When will we replace 8P8C/RJ45 plugs by something small and nice? Compare USB Type-C

[mxnerd]

Don't know why you cable's clip always got broken. It must be someone in your house very careless.

Ethernet cable with clip protection should be easily found on the net or at local stores, like suggestions from other members.


But if it always gets loose and you don't want to buy another one, try this.

Repair a Broken Ethernet Plug.

http://www.instructables.com/id/Repair-a-Broken-Ethernet-Plug/

or

How to Fix a Broken Ethernet Cable with Masking Tape

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX4RyHkRFJU

 

[imagoon]

I have never encountered that. The socket is pretty much indestructible.

Agreed. Most of the time when someone trips on them they rip the socket right of the computer but the connector stays plugged in.

 

[brshoemak]

@imagoon @XavierMace

Thanks for your recommendations! Those still look average to me, similar looks for a similar price already broke on me. The best is the implementation by APC (I linked), though the image is small to see the details and the actual cable is short as well.

Here's the problem: I have 3 older ThinkPads here from various years, I tried their Ethernet ports with various Ethernet cables, all combinations ended up being lose, the end of the story the little thing is breaking off. What's wrong here?

Those types of rubber ends (called 'boots') shown on that APC cable are terrible. Over time that rubber dome, which covers the release tab, will harden and it will be nearly impossible to press the dome down and release the tab. During a network relocation I had to pull about 200+ 1" cables with those damn boots. By the end I was using a screwdriver to push the dome down and ended up cutting the boot off every single end (400+ in total). I could do this because they were only 1" cables and would never be pulled through a wad of cables.

The ones with a flexible boot (like the one linked in a prior post) are the kind to go with. You get the best of both worlds: You can still pull the cable through wires without worrying about a snag AND you'll have any easy time using the release tab when you need to unplug it.

 

[boomhower]

When I think of the racks and racks of servers around the world I'm thinking not in the next few decades minimum. They work and are cheap. We need a motivating factor to motivate the change. Size alone isn't going to do it.

 

[XavierMace]

Those types of rubber ends (called 'boots') shown on that APC cable are terrible. Over time that rubber dome, which covers the release tab, will harden and it will be nearly impossible to press the dome down and release the tab. During a network relocation I had to pull about 200+ 1" cables with those damn boots. By the end I was using a screwdriver to push the dome down and ended up cutting the boot off every single end (400+ in total). I could do this because they were only 1" cables and would never be pulled through a wad of cables.

The ones with a flexible boot (like the one linked in a prior post) are the kind to go with. You get the best of both worlds: You can still pull the cable through wires without worrying about a snag AND you'll have any easy time using the release tab when you need to unplug it.

Yep, I replaced every single one of the network cables in my rack for that reason.

 

[yinan]

RJ45 is a very decent design and works really well. Personally I have never seen one that breaks, but the cable will get loses due to badly cramped.

With wireless speed exceeding wired, it is likely RJ45, or whatever replaces it will stay in the back end or connecting to other stationary router / AP only.
Quantenna will have a 802.11ac wave 3 that offers up to 10Gbps total capacity.
( 8T8R with 160Mhz and 1024 QAM ). We may see a few top range router using that next year. By 2017 - 2018 we have 802.11ax which promise up to 15Gbps using 4T4R and 30Gbps using 8T8R.

As we all know with wireless speed those are total capacity numbers and we normally take a 50% hit for interference or other obstacle. So we are talking about single devices with real life transfer speed of 2T2R 1Gbps+ and total of 5-6 Gbps by 2020.

Unless you are doing some huge Video Editing at home there will be very little need to have you devices physically wired.

P.S - I am more interested in the perfect scenario of 802.11ax of 10Gbps+, how are we going to solve the bottleneck in wired speed. NBASE-T only goes up to 5Gbps for CAT6.

Where does wireless even come close to exceeding the speed of wired? There is no way you are ever going to get 10Gb+ speed over wireless with anywhere near the reliability of wired.

 

[virtuality]

http://www.instructables.com/id/Repair-a-Broken-Ethernet-Plug/

or

How to Fix a Broken Ethernet Cable with Masking Tape

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX4RyHkRFJU

Thanks!

1. These are makeshift solutions, but whatever, it's fine
2. The Instructables article states that plastic thing is easy to break, so does other articles agree with me on this, on contrary to nearly all of your opinions.

