When will World War 111 start

[Triumph]

Originally posted by: LunarRay
A world war where many nations are committed has to have two sides of near equal 'power' and resolve.
They'd have to be motivated by something, I think.
I can't imagine a war where only Iran would fend off the 'willing'. There would have to be some one who could see supporting Iran (assume Iran just cuz) furthered their agenda.

Not sure Genghis Khan is around anymore but I can see that group moving to war.

Agreed, I still believe we would have no trouble with one or two "little" countries like Iran. People may point to Iraq or Afghanistan to point out how inept our military is, but these are not "typical" wars. A typical war was the invasion of Iraq, and it took all of 3 days. Nation building is not a war, it's a sustained conflict. The kinds of attacks that our bases and troops are subject to these days, are the kinds of unrest that would happen to an occupying force, in the old days, after the war was over. So who has the power to challenge us? China? India? North Korea? The European Union? Russia?

China is too interwoven with us economically to begin a war with us. What would they have to gain from it?

India could engage in regional conflicts with its neighbors, aka Pakistan, but this isn't a world war.

North Korea would not be a difficult war. They may have a nuke, but we have a much more advanced military that would make short work of their country. Maybe not as easy as Iraq, but it would not be anything like fighting the Japanese.

The EU? Um, no.

Russia could still be a threat...they are quite nationalistic, they have resources and the ability to create a strong military, and I just don't quite trust them. They are hungry to regain what they see as their former glory, and if they elected just the right (wrong?) leader, I believe he'd be able to convince the people of Russia to do unspeakable things.

Attitudes have changed as well. I do not believe that folks are as nationalistic as they once were. And people today have more empathy for the citizens of a country versus the government of that country. People don't have the stomach for a campaign with 10+ million casualties, or bombing raids that kill 25,000 in an evening. I just don't see how it would happen.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: UberNeuman
I believe a World War will start when the oil runs out..... Nothing else will push it until then....

Or food.

Oil will never run out (IMO).

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: UberNeuman
I believe a World War will start when the oil runs out..... Nothing else will push it until then....

Or food.

Oil will never run out (IMO).

(I agree, but)

/grabs lawnchair and popcorn

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

10 to 100 years after ww110, ww111 will start.

 

[Special K]

Originally posted by: RapidSnail
Well to get to WW111 we have to get through the first 110. :thumbsdown:

Are we counting in decimal or binary? I'd much rather only see 111 (binary) wars than 111 (decimal) wars.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
There are any number of possibilities I could imagine. It would start with India and Pakistan or India and China or the US and China or the US against the Arab world.

Where do you think it will start or do you think it will? Could we outgrow war as a means to an end.

War is the end, you should know this, it is also the means by which the ultimate end will be achieved.

I have mapped out multiple scenarios and am almost completely certain that the next major war will take place before 2020.

Basically, Canada's oil sands become a bone of contention. Canada begs Russia for protection, Russia sends in the troops and resumes heavy US/Canada bomber patrolling. The US makes a move, as it begins to tap heavily into its strategic oil reserves, and Russia response with nuclear weapons, its conventional army insufficient to hold back the US blood lust.

Next, upon seeing the headless body of his own young son, the captain breaks rank. He goes wild, blood-drunk. The captain's cries of pain at the loss of his young son are more frightening to the enemy than the deepest battle drums.

And finally human decisions are removed from strategic defense. Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Triumph

Originally posted by: LunarRay
A world war where many nations are committed has to have two sides of near equal 'power' and resolve.
They'd have to be motivated by something, I think.
I can't imagine a war where only Iran would fend off the 'willing'. There would have to be some one who could see supporting Iran (assume Iran just cuz) furthered their agenda.

Not sure Genghis Khan is around anymore but I can see that group moving to war.

Agreed, I still believe we would have no trouble with one or two "little" countries like Iran. People may point to Iraq or Afghanistan to point out how inept our military is, but these are not "typical" wars. A typical war was the invasion of Iraq, and it took all of 3 days. Nation building is not a war, it's a sustained conflict. The kinds of attacks that our bases and troops are subject to these days, are the kinds of unrest that would happen to an occupying force, in the old days, after the war was over. So who has the power to challenge us? China? India? North Korea? The European Union? Russia?

China is too interwoven with us economically to begin a war with us. What would they have to gain from it?

India could engage in regional conflicts with its neighbors, aka Pakistan, but this isn't a world war.

North Korea would not be a difficult war. They may have a nuke, but we have a much more advanced military that would make short work of their country. Maybe not as easy as Iraq, but it would not be anything like fighting the Japanese.

The EU? Um, no.

Russia could still be a threat...they are quite nationalistic, they have resources and the ability to create a strong military, and I just don't quite trust them. They are hungry to regain what they see as their former glory, and if they elected just the right (wrong?) leader, I believe he'd be able to convince the people of Russia to do unspeakable things.

