When will we see Fury reviews?

[AnandThenMan]

He had trouble getting even basic details correct and he kept saying Fiji will be going against the 980 (not the Ti or Titan) and also said there is no way Fiji will compete with Titan. Even going by basic specs you have to be really out of it to think this.

I am not familiar with this person but he doesn't seem like he understands much of anything about this type of technology.

 

[xthetenth]

What a whine fest, very unprofessional.

Well I mean at least they were consistent, they blasted the 770 for being misleading...

Haha who am I kidding, they reviewed it like a normal people and didn't record a giant video full of FUD about how they hope the Titan will be able to beat the 7970 GHz.

 

[AtenRa]

Ahh okay that makes a ton of sense. I read their articles from time to time, did not notice the bias, but this video is .

Looks like someone at KitGuru has an vendetta and pissed off AMD, now they don't get their shiny Fury X, they go public with private exchanges, real nice gentlemen!

Really ?? I have found 90% of what he said just fine.

Did or didnt AMD pushing a 3 year old chip on the 370 ???
Did or didnt AMD using the same Hawaii chip that was released in late 2013 ???
Did or didnt AMD using the same Tonga chip that was released in 2014 ???

And i didnt know that the press doesnt have the right to speak up its mind because they will get burned (no Fury X card).
I mean the guy was talking about wooden Graphics Cards (you know GTX480) and he said once or twice that we need a competitive AMD.

Any way, i really hope Nano will be bellow $500 and faster than GTX980 if they want my money. Otherwise i may find a used GTX980 soon for under $400.
And after all this R9 3xx fiasco, just wait to see the 14/16nm Graphics Card prices. You know we could see a 370/GTX960 replacement for $300 or more :whiste:

 

[Greenlepricon]

Never argued that the info regarding refreshes wasn't true, but he talks about it as if 1)AMD isn't competitive, 2)AMD is trying to con you despite rebrands/refreshes being the norm, and 3) that Nvidia wipes the floor with AMD in every scenario and you have to be a chump to buy from them. All of this leads into him saying Fury doesn't stand a chance in the high end, and more or less saying if you're serious about your hobby buy Nvidia. That belongs on a blog or personal channel, and not a professional hardware review site.

 

[AtenRa]

Never argued that the info regarding refreshes wasn't true, but he talks about it as if 1)AMD isn't competitive, 2)AMD is trying to con you despite rebrands/refreshes being the norm, and 3) that Nvidia wipes the floor with AMD in every scenario and you have to be a chump to buy from them. All of this leads into him saying Fury doesn't stand a chance in the high end, and more or less saying if you're serious about your hobby buy Nvidia. That belongs on a blog or personal channel, and not a professional hardware review site.

1: AMD ITS NOT Competitive with the 300 series. Who is going to spend $430 for the almost 2 years old R9 290X with 8GB of ram ???

2: He is correct, no matter who is making the rebrand, you dont increase the price as if it was a NEW chip in those cards.

3: As of now it does, whats wrong about saying it ??? GTX980 is faster than ANY single chip AMD card even the overclocked R9 290X 8GB at lower power consumption. GTX980Ti is in another league that WE ALL HOPE AMD FURY will be able to compete with eventually when it will officially release.

We have a democracy here, the press is free to speak up its mind. It is no reason to not send a GPU because he believes Fury will not compete with NVIDIAs GTX980ti or any other GPU.

I would say dont send any free graphics cards to internet sites that stopped using FCAT when AMD had better hardware, YES by all means do that.
But i would not agree not to send GPUs for evaluation because he had an opinion that AMD 300 series is not competitive, give me a brake.

 

[krumme]

Its about time amd started to play tuff. Ofcource this pr person needs to be sacked. Not beeing able to lie as a pr person is unprofessional. Lol.
And ofcource amd needs to use the review guides as nv does. And also punish for had reviews.
Go look for someone slamming the 960 to the ground as it should be. Its just lukewarm.
Thats how you earn money today.

 

[LTC8K6]

Probably videos like this are why AMD pulled the review card from Kitguru. I have noticed subtle bias from Kitguru towards Nvidia, but they're not terrible most of the time. This video however is a bit too much from them. He shuts AMD down for 13 minutes straight and that would probably ruffle me a bit if I worked for AMD.

