem is that the state can't make as much money off of good hard-working middle class people.

i agree.. and if you are racing someone onthe streets, and get caught, it should be reckless driving, or speeding, but not 'racing'..

its like if a white guy kills a black guy..but gets an extra charge added to it, hate crime,

No, I'd say racing is much like driving under the influence. It's thinking you're better than everyone else, and not caring who gets hurt or killed as long as you get to do what you want. As far as I'm concerned, take their licenses for life and toss em in prison for 10-20 years to let them mature a bit.

Driving is being responsible for a lethal weapon. It's a very serious matter and should carry very serious consequences when people refuse to treat it with respect.

 

[MotionMan]

Just curious:
Anyone here over the age of 25 who supports driving after drinking?

Anyone here who has lost a loved one to an alcohol-impared driver who supports diving after drinking?

Anyone here who supports driving after drinking who believes that having alcohol in your system does not affect you reflexes or decision-making ability?

MotionMan

 

[Eos]

Originally posted by: MotionMan
Just curious:
Anyone here over the age of 25 who supports driving after drinking?

Anyone here who has lost a loved one to an alcohol-impared driver who supports diving after drinking?

Anyone here who supports driving after drinking who believes that having alcohol in your system does not affect you reflexes or decision-making ability?

MotionMan

<crickets>

 

[ballmode]

Dewwys are FTL

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: eos

Originally posted by: MotionMan
Just curious:
Anyone here over the age of 25 who supports driving after drinking?

Anyone here who has lost a loved one to an alcohol-impared driver who supports diving after drinking?

Anyone here who supports driving after drinking who believes that having alcohol in your system does not affect you reflexes or decision-making ability?

MotionMan

<crickets>

See, that's a tough one. Obviously it's never BETTER to drive after drinking, but that doesn't mean it's not possible. Driving a sports car = higher chance of fatal crash. Listening to music = higher chance of fatal crash. Eating/drinking while driving = higher chance of fatal crash. Not replacing brake-pads regularly (which very few people do) = higher chance of fatal crash. These are all uneccesary things to do while driving, should they all be outlawed?

There will always be people who have some drinks and then drive. It's common...people drive home after they drink and there is absolutley no meter to tell how drunk somebody is.

Having had a couple drinks (within the legal limit), I will sometimes drive. It didn't make me want to run stop signs at 90mph, drive on the sidewalk, swerve, etc. It makes me scared out of my mind that my complete life could be ruined, though. We shouldn't live with that kind of fear.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: eos

Originally posted by: MotionMan
Just curious:
Anyone here over the age of 25 who supports driving after drinking?

Anyone here who has lost a loved one to an alcohol-impared driver who supports diving after drinking?

Anyone here who supports driving after drinking who believes that having alcohol in your system does not affect you reflexes or decision-making ability?

MotionMan

<crickets>

See, that's a tough one. Obviously it's never BETTER to drive after drinking, but that doesn't mean it's not possible. Driving a sports car = higher chance of fatal crash. Listening to music = higher chance of fatal crash. Eating/drinking while driving = higher chance of fatal crash. Not replacing brake-pads regularly (which very few people do) = higher chance of fatal crash. These are all uneccesary things to do while driving, should they all be outlawed?

There will always be people who have some drinks and then drive. It's common...people drive home after they drink and there is absolutley no meter to tell how drunk somebody is.

Having had a couple drinks (within the legal limit), I will sometimes drive. It didn't make me want to run stop signs at 90mph, drive on the sidewalk, swerve, etc. It makes me scared out of my mind that my complete life could be ruined, though. We shouldn't live with that kind of fear.

Then quit being an arrogant, self-centered, bastard and don't f'ing do it any more. Then there'll be no fear whatsoever. See how easy that was?

Seriously, you aren't special, or important (and neither am I, nor anyone else). You don't have one bit more right to anything than does anyone else on this planet. So quit putting yourself first.

 

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: eos

Originally posted by: MotionMan
Just curious:
Anyone here over the age of 25 who supports driving after drinking?