I gave a little thought of it and concluded
- The RJ45 standard doesn't include 'snagless' caps, hence it's a poor standard.
- The standard doesn't include what quality the plastic thing should be and I have found the most common failure is, they make the plastic thing of very poor quality materials. But as it's such a little plastic thing, it's impossible for customers to find out which plastic will not break, if he faces 10 different makes in a shop - an unlikely situation - face to face. I have not one broke on me even with the batman snagged caps. Yes, on the notebook computer side (on various notebooks), not in an industrial data center environment.

Check your local electrical supply stores, they tend to have much cheaper and much higher quality cables here in the US. I never buy them from larger retailers because a 14ft cable that I pay $3-4 at my local supplier for retails for $10-15 there and are usually of inferior build quality

The country-independent takeaway from this might be just to buy quality cables. Especially the little plastic thing should be quality (which you have no real way to find out).

 

[sdifox]

This stuff was never meant to be touched by consumer hands. And back them you better be damn sure you are delicate when handling network connections because the equipment were really expensive.

 

[brshoemak]

I gave a little thought of it and concluded
- The RJ45 standard doesn't include 'snagless' caps, hence it's a poor standard.

That's your conclusion and that's fine, but it has nothing to do with the 'standard' for RJ45.

The reason it's called a 'standard' is that it to be designated as 'RJ45' it must adhere to specific electrical and mechanical aspects which are the same across the entire industry - thus allowing them to be compatible with all products of every company that wants to use them.

The plastic boot does not affect the operational functionality of any RJ45 connector anywhere in the world. It is an item of convenience that can be added or left off with no adverse affects to the cables effectiveness.

You can say it's not how you would like it to be, but it's not a poor standard because of an extraneous piece of plastic that is not required. The standard allows it to do what it was designed to do.

 

[mxnerd]

http://www.monoprice.com/product?c_id=102&cp_id=10232&cs_id=1023203&p_id=9795&seq=1&format=2
recommended by XavierMace

The cable with above type of connector in my opinion is the best of the kind, if it can't satisfy you, I don't know what can.

Ethernet patch cable is so cheap now even if it breaks it only cost you a burger.

Or you can buy a USB 3.0 hub with gigabit port like this so you can dock or undock and you don't have to touch ethernet cable, but it cost you several times over.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817707365

The standard is used worldwide by billions of devices, no way it will be changed because of some shortcomings.

 

[imagoon]

Thanks!

1. These are makeshift solutions, but whatever, it's fine
2. The Instructables article states that plastic thing is easy to break, so does other articles agree with me on this, on contrary to nearly all of your opinions.

I gave a little thought of it and concluded
- The RJ45 standard doesn't include 'snagless' caps, hence it's a poor standard.
- The standard doesn't include what quality the plastic thing should be and I have found the most common failure is, they make the plastic thing of very poor quality materials. But as it's such a little plastic thing, it's impossible for customers to find out which plastic will not break, if he faces 10 different makes in a shop - an unlikely situation - face to face. I have not one broke on me even with the batman snagged caps. Yes, on the notebook computer side (on various notebooks), not in an industrial data center environment.



The country-independent takeaway from this might be just to buy quality cables. Especially the little plastic thing should be quality (which you have no real way to find out).

The "RJ45" standard is nothing more than than the connector, specifically the mechanical layout. The standard doesn't cover the boots, plastic types, voltages, protocols or the wire itself.

"Category" covers the cables, wire etc including specing "RJ45" for the connector. However the boots are optional. They are typically left off for short cables (patch panels where they can get in the way) and cheap cables so that some manufacturer can save a nickel.

The reality of this is, you are blaming a standard (that has existed since the 40's) because you bought cheap cables or are overly aggressive with them. Heck I think I have only seen 1-2 broken connectors (always on bootless cables) in the 5000 locs I have patched / installed in the last 18 months.

 

[virtuality]

Originally Posted by virtuality
I gave a little thought of it and concluded
- The RJ45 standard doesn't include 'snagless' caps, hence it's a poor standard.

That's your conclusion and that's fine, but it has nothing to do with the 'standard' for RJ45.

I kindly add you selectively quoted me.

You skipped the 2nd part of my conclusion, which adds more, important details:

- The standard doesn't include what quality the plastic thing should be and I have found the most common failure is, they make the plastic thing of very poor quality materials.

