When will we see the 3dfx Rampage?

[Noriaki]

Hehehe I'm guessing that they might it pull together in time for Christmas.....2001

What do you guys think? Is Rampage destined to be the next Glaze3D?

I've got a nutty friend that insists rampage is going to make a splash to rival the Voodoo Graphics and I'm trying to convince him that by the time we see it nVidia will be at least 2 product cycles from now

Anyone have any idea when we'll actually see the Rampage?

 

[Skalman]

I have one in my shell, but I won't show it!

 

[RagingGuardian]

Since the V5 6000 aint nowhere near store shelves I don't see the Rampage rampaging anytime soon.

 

[JonJon]

they raging i agree with all of those companies in your sig except creative, they make some good products and aren't full of themselves like the others


Question...why has 3dfx fallen so far behind...i mean their chips come out of the same plant as nvidias....any one have any clue?

 

[Marty]

The Rampage will be out sooner than you think. Probably Q1 2001.

Marty

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

Supposedly Rampage taped out a month and a half ago. The VSA went from tape-out to first silicon in about 6 weeks and it went through 2 respins before final silicon.

If this is true, that puts Rampage out by the end of March.

 

[Howard]

JonJon, Creative Labs sued Aureal over something that shouldn't be sued over (some stupid technicality or something) to make them go bankrupt. So now we have no A3D 3.0 (2.0 rocked BTW) and we have to stand the EAX recycling with no other competitors.

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

<< they make some good products and aren't full of themselves like the others >>


IMO, there are only 2 companies that truely belong in your sig RG and that's Rambus and Creative.

What's wrong with Microsoft, nVidia, and Intel?

 

[Noriaki]

nVidia's PR is what's wrong with nVidia.

But they still make good products.

 

[JonJon]

knight you didn't just ask &quot;what's wrong with microsoft&quot;....i'm not even going to touch that comment

 

[ElFenix]

getting out rampage is not dependent on getting out 6k. the problem with 6k is that for every one of those you build, you don't have two 5500s. the market for the 5500s is bigger, and 3dfx is more likely to sell those two 5500s than the one 6k.

3dfx fell behind because it took them a really really long time to execute on napalm (the vsa100). if it had some out in december of last year like it should have, we'd all probably have voodoos instead of geforces. since they have parallel development (everyone does) that delay does not add to any rampage delay, unless 3dfx decides from a business end to suck the life out of the vsa100 instead of moving forward. which would just be dumb.

 

[xtreme2k]

we might start seeing them a few years after the shipment of V5 6000

 

[RagingGuardian]

I'm gonna take Intel out of the sig.

 

[Remedy]

But if the v5 6k comes out on time it will drive the prices of the other cards including v5 5500's down 25 to 50 bucks so you have to actually be happy that this card will come out.

 

[xtreme2k]

the point is that 3dfx will not introduce competition between its products.

therefore the delay of V5 6000 will definately mean delay of rampage

 

[rahvin]

<<the point is that 3dfx will not introduce competition between its products.

therefore the delay of V5 6000 will definately mean delay of rampage>>

Stupid assumption.

<<I doubt we'll even see it.>>

Oh how right the little boy might be. There are rumors they can't get the PCI bridge chip to work with Athlon machines, if this is true the V5 6000 will never be released. The huge delay is indicating that they may just dump the 6000 and announce rampage at Comdex.

 

[Noriaki]

Paulson: Did you mean you doubt we'll even see the 6000 or you doubt we'll see the Rampage? lol

I'm beginning to think they will just ditch the V5-6000 myself...it seems clear to me that they aren't going to be able to make money on it. They've done a good job of pushing FSAA, but the V5-6000 is just to damn expensive..I know I know back in the day people bought a V2/12MB-SLI set for as much cash..but that set has lasted some of those people years. With the speed of video cycles now it's hard to justifiy spending that much on a video card now adays...
I think they could do much better to release the rampage and forget about the V5-6k...