Anyone here who has lost a loved one to an alcohol-impared driver who supports diving after drinking?

Anyone here who supports driving after drinking who believes that having alcohol in your system does not affect you reflexes or decision-making ability?

MotionMan

<crickets>

See, that's a tough one. Obviously it's never BETTER to drive after drinking, but that doesn't mean it's not possible. Driving a sports car = higher chance of fatal crash. Listening to music = higher chance of fatal crash. Eating/drinking while driving = higher chance of fatal crash. Not replacing brake-pads regularly (which very few people do) = higher chance of fatal crash. These are all uneccesary things to do while driving, should they all be outlawed?

There will always be people who have some drinks and then drive. It's common...people drive home after they drink and there is absolutley no meter to tell how drunk somebody is.

Having had a couple drinks (within the legal limit), I will sometimes drive. It didn't make me want to run stop signs at 90mph, drive on the sidewalk, swerve, etc. It makes me scared out of my mind that my complete life could be ruined, though. We shouldn't live with that kind of fear.

But that is really changing the subject, isn't it? I am not asking about radios or brake pads. I'm asking about drinking. So far, no one has taken this one on head on (no pun intended).

Also, just because there are othere evils out there, as you mentioned above, does not mean that people who drink and drive should get a free pass - Any IDIOT knows that two wrongs do not make a right.

MotionMan

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: MotionMan
Just curious:
Anyone here over the age of 25 who supports driving after drinking?

Anyone here who has lost a loved one to an alcohol-impared driver who supports diving after drinking?

Anyone here who supports driving after drinking who believes that having alcohol in your system does not affect you reflexes or decision-making ability?

MotionMan

I'm 24 and I do not support driving after drinking.

I haven't lost someone close to me, but there have been people that I know that died as a result of an alcohol related wreck. Can't really comment there.

I don't take ANY risks when I drink. If I drink, it's because I'm not driving. I won't ride with anyone that has any alcohol in their system. If I'm driving, I'll stick to soda. It's just not worth any risks. Call me paranoid if you want. I know one beer isn't going to get me destroyed, but I've also drank on enough occasions to know that sometimes only a beer or two gets you a solid buzz.

Drinking is always situational. Just like safe sex, the only way to be 100% sure is to not drink and drive.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: SophalotJack
You all need to lose a couple family members or friends to impaired drivers.... It will change your selfish and blatantly lame views on driving.

Let's start with losing you and go from there.

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: MotionMan
But that is really changing the subject, isn't it? I am not asking about radios or brake pads. I'm asking about drinking. So far, no one has taken this one on head on (no pun intended).

Also, just because there are othere evils out there, as you mentioned above, does not mean that people who drink and drive should get a free pass - Any IDIOT knows that two wrongs do not make a right.

MotionMan

I completely understand your argument. But the issue is the safety of others. Is it okay, under any circumstances, to drive terribly and cause a fatal accident? Isn't that law already in effect?

 

[ViviTheMage]

Originally posted by: cubalis
Drinking + Driving = breaking a law. There should not be any grey areas, and this guy got what was coming to him. No need to try to convince you of anything.

QFT

 

[BoberFett]

If you don't like the .08 limit, get the law changed. Until then, .08 is the limit and anything under that should not be punishable.

 

[MustangSVT]

Originally posted by: FrizQuadrata

Originally posted by: Deeko
Your ability to drive isn't really impaired until around the .1-.12 range.
.

What medical journal is that from?

yeah I would like to know as well :roll:

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
If you don't like the .08 limit, get the law changed. Until then, .08 is the limit and anything under that should not be punishable.

I've pondered a career in politics. I would fight for it, but because the masses are totally sold on drinking and driving laws, I'd never win

The problem is that the law, in some states, says that the police still have the authority to write a DUI if you blow under a .08 if they believe you are impaired. In this case, the guy blew a .07 and the police might have been thinking (well what was his BAC level while he was driving before?). Well, the problem with that is the alcohol could still be rising and peaked at .07...or perhaps 20 minutes later when he got into his house, his BAC level could have been .10 because he had drank right before he drove.