Attitudes have changed as well. I do not believe that folks are as nationalistic as they once were. And people today have more empathy for the citizens of a country versus the government of that country. People don't have the stomach for a campaign with 10+ million casualties, or bombing raids that kill 25,000 in an evening. I just don't see how it would happen.

Well, what do you think might occur if some Al Q brainiak decided to dirty bomb the major oil fields of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and the other nice guys in the area. Wouldn't take to many to do the job and the Al Q are not reliant on oil. Now we've a resource in demand and the Western Economy in shambles. I think I see a scenario where the focus of it all is Iraq/Iran/Afghanistan/Pakistan and maybe a few other 'Stans' too. I see the strategic goals of the big boys competing with each other in that tiny little spot of the world. I'm not at all sure what India might do but that is cuz they are not Muslim and the folks to their west are. I see Israel motivated to unleash their stock of Neutron bombs to insure their survival. The US has to have some kind of involvement cuz we are think we have to. So what about Europe, Russia and China? I think China's interest in our economy ends when it goes down the tubes from the economic crisis. Same with China and Europe. They will revert to historic thinking, I think.
I think the preservation of world peace is in the hands of the folks trying to rid the world of Al Q and any group that threatens to destabilize Western economies and to some extent values aside from economic.

 

[Napalm]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
US vs US could start a world war.

Have thought the same thing for a long, long time. Half of you folks completely HATE the other half...

 

[Napalm]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
There is no one to challenge the US right now. Nobody. That said, China and India are on their way up, but due to their proximity I would suggest that India will take over due to their government and the will of their people. That said, China is more unified than India is in terms of culture and religion.

I'll say it will be either China or India vs. the US. Potentially Asia would align itself vs. North America, and if that happens, God help us all. Perhaps Europe will survive, but chances are they will go down with us and all that will be left is Africa. :Q

There was nobody to challenge Germany either in the 40's - but when you put Russia, the Commonwealth countries (UK, Austrailia and Canada) and the US together, they managed. I've a funny feeling that the same could happen today to the loan superpower...

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Napalm

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
US vs US could start a world war.

Have thought the same thing for a long, long time. Half of you folks completely HATE the other half...

In all likelihood, the Democrat states in the north would join Canada, and the south would become its own country, or series of countries (Texas). I fail to see how this would cause a world war. Quebec wants to leave Canada. If they go, live will move on. It's when you try to stop it that things get messy.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Napalm

Originally posted by: SickBeast
There is no one to challenge the US right now. Nobody. That said, China and India are on their way up, but due to their proximity I would suggest that India will take over due to their government and the will of their people. That said, China is more unified than India is in terms of culture and religion.

I'll say it will be either China or India vs. the US. Potentially Asia would align itself vs. North America, and if that happens, God help us all. Perhaps Europe will survive, but chances are they will go down with us and all that will be left is Africa. :Q

There was nobody to challenge Germany either in the 40's - but when you put Russia, the Commonwealth countries (UK, Austrailia and Canada) and the US together, they managed. I've a funny feeling that the same could happen today to the loan superpower...

Nobody to challenge Germany in what sense? If you look at the iron ore production, Great Britain, France, and the US were right up there, if not beyond Germany.

IMO the US is far more powerful right now than Germany was in the 40's, comparatively speaking, especially if you consider military might the measure of power.

 

[Zensal]

The US will not go to war with China or India because the people of those countries are discovering "stuff" and they like it. We develop a lot of "stuff" and they make the majority of it. It's a great system for now.

Trade replaced war. The only countries that might go to war with us are countries that don't trade and can't receive our "stuff", such as N. Korea or Iran.

We want peace in the Middle East? Drop a bunch of big screens in the country and start broadcasting some brain sucking cartoons or something.

 

[Arglebargle]

Originally posted by: Napalm
....the loan superpower...

Don't knowif that was intentional or not, but it's sure funny...

 

[Peelback79]

If you mean World War 3, it starts after a rag tag nation wants to prove it's big boy status by touching a series of nukes from within the United States. With the 'Nanny' force out of the way, China and Russia will be free to resolve their differences the way they have long since desired to do so. Ironically, the 'Lone Superpower' will not be a factor in World War 3. We will be too busy putting our nation back together and trying to convinvce Texas to re join the union.

If you mean World War 111, I'm not sure, my crystal balls are a little fuzzy but I gather that World War 111 begins after the UMS (Union of Minority Species) or homo sapiens, yes us, deploy some form of what seems to be genetic warfare against some some race of aliens. I don't know who or what they are because I can't speak their language yet.