That's exactly the reviewer I would try to impress with my all new Fury video card.

He will look very bad if he is unfair.

If he praises it, AMD looks even better for having convinced him.

 

[xthetenth]

That's exactly the reviewer I would try to impress with my all new Fury video card.

He will look very bad if he is unfair.

If he praises it, AMD looks even better for having convinced him.

Exactly. That's the high road I wish they'd taken.

 

[AtenRa]

That's exactly the reviewer I would try to impress with my all new Fury video card.

He will look very bad if he is unfair.

If he praises it, AMD looks even better for having convinced him.

Excellent +1

 

[sze5003]

That's exactly the reviewer I would try to impress with my all new Fury video card.

He will look very bad if he is unfair.

If he praises it, AMD looks even better for having convinced him.

The guy didn't seem like he cared much for their card.

 

[Greenlepricon]

1: AMD ITS NOT Competitive with the 300 series. Who is going to spend $430 for the almost 2 years old R9 290X with 8GB of ram ???

2: He is correct, no matter who is making the rebrand, you dont increase the price as if it was a NEW chip in those cards.

3: As of now it does, whats wrong about saying it ??? GTX980 is faster than ANY single chip AMD card even the overclocked R9 290X 8GB at lower power consumption. GTX980Ti is in another league that WE ALL HOPE AMD FURY will be able to compete with eventually when it will officially release.

We have a democracy here, the press is free to speak up its mind. It is no reason to not send a GPU because he believes Fury will not compete with NVIDIAs GTX980ti or any other GPU.

I would say dont send any free graphics cards to internet sites that stopped using FCAT when AMD had better hardware, YES by all means do that.
But i would not agree not to send GPUs for evaluation because he had an opinion that AMD 300 series is not competitive, give me a brake.

Considering the 390X is priced against a 980 which it matches very well, I would say AMD is competitive. Comparing a 390X to a 980ti or Titan X is ludicrous as they aren't priced even remotely close to each other. True you could buy a 290X and OC, but I don't think that their MSRPs are so out of line that it matters. It's the price of sales that make the 290 and 290X such fantastic deals.

For point 3, notice I mentioned "in every scenario" I could care less for absolute performance if the price isn't reasonable (aka Titan X). AMD is absolutely competitive from the 980 down, and hopefully Fury brings competition above that.

Plus I don't think I've ever supported AMD deciding not to send a review card in any of my comments. I'm just mentioning their rational behind it. I absolutely think all major reviewers should get cards, but there is no way you can argue that this guy wasn't slandering AMD. There are plenty of other review sites that I hold above KitGuru, and if they have to buy a card themselves so be it. AMD doesn't have an obligation to send them a card and I'm not exactly holding my breath for their review specifically.

 

[sam_816]

We have a democracy here, the press is free to speak up its mind. It is no reason to not send a GPU because he believes Fury will not compete with NVIDIAs GTX980ti or any other GPU..

Is there a law in the U.S. that all gpu/cpu makers have to send the review/sample(etc ec) units to all review sites? If no.. Then that "democracy" also ggives an option to AMD n nvidia to decide to whom they want to send the sample/review unit.

If yes.. I am thinking of starting a review site. Who else is with me? We can copy paste from all these sites and credit them for every portion we borrow... And we will get free stuff to play with!

God bless such "democracy"!!!



On a serious note, I can't understand why people are getting extreme emotions about who (which review site) is getting a card or not? 1st of all if any of these sites is really there to 'Empower' the reader then they can buy their own unit , post the review in time and maybe announce a give away of the same unit and get some more hits on their website/stream.

People on forums like anandtech are intelligent enough to understand that they need to see more than one review to make up their mind. And the casual buyer wont give 2 hoots anyways..

Is AMD's marketing is bad ? Maybe or maybe not. Who cares? All people care about is the product. If the product suits their needs and fit their budget all these things won't matter. Fanboys are going to buy products from their favorites only.

 

[LTC8K6]

The guy didn't seem like he cared much for their card.

So what?

Just distribute the samples evenly.

If the card is really the cat's ass, then a few grumpy unfair reviews amongst all the praise won't mean a darn thing.