 

[SophalotJack]

Sorry if I hurt anyones feelings.

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: SophalotJack
Sorry if I hurt anyones feelings.

It happens to the best of us. No hard feelings here.

 

[MustangSVT]

Originally posted by: SophalotJack

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: SophalotJack
when your little sister dies from a "buzzed" driver (that was changing the radio station, instead of stopping 5 feet from the crosswalk)... then you have a point, OP.


You, OP... are a phag, to the utmost.

DIAF

He broke the law by not stopping at a crosswalk. The law is in place...

?

Yeah, I guess getting "pulled over" for actually breaking the law isnt commonplace here in america.

anything involving alcohol and driving is total BS... and I support the FACT that the OP is a phaggot.

Again... DIAF you drunk driving (supporting) a$$hole.

Too drunk to reply?

wow.. are u stupid or are u stupid? -_-; wow

 

[bigredguy]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Just heard that a family friend of ours got busted for a DUI. Costed him over $6,000 and a hell of a lot more...here's the story.

Drove home after having a couple drinks...made it to his house, and the police pulled him over for having a cracked tail light....not for driving poorly. They asked if he'd been drinking and he said "yeah, a couple" and he was asked to give a breathylizer...he does and he blows a .07...and police decide he shouldn't have been driving and decided to give him a DUI anyway.

There is no way that ANY ONE of you guys are going to convince me that the motivation behind DUI laws is to protect people. It's for money....this is proof.

BAC is a quick and easy estimate of someone's impairment. I know at the same BAC i can drive much better than my wife (go-kart DUI testing FTW). So just because he says he was .01 under the legal limit and happened to make it home safe doesn't mean he doesn't deserve the DUI. And i am sure if he gets a good lawyer, he'll still get away with it, so just be glad he didn't kill anyone.

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: cubalis
Drinking + Driving = breaking a law. There should not be any grey areas, and this guy got what was coming to him. No need to try to convince you of anything.

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: cubalis
Drinking + Driving = breaking a law. There should not be any grey areas, and this guy got what was coming to him. No need to try to convince you of anything.

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

There is no gray area. There are laws. .08 is the limit. Under .08 is legal, over .08 is not. It's not a difficult concept, unless you're fscking stupid like many people in this thread appear to be.

 

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: cubalis
Drinking + Driving = breaking a law. There should not be any grey areas, and this guy got what was coming to him. No need to try to convince you of anything.

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

There is no gray area. There are laws. .08 is the limit. Under .08 is legal, over .08 is not. It's not a difficult concept, unless you're fscking stupid like many people in this thread appear to be.

Allow me to quote myself:

Originally posted by: MotionMan
In California, you cannot drive with a BAL of 0.08 or higher (makes you DWI). However, you also cannot drive if you are "under the influence" of alcohol. So, one CAN get a DUI while blowing a 0.07, or lower, if the officer believes the driver is under the influence.

In other words, 0.08 or over = busted, 0.07 or under = at the discretion of the officer. It is not hard to see why the guy got busted at 0.07.

BTW, why do you think the cop asked the driver if he had been drinking? The bloodshot eyes and slurred speech? Naaaaaah.

MotionMan

 

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: MotionMan
But that is really changing the subject, isn't it? I am not asking about radios or brake pads. I'm asking about drinking. So far, no one has taken this one on head on (no pun intended).

Also, just because there are othere evils out there, as you mentioned above, does not mean that people who drink and drive should get a free pass - Any IDIOT knows that two wrongs do not make a right.

MotionMan

I completely understand your argument. But the issue is the safety of others. Is it okay, under any circumstances, to drive terribly and cause a fatal accident? Isn't that law already in effect?

The issue REGARDING DRINKING AND DRIVING is the safety of others. You keep wanting to bring in other things that are ALSO not safe and say, "See, those are not safe and people can get away with that. We should be able to get away with drunk driving!" That argument just does not have legs.

As soon as we can eliminate drunk driving, then we will go after radio station changers. For now, drunk drivers are a higher priority.

MotionMan