It's complicated. Technically, it's not WW111, it's intergalactic war VII. After III, the earth was obliterated and the remaining 'pure' human beings out of fear and panic rally behind a leader who refers to himself as 13 (I wish I were kidding) to form the UMS. I'm not sure right now whether that is some rough translation I've been shown, or that this leader is somehow captolizing on the superstition of the number 13 that somehow still exists after we quit using written communication. Not all humans rally behind him, only about 600 million of the existing 1.6 billion'pure'. However, from this minority, 13 fashions a radically effective millitary and class of enhanced human beings which parallels Nazi Germany so much that sometimes I'm not sure if it's the future I'm seeing.

I'll spare you the ending, but long story short, out of all the majors extraterrestrial conflicts, we humans and our problems are the cause and epicenter of over half of them. It's hilarious how small and finite our galaxy is, and yet the problems we cause when we leave earth behind is hilarious. We turn into the 'Israel' of the universe if you will.

If you want to borrow my crystal balls let me know. But please don't waste their time with trivial crap. Oh, and for my fellow Cubs fans, I've tried looking into the future to see when the cubbies cap another WS title and I'm aggravated that either my balls can't see sporting events in the future, or they just can't see that far ahead.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
I don't know where or when, but I would bet money that USA will be the provoker. They have a recent history of unilateral military action and invasion like no one else in this epoch. Their history has shown a willingness to use weapons of mass destruction and a tendency to lash out and overreact on the wrong targets. The American government scares me like no other right now.

Not very bright this one.

My money's on Russia, if there is one. But some kind of stand off is inevitable with Russia.

Don't be too hard on him, he's just a kiwi.

 

[TheSkinsFan]

Originally posted by: Peelback79
If you mean World War 3, it starts after a rag tag nation wants to prove it's big boy status by touching a series of nukes from within the United States. With the 'Nanny' force out of the way, China and Russia will be free to resolve their differences the way they have long since desired to do so. Ironically, the 'Lone Superpower' will not be a factor in World War 3. We will be too busy putting our nation back together and trying to convinvce Texas to re join the union.

If you mean World War 111, I'm not sure, my crystal balls are a little fuzzy but I gather that World War 111 begins after the UMS (Union of Minority Species) or homo sapiens, yes us, deploy some form of what seems to be genetic warfare against some some race of aliens. I don't know who or what they are because I can't speak their language yet.

It's complicated. Technically, it's not WW111, it's intergalactic war VII. After III, the earth was obliterated and the remaining 'pure' human beings out of fear and panic rally behind a leader who refers to himself as 13 (I wish I were kidding) to form the UMS. I'm not sure right now whether that is some rough translation I've been shown, or that this leader is somehow captolizing on the superstition of the number 13 that somehow still exists after we quit using written communication. Not all humans rally behind him, only about 600 million of the existing 1.6 billion'pure'. However, from this minority, 13 fashions a radically effective millitary and class of enhanced human beings which parallels Nazi Germany so much that sometimes I'm not sure if it's the future I'm seeing.

I'll spare you the ending, but long story short, out of all the majors extraterrestrial conflicts, we humans and our problems are the cause and epicenter of over half of them. It's hilarious how small and finite our galaxy is, and yet the problems we cause when we leave earth behind is hilarious. We turn into the 'Israel' of the universe if you will.

If you want to borrow my crystal balls let me know. But please don't waste their time with trivial crap. Oh, and for my fellow Cubs fans, I've tried looking into the future to see when the cubbies cap another WS title and I'm aggravated that either my balls can't see sporting events in the future, or they just can't see that far ahead.

:laugh:

Personally, I've never stopped playing with my balls long enough to try and see the future through them.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: Tequila

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: Tequila

Originally posted by: UberNeuman
I believe a World War will start when the oil runs out..... Nothing else will push it until then....

Sooo a 100 years then? I think Obama should consider creating a WW3 Czar. More czars! Must have more czars! Not enough of them!

**and yes I'm slightly drunk tonight**

and I'm a bit drunk as well, but your post adds nothing to answering the OP's question....

Actually I did answer it. The OP asked "When will WWW111 start?" I replied 12/21/12

Even while drunk I'm twice more coherent more than half of the peeps on P&N. Or something like that..

What would be the catalyst to cause WWW 111 to happen in 12/21/12?

Phrophecy, Some really old shit

 

[LunarRay]

From Ozoned's link "... Everybody on this planet is mutating. Some are more conscious of it than others. But everyone is doing it... "
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles!

Mayan Calendar, hmmmm

People on Earth are like stuff in the universe. They both seek equilibrium. A balance of the forces that bind them together. One is Physical Science the other Emotional Science.

