When you die

[WelshBloke]

LOL, for real? Because you sign a contract with the company who you pay a bunch of money to preserve your body, and your next of kin can sue the shiat out of them if they don't follow the contract and revive you once the technology becomes available?

Yeah they froze you.

Why are they going to defrost you?
Are your distant kin going to want you back? Are you going to try to reclaim the stuff that got passed down to them.

 

[Sonikku]

The current plan is to save mom some money on the burial by fading away and becoming one with the Force.

 

[zinfamous]

No, why would they defrost you? It's not like there's ever a shortage of people. Why would they waste resources on one that's already dead?

I...never thought of it that way. This shit blew my whole mind.

But what SALTYNUTS doesn't understand, is that the problem is not with reviving those current cryo-preserved titans of celebrity (like Michael Jackson and Ted Williams--headless Ted Williams, that is), but it is with the method of cryoperserving human bodies today--as they have already been done.

They don't know what the fuck they are doing. It is very fucking hard to figure out how to preserve even tiny embryos of very small animals--including human eggs, embryos, sperm, which we now do quite effectively--but wholly formed animals is well outside the round of any possibility right now.

Just think about it, Salty Nuts--if they are freezing you now and zapping your stored savings for decades to come with the promise that they will revive you "when they figure out how to do it," ...don't you think they should only start freezing you when they already know how to revive you? You see, None of those people will ever be thawed because they pretty obviously don't even know how to freeze them. Thawing actually never is the problem--it's proper freezing (usually involves a proper glycerol/saline solution at whatever ratio, up to certain-celled stage of the organism, before it can be drenched in LN2--and of course the tissue is protected from exposure to LN2.

This isn't what those current charlatans that claim the fortunes of wealthy dumbasses do, though. They actually cut off your fricking head and freeze your parts separately. Why do they cut off your head, first? Well, I have no fucking idea and I don't think they do either.

 

[brianmanahan]

http://whatyouseewhenyoudie.ytmnd.com/

 

[Herr Kutz]

Thank God I'm immortal and don't have to worry about this.

 

[highland145]

Zin, get a real job.

:biggrin:

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Mummification.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Thank God I'm immortal and don't have to worry about this.

A quantum suicide would very quickly confirm that.

 

[SaltyNuts]

Yeah they froze you.

Why are they going to defrost you?
Are your distant kin going to want you back? Are you going to try to reclaim the stuff that got passed down to them.

Because they are contractually obligated to, and could get sued if they did not. Any why is it necessarily your "distant" kin? You could be 80, have plenty of dough, want to be revived so you can see your now 10 year old grand kid again if you get the chance, and she you. 60 years from now, when she is 70, they may have the technology.

However, if you open your mind a little, think outside the box, even if we are talking about *distant* kin, i.e., those that have no particular reason to want to see you because they never knew you, you could easily have a provision in the contract that if they don't revive you, your kin can sue them for a billion dollars AND specific performance - i.e. they would have to pay out and revive you both.

This really isn't that complicated.

 

[MongGrel]

Because they are contractually obligated to, and could get sued if they did not. Any why is it necessarily your "distant" kin? You could be 80, have plenty of dough, want to be revived so you can see your now 10 year old grand kid again if you get the chance, and she you. 60 years from now, when she is 70, they may have the technology.

However, if you open your mind a little, think outside the box, even if we are talking about *distant* kin, i.e., those that have no particular reason to want to see you because they never knew you, you could easily have a provision in the contract that if they don't revive you, your kin can sue them for a billion dollars AND specific performance - i.e. they would have to pay out and revive you both.

This really isn't that complicated.

Seriously ?

The current Cryo facilities will probably be out of business by then anyway.

I doubt they will worry about being sued. They get the money now.

 

[SaltyNuts]

"But what SALTYNUTS doesn't understand, is that the problem is not with reviving those current cryo-preserved titans of celebrity (like Michael Jackson and Ted Williams--headless Ted Williams, that is), but it is with the method of cryoperserving human bodies today--as they have already been done. "

Yep, sure, the science today is not perfect.


"Just think about it, Salty Nuts--if they are freezing you now and zapping your stored savings for decades to come with the promise that they will revive you "when they figure out how to do it," ...don't you think they should only start freezing you when they already know how to revive you?"