The unfair reviewers will simply look bad.

AMD will look even-handed with the reviewers.

 

[happy medium]

That's exactly the reviewer I would try to impress with my all new Fury video card.

He will look very bad if he is unfair.

If he praises it, AMD looks even better for having convinced him.

That's an excellent way of looking at it.

 

[RussianSensation]

Really ?? I have found 90% of what he said just fine.

Umm...no it wasn't. So many errors. Consoles are limited to 720P? Wrong. AMD using HBM to save power to divert it towards a GPU to make the GPU faster by re-allocating the power reserve from memory power usage saved to the GPU - he spun this as bad. Wrong move; that's a great way to increase perf/watt of the entire product. He said all R9 200 products are HD7000 re-badges. R9 260X/290/290X/295x2 are rebadges now? Wrong. He said R9 300 series are going to be 100% R9 200 re-badges. Wrong, 390/390X are refreshes like 680->770 was. If you want to call a product with higher GPU/memory clocks and double the VRAM a re-badge but praised 770 2-4GB cards, then you basically get what you deserve as a journalist for having double standards. You either rip all refreshes/rebadges equally or you talk about both positive and negative aspects of these new products in an objective manner. His rant made it sound like NV didn't refresh/re-badge anything ever. LOL worthy.

He said HD7000 products are 4 years old, but no HD7700-7900 cards were ever for sale in 2011. Specifically he mentioned lower-end HD7700-7800 series that came out in 2011. Wrong, they launched in 2012 or 3 years ago, not 4. He said none of AMD's R9 200 series were competitive with NV's GPUs today - that's 100% wrong unless he is blind/biased. Are you agreeing that R9 270/270X were not worth buying over 750/750Ti for gaming despite being 30-45% faster? Are you agreeing with him that R9 280X/290 wasn't a better buy over a 960 for gaming? Are you agreeing with him that R9 290's price/performance vs. 970 is irrelevant? Are you agreeing with him that R9 295X2 wasn't worth buying over a 980 for a very similar price, if someone wanted gaming performance over power draw?

He also ripped apart all of AMD's CPU products, that includes APUs on the PC and he ripped AMD for being cheap but then he hoped Fiji would be cheaper than a 980 (not 980Ti). You might want to watch the video again. He also made an eroneous connection about how outdated the current console tech is and why as a result he doesn't see AMD having any future GPU tech that's going to impress, which is why half the time he spent comparing 980 non-Ti to Fiji. So much negative sentiment.

The unfair reviewers will simply look bad.

Are you kidding? If that were true, sites like PCPer or Legit Reviews would have been bankrupt already and have no readership. That's not how it works. The guy from KitGuru openly started saying if you have to explain something, you aren't winning. If I am a marketing manager from AMD, I am thinking wow, so this guy is going to bury our card right away because 6GB of VRAM > 4GB because he doesn't even want to bother explaining to his reader than you can't directly compare HBM to GDDR5 like that. They probably also feared such a reviewer would spin reference water-cooling as 'required' and how AMD is 'desperate' to use WC to compete.

 

[IEC]

So what?

Just distribute the samples evenly.

If the card is really the cat's ass, then a few grumpy unfair reviews amongst all the praise won't mean a darn thing.

The unfair reviewers will simply look bad.

AMD will look even-handed with the reviewers.

Giving review samples to unprofessional hacks when they can give them to sites that will actually do them justice (biased or not) is not even remotely "fair" or "even-handed". There's a limited # of review samples, and there are only 999 sites more deserving of a shot at it than KitGuru.

Really though, we need a Consumer Reports type site that purchases retail products and reviews them objectively so we can avoid even the possibility or appearance of payola and/or cherry picked review samples.

 

[LTC8K6]

Are you kidding? If that were true, sites like PCPer or Legit Reviews would have been bankrupt already and have no readership. That's not how it works. The guy from KitGuru openly started saying if you have to explain something, you aren't winning. If I am a marketing manager from AMD, I am thinking wow, so this guy is going to bury our card right away because 6GB of VRAM > 4GB because he doesn't even want to bother explaining to his reader than you can't directly compare HBM to GDDR5 like that. They probably also feared such a reviewer would spin reference water-cooling as 'required' and how AMD is 'desperate' to use WC to compete.