 

[xtreme2k]

rahvin
how is that a stupid assumption?

do u ever see intel releasing Celeron at 1G just like their P3?
what reasoning is that? because they dont wana introduce competiton within their own product line

do you see AMD releasing Duron at 1G also?

do you see Nvidia using 128bit DDR memory on their MX?

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selling rampage straight after the introduction of V5 6k will DEFINATELY harm their sale of either one of their product

how is my original assumption stupid?
please explain

if you cant explain?

shut the FUK up

 

[RagingGuardian]

Yeah I was wondering why he shot the idea down as a stupid assumption. xtreme2k made a logical assumption based on companies business tactics.

That's like saying that AMD or Intel would release a Duron or Celery 1.2GHz tommorow and that's making good business sense.

 

[Duckers]

what are the specs of the 3dfx Rampage? (if known)

 

[rahvin]

Because dumbass you are making a LOT of assumptions, all of which could be wrong.

You assume that Rampage is faster thatn the V5 6000, this isn't a given and with regards to 3dfx's history it would be stupid to assume it is.

You assume that the V5 6000 will be more expensive than Rampage, again a very bad assumption to make given 3dfx's past.

You assume that with the delay they still plan on releasing both products. A more logical assumption provided good management. 3dfx has not demonstrated good management.

You assume they can actually get the V5 6000 to work! And it not being released is a good indication it doesn't! Again 3dfx's past history.

 

[xtreme2k]

since when did i assume all those when the only thing i said was
the point is that 3dfx will not introduce competition between its products. therefore the delay of V5 6000 will definately mean delay of rampage

i said a DELAY of V5 6000 will delay the rampage. That implies the V5 6000 will be released 'eventaully'. If it is CANCELLED then it wont 'delay' their freaking rampage

You assume that Rampage is faster than the V5 6000
should i assume the Rampage is slower than a V5 6000. If so it will get its arse kicked SO BADLY by the NV20 and G800 or even a G2/Ultra or Raedon DDR

You assume that the V5 6000 will be more expensive than Rampage
i assumed the rampage will be more expensive than the V5 6000 actually

You assume that with the delay they still plan on releasing both products, You assume they can actually get the V5 6000 to work
yes i do assume that, since 3dfx havent publicly cancel their product, should we all go assuming they will cancel it?

 

[xtreme2k]

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=27&amp;threadid=269282

 

[rahvin]

<<You assume that with the delay they still plan on releasing both products, You assume they can actually get the V5 6000 to work
yes i do assume that, since 3dfx havent publicly cancel their product, should we all go assuming they will cancel it?>>

They haven't publicly announced a release date either, in fact they may be claiming that they haven't officially announced the product these days. (who knows) And for your info the box art for the 6000 dissappeared from their site over the weekend.

<<You assume that Rampage is faster than the V5 6000
should i assume the Rampage is slower than a V5 6000. If so it will get its arse kicked SO BADLY by the NV20 and G800 or even a G2/Ultra or Raedon DDR>>

Yea and that would mean you assume 3dfx's management is intelligent. Was it intelligent to release the VSA-100 without T&amp;L? Did it make a compelling product? Past history, assume 3dfx will do everything wrong and you won't be supprised.

<<yes i do assume that, since 3dfx havent publicly cancel their product, should we all go assuming they will cancel it?>>

No, but I don't think you should assume that because one product is delayed that the other is, you can't cut and dry it like that. So the 6000 is delayed, if it gets delayed enough it would be intelligent for management to cancel it and go with rampage. Of course you can't assume they are intelligent so yea it could end up in a delay of rampage but you can't say it is guaranteed like you did!

 

[KarlHungus]

IMO, there are only 2 companies that truely belong in your sig RG and that's Rambus and Creative.

What's wrong with Microsoft, nVidia, and Intel?

I'm gonna take Intel out of the sig.

You picked the wrong one to take out of your sig. Have you forgotten that the only reason we have to put up with Rambus now is because Intel forced them on the PC world? Intel would still be best buddies with Rambus if the market had accepted the Rambus based products.