I think the Earthlings are in a state of disorder. There are powerful forces and weak forces. There are beliefs so outlandish that they suggest equilibrium can only be achieved by elimination of anything not in uniformity with that belief.
I saw the move to a One world Order, NAFTA and other World Economic treaties all designed to bring harmony to the planet. It has not worked and the pot is boiling. I thought The Soviet/US situation would culminate in an explosion felt around the globe... and now we've little pots all around heating up... It has to blow, it seems, someday. The where and what finally causes it to blow is the question.
I think Iran/Iraq and I think Israel hits first and for good reason - self preservation.

I guess I can't see things like some of you very brilliant historians. I see mainly what I feel with out regard to what may have been or what may even be considered prudent. I sorta got a hunch is what I'd call it.

 

[SickBeast]

I tell you where I think a major war is relatively inevitable: Canada and the US. The US has 300+ million people , depleted resources, and depleted water supplies.

Canada has 30 million people, abundant resources, and ridiculously abundant water supplies (and energy by extension).

As a Canadian I am actually somewhat wary of what is going to happen. Either we will merge, we will fight over it, or we will trade. If it's the middle option I don't like my chances based on what happened in Iraq.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
I tell you where I think a major war is relatively inevitable: Canada and the US. The US has 300+ million people , depleted resources, and depleted water supplies.

Canada has 30 million people, abundant resources, and ridiculously abundant water supplies (and energy by extension).

As a Canadian I am actually somewhat wary of what is going to happen. Either we will merge, we will fight over it, or we will trade. If it's the middle option I don't like my chances based on what happened in Iraq.

Not to worry. No American would buy into a manifest destiny going north or south. Canada is our buddy cept the French part We can only pick on non democratic nations. They are the bad guys.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
I tell you where I think a major war is relatively inevitable: Canada and the US. The US has 300+ million people , depleted resources, and depleted water supplies.

Canada has 30 million people, abundant resources, and ridiculously abundant water supplies (and energy by extension).

As a Canadian I am actually somewhat wary of what is going to happen. Either we will merge, we will fight over it, or we will trade. If it's the middle option I don't like my chances based on what happened in Iraq.

Everyone has a price. Remember what a former Gov of Wisconsin said about shipping Great Lakes water to California "Sure they can have the water, they just have to take it home in 12oz cans." Merging would be a bad deal for Canada, your quality of life would decline. Stick to trade and, where needed, tariffs.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: SickBeast
I tell you where I think a major war is relatively inevitable: Canada and the US. The US has 300+ million people , depleted resources, and depleted water supplies.

Canada has 30 million people, abundant resources, and ridiculously abundant water supplies (and energy by extension).

As a Canadian I am actually somewhat wary of what is going to happen. Either we will merge, we will fight over it, or we will trade. If it's the middle option I don't like my chances based on what happened in Iraq.

Everyone has a price. Remember what a former Gov of Wisconsin said about shipping Great Lakes water to California "Sure they can have the water, they just have to take it home in 12oz cans." Merging would be a bad deal for Canada, your quality of life would decline. Stick to trade and, where needed, tariffs.

Thanks, I appreciate that. :beer:

The problem with trade and tariffs is the bully mentality of the US; it tends to give Canadians a bad deal to the point that merging may prove more beneficial overall. I will say that the US has been a great trading partner overall. The problem is that when issues do come up, the US government is not "reasonable".

Essentially we have a ton of water and resources up here and to an extent are trading with a gun to our heads.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: SickBeast
I tell you where I think a major war is relatively inevitable: Canada and the US. The US has 300+ million people , depleted resources, and depleted water supplies.

Canada has 30 million people, abundant resources, and ridiculously abundant water supplies (and energy by extension).

As a Canadian I am actually somewhat wary of what is going to happen. Either we will merge, we will fight over it, or we will trade. If it's the middle option I don't like my chances based on what happened in Iraq.

Everyone has a price. Remember what a former Gov of Wisconsin said about shipping Great Lakes water to California "Sure they can have the water, they just have to take it home in 12oz cans." Merging would be a bad deal for Canada, your quality of life would decline. Stick to trade and, where needed, tariffs.

Essentially we have a ton of water and resources up here and to an extent are trading with a gun to our heads.

That's because you don't have enough sense to arm yourselves with water cannons.

 

[shortylickens]

World War 111?!?!?

Probably in the year 10,000,000.

 

[DesiPower]

Here's my scenario
Al-Qaeda takes over Pakistan - ~80% complete
Pakistan starts selling tech and weapons to other rogue nations - 35% complete
Pakistan steps up production of WMD - 25% complete
Pakistan starts attacking its neighbors within the range of its missiles, most likely India. - TBD
Countries retaliate, Iran, N Korea and some African countries start attacking their neighbors. - TBD
WW III starts - US participates here and there in a scattered and lame manner, being cauticous not to hurt the feelings of anyone and protect the attacker's human rights.
Outcome u ask? - read history.