And not allowing them to have a sample card stops them from commenting negatively?

They will get a card anyway, right?

KitGuru is going to review Fury, right?

 

[LTC8K6]

Giving review samples to unprofessional hacks when they can give them to sites that will actually do them justice (biased or not) is not even remotely "fair" or "even-handed". There's a limited # of review samples, and there are only 999 sites more deserving of a shot at it than KitGuru.

Really though, we need a Consumer Reports type site that purchases retail products and reviews them objectively so we can avoid even the possibility or appearance of payola and/or cherry picked review samples.

They had already agreed to give KitGuru a sample card, though.

Are they in the habit of reserving cards for "unprofessional hacks"?

Has KitGuru changed radically recently? :biggrin:

 

[Erenhardt]

And not allowing them to have a sample card stops them from commenting negatively?

They will get a card anyway, right?

KitGuru is going to review Fury, right?

Yes, amd can't stop them from smearing fiji all over the place.
They at least can make money out of them by not giving them free sample and forcing them to buy it (profit).
This should be applaud by the very same people that bash amd constantly for balancing on the edge of profitability and low margins, yet they do not.

 

[LTC8K6]

Yes, amd can't stop them from smearing fiji all over the place.
They at least can make money out of them by not giving them free sample and forcing them to buy it (profit).
This should be applaud by the very same people that bash amd constantly for balancing on the edge of profitability and low margins, yet they do not.

They will just get a sample card from one of the card makers.

 

[xthetenth]

That video had literally nothing of value and disqualified kitguru from consideration as tech journalists in my book. Spending fifteen minutes without making a single accurate statement on the performance of a single part is an impressively bad feat.

And still I do not support AMD sending what they sent if they sent it. Reviews exist for the customer, and should not be suppressed or manipulated. Posting a rebuttal is fine and good, but behind the scenes manipulation of content hurts illegitimate and legitimate content alike. I don't have a problem with not subsidizing putative journalism that emphatically isn't. I do have a problem with sending messages like that because that gets to actual journalists too.

 

[LTC8K6]

That video had literally nothing of value and disqualified kitguru from consideration as tech journalists in my book. Spending fifteen minutes without making a single accurate statement on the performance of a single part is an impressively bad feat.

And still I do not support AMD sending what they sent if they sent it. Reviews exist for the customer, and should not be suppressed or manipulated. Posting a rebuttal is fine and good, but behind the scenes manipulation of content hurts illegitimate and legitimate content alike. I don't have a problem with not subsidizing putative journalism that emphatically isn't. I do have a problem with sending messages like that because that gets to actual journalists too.

You make a good point about rebuttals.

AMD can rebut anyone who has truly been unfair about their products.

That is perfectly acceptable and works well and does not look biased or petty.

 

[Creig]

The guy didn't seem like he cared much for their card.

He also had absolutely no idea what he was talking about:

"I hope to Christ it (Fiji) can take on GTX 980"
"I don't believe for a minute that Fiji is going to take on Titan. Not for one second do I believe that. I wish to Christ it was true, I don't think it will be"

Just about anybody here knows that since the 290X was already within spitting distance of the GTX 980 that the 390X would most likely be the card to equal it, not Fiji. And that Fiji actually would be competitor to the 980 Ti/Titan X, not the 980.

Honestly, he only had a vague idea of the subject matter.

 

[sam_816]

Yes they will get the card from the market but when? On 24th. Then they will rush the review coz all other sites' reviews will be up by 24th. For these sites timing is very Important and That is the whole rant all about(I think)..

 

[Wreckem]

Yes they will get the card from the market but when? On 24th. Then they will rush the review coz all other sites' reviews will be up by 24th. For these sites timing is very Important and That is the whole rant all about(I think)..

It punishes them twofold because:

1. they don't get free stuff
2. they won't get as many clicks when their review does go live

I have no earthly idea what KitGuru was thinking when they published that video. They might as well pack it in and throw in the towel as they are now in the bottom of the barrel for review sites and that isn't AMD's fault, it's whoever green lit publication of that video. Are people ever going to give any credence to that guy after that?