Thanks.

 

[virtuality]

http://www.monoprice.com/product?c_id=102&cp_id=10232&cs_id=1023203&p_id=9795&seq=1&format=2
recommended by XavierMace

The cable with above type of connector in my opinion is the best of the kind, if it can't satisfy you, I don't know what can.

Monoprice is a brand of Chinese origin. Do they ship from China worldwide? (Lots of cheap stuff is available on eBay and AliExpress for surprisingly low international shipping rates, the quality is a hit and miss though, you have to find good suppliers.)

Or you can buy a USB 3.0 hub with gigabit port like this so you can dock or undock and you don't have to touch ethernet cable, but it cost you several times over.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817707365

The standard is used worldwide by billions of devices, no way it will be changed because of some shortcomings.

Actually, that was my ideas as well, as my next laptop is unlikely to have an RJ45 port anyways.

Though prices for models with excellent reviews on Amazon are less than half compared to your example: http://www.amazon.com/s/field-keywords=usb+ethernet

 

[sdifox]

Monoprice is a brand of Chinese origin. Do they ship from China worldwide? (Lots of cheap stuff is available on eBay and AliExpress for surprisingly low international shipping rates, the quality is a hit and miss though, you have to find good suppliers.)


Actually, that was my ideas as well, as my next laptop is unlikely to have an RJ45 port anyways.

Though prices for models with excellent reviews on Amazon are less than half compared to your example: http://www.amazon.com/s/field-keywords=usb+ethernet

What isn't made in china? Monoprice is an American company, parent is American company and most of the people on top are Indian American.

 

[pcm81]

OP,
if you want better than standard and money allows, here a go: http://www.glenair.com/superseal/pdf/a/233_300.pdf

Wire up all ports to a patch panel and use milsec for everyday disconnects.

/sarcasm end

 

[virtuality]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH9ya5htmXw

Is this any good?

 

[MrTeal]

OP,
if you want better than standard and money allows, here a go: http://www.glenair.com/superseal/pdf/a/233_300.pdf

Wire up all ports to a patch panel and use milsec for everyday disconnects.

/sarcasm end

You can use the bayonet one for everyday use as well, but I prefer the threaded ones because they give your wrist such a good workout.

 

[virtuality]

OP,
if you want better than standard and money allows, here a go: http://www.glenair.com/superseal/pdf/a/233_300.pdf

Wire up all ports to a patch panel and use milsec for everyday disconnects.

/sarcasm end

Unfortunately, 404

 

[virtuality]

Check out the Ethernet cable sold for the the BUFFALO WMR-300 AirStation N300 Wireless Travel Router on this Overview - Newegg TV video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9N7qZ5tttmY

The Ethernet cable shows up at 4:35.

Now, this is the best cable I have found in the whole thread. It also addresses my concern, which you did not really address, that some people want to use an Ethernet cable at hand's reach on a consumer device, hence, this Ethernet cable is sold with a travel router, on the contrary to your suggestions, that Ethernet cables are resorted to the back sides of servers and almost never to be touched.

Bottom line: do you know the OEM (or one in this fashion) of this cable for the Buffalo router? I would buy this, in different lengths. Not much for the flat cable, but for the (seemingly) indestructible head.

 

[imagoon]

Check out the Ethernet cable sold for the the BUFFALO WMR-300 AirStation N300 Wireless Travel Router on this Overview - Newegg TV video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9N7qZ5tttmY

The Ethernet cable shows up at 4:35.

Now, this is the best cable I have found in the whole thread. It also addresses my concern, which you did not really address, that some people want to use an Ethernet cable at hand's reach on a consumer device, hence, this Ethernet cable is sold with a travel router, on the contrary to your suggestions, that Ethernet cables are resorted to the back sides of servers and almost never to be touched.

Bottom line: do you know the OEM (or one in this fashion) of this cable for the Buffalo router? I would buy this, in different lengths. Not much for the flat cable, but for the (seemingly) indestructible head.

They are made by Elecom and use their LD-CTT connector. It isn't indestructible and some the much older versions (pre Elecom) would have the connector "fail flat" and not stay in a jack. The tab would simply compress and stay flat against the connector body. Cable boots accomplish the same level of protection and are more common.

 

[virtuality]

Thanks for the insight.