LOL, with all due respect, I *have* thought about it, but it is obvious you haven't. I'm not saying they can preserve your brain (or spirit or soul or whatever you think our essence is) using the best science available today. Maybe the odds are very, very slim. But common sense would dictate that if you did you absolute best using today's science to preserve the integrity of the body (really, the brain), your chances of being "revived" later are about an absolute ton better if you let vultures on the top of a mountain eat your brain and shiat it out into the soil to be eaten by earth worms...

 

[MongGrel]

To be blunt about it, and your understanding of quantum mechanics, you probably should stop with a lot of your posts.

You already have tried to disprove Einstein at a kindergarten level, maybe you should give it a break.

 

[WelshBloke]

Because they are contractually obligated to, and could get sued if they did not.

I'd be interested to see how you'd write a contract to force someone to use an undiscovered method to get an unspecific result to an unknown problem.

 

[zinfamous]

LOL, with all due respect, I *have* thought about it, but it is obvious you haven't. I'm not saying they can preserve your brain (or spirit or soul or whatever you think our essence is) using the best science available today. Maybe the odds are very, very slim. But common sense would dictate that if you did you absolute best using today's science to preserve the integrity of the body (really, the brain), your chances of being "revived" later are about an absolute ton better if you let vultures on the top of a mountain eat your brain and shiat it out into the soil to be eaten by earth worms...

With no due respect, I have experience with cryopreservation of living tissue and, no, you haven't really thought about this. The problem lies in freezing the tissue. If they knew how to do that, there would never be a "until maybe we can figure out how to thaw you!" clause in their... "business model."

Hey, SaltyNuts, I can probably give you the biggest dick that the world has ever seen, but first you need to let me cut off your dick so that I can grow it in an incubator with a nutrient slurry of stem cells, potassium, and goat blood (trust me--this works). I'll probably figure out how to reattach it at some point, but you really need to let me chop it off right now because it's the only way to give you the chance at a bigger dick in the future.

 

[SaltyNuts]

I give up on this thread. Too much "you are just wrong" and not enough thinking by smart people...

 

[WelshBloke]

I give up on this thread. Too much "you are just wrong" and not enough thinking by smart people...

The point is that dead tissue is dead tissue. If we advance to a point that we can cure dead they aren't going to want your dumb arse around.


Also it would have been polite to have said that you were going to give in if people just said "you are wrong", you could have saved Zinfamous a lot of effort!

 

[Mai72]

I don't know if I believe in God anymore.

I think the reality is this. When you die you experience nothing. No sound. Not even blackness. There is nothing. An emptiness like you were never here. Just nothing.

Think about before you were born. Did you experience anything before you were conceived? Nope. It was nothing. No sound. No light. Nothing. It's kinda freaky.

This is why I've gravitated to Buddhism. You learn to give up your fears. You learn that to hold on means to suffer. That's why it's dangerous to hold on to family and your materialistic possessions. The more you hold on, the more you're likely to suffer. You are aware of the pain and suffering that people go thru, and that most of it is ridiculous. People die. Plants die. Animals die. People don't want to face this reality, so they tell themselves that they will see mom or dad in the afterlife. They don't want to let go.

 

[John Connor]

tibetan sky burial


(I would suggest not image googling that at work)

I don't know how they can do that. Especially seeing your loved one having their skin cut off and vultures eating them. But I guess it's all culture and shit.

 

[John Connor]

I'm an organ donor and perhaps I can save some lives. If so, mission accomplished. I have allowed them to take whatever except my eyes. You don't need eye sight to live.

 

[WelshBloke]

I'm an organ donor and perhaps I can save some lives. If so, mission accomplished. I have allowed them to take whatever except my eyes. You don't need eye sight to live.

You don't need your eyes after you're dead either.

 

[RossMAN]

Organ donor + cremation

 

[disappoint]

Yeah they froze you.

Why are they going to defrost you?

I'll tell you why and when they will defrost him. They will defrost him to dispose of his worthless body and turn off the high energy consuming refrigeration systems when they come to their senses.

 

[disappoint]

I give up on this thread. Too much "you are just wrong" and not enough thinking by smart people...

How will you know when you encounter the "thinking by smart people" you seek?

 

[Chaotic42]

I want to get turned into a gemstone

http://www.cremationsolutions.com/cremation-jewelry-for-ashes/cremation-diamonds-made-from-ashes

 

[Mai72]

No one escapes! No one....