Whens the Russian ammo import?

[AlienCraft]

Originally posted by: jjessico

I can't comment on CAP Garands, goodies in containers, or actual containers. However it doesn't seem that the US military would be snatching up all the stock of .223 from Wolf. There are plenty of high volume ammunition manufacturers here in the states still.

Also do you have any real numbers on the amount of ammunition consumed in the US vs. overseas markets? As for 7.63 and .223 I think that the consumption in the US would tend to favor 'enthusiasts' rather than 'sportsmen'.

Sportsmen or enthusiast is simply semantics.
All of those users combined will not equal the ammo expended by US Forces in the same time period.
No, I don't have any numbers, but given that Rumsfeld's raison de etre was to produce a smaller, more efficient Infantry. That includes smaller stockpiles of arms, ammo and other equipment. Remember, these same soldiers were sent into harms way withOUT appropriate body armor. The same stuff issued EVERY FREAKIN POLICE OFFICER in the US. That their parents had to SHAME this administration into providing appropriate supplies still irks the hell out of me. All in the name of saving a buck.
It's not so far a stretch to believe that ammunition would be rationed out as well, given the other aspects that I happen to have first hand experience with.
It's quicker to buy up the market, let prices rise as demand and supply cross each other. Furthermore, it looks good on the "books" of the National Economy.
There is no model for prices of anything to drop where the Government is concerned.

 

[YoshiSato]

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=16&t=222888

I like it only lists 5.56mm but these dealers selll a lot of different ammo.

The reason behind the shortage is the "war" the world is currenlty in(other military rounds are also in short order).
+ Some South American country just purchased 1 Billion 7.62x39 rounds from wolf a few months back.

 

[YoshiSato]

Here's an Idea, sell your AK and get something in 5.56mm.
That why your not relaying on the Russian-Pinkos or Chicoms for your ammo.

 

[jjessico]

Originally posted by: AlienCraft

Originally posted by: jjessico

I can't comment on CAP Garands, goodies in containers, or actual containers. However it doesn't seem that the US military would be snatching up all the stock of .223 from Wolf. There are plenty of high volume ammunition manufacturers here in the states still.

Also do you have any real numbers on the amount of ammunition consumed in the US vs. overseas markets? As for 7.63 and .223 I think that the consumption in the US would tend to favor 'enthusiasts' rather than 'sportsmen'.

Sportsmen or enthusiast is simply semantics.
All of those users combined will not equal the ammo expended by US Forces in the same time period.
No, I don't have any numbers, but given that Rumsfeld's raison de etre was to produce a smaller, more efficient Infantry. That includes smaller stockpiles of arms, ammo and other equipment. Remember, these same soldiers were sent into harms way withOUT appropriate body armor. The same stuff issued EVERY FREAKIN POLICE OFFICER in the US. That their parents had to SHAME this administration into providing appropriate supplies still irks the hell out of me. All in the name of saving a buck.
It's not so far a stretch to believe that ammunition would be rationed out as well, given the other aspects that I happen to have first hand experience with.
It's quicker to buy up the market, let prices rise as demand and supply cross each other. Furthermore, it looks good on the "books" of the National Economy.
There is no model for prices of anything to drop where the Government is concerned.

It's not semi-auto if you consider all the Class 3 dealers and liscence holders.

Furthermore this isn't about equipment for US troops or general defense policy. It's just about the ammo shortage or what seems to be one anyways.

I'd just like some hard facts rather than conjecture and ill feelings. If anyone has those, they'd actually be interesting.

 

[drinkmorejava]

If it's so bloody expensive, why aren't new companies coming in to the market. At this rate of return, it wouldn't take long to pay off a small setup and once the price drops again, you can pull out before you get undercut. <- all of that would be supply and demand, especially considering it's turning out to be more long term.

 

[AlienCraft]

Originally posted by: jjessico

Originally posted by: AlienCraft

Originally posted by: jjessico

I can't comment on CAP Garands, goodies in containers, or actual containers. However it doesn't seem that the US military would be snatching up all the stock of .223 from Wolf. There are plenty of high volume ammunition manufacturers here in the states still.

Also do you have any real numbers on the amount of ammunition consumed in the US vs. overseas markets? As for 7.63 and .223 I think that the consumption in the US would tend to favor 'enthusiasts' rather than 'sportsmen'.

Sportsmen or enthusiast is simply semantics.
All of those users combined will not equal the ammo expended by US Forces in the same time period.
No, I don't have any numbers, but given that Rumsfeld's raison de etre was to produce a smaller, more efficient Infantry. That includes smaller stockpiles of arms, ammo and other equipment. Remember, these same soldiers were sent into harms way withOUT appropriate body armor. The same stuff issued EVERY FREAKIN POLICE OFFICER in the US. That their parents had to SHAME this administration into providing appropriate supplies still irks the hell out of me. All in the name of saving a buck.
It's not so far a stretch to believe that ammunition would be rationed out as well, given the other aspects that I happen to have first hand experience with.
It's quicker to buy up the market, let prices rise as demand and supply cross each other. Furthermore, it looks good on the "books" of the National Economy.
There is no model for prices of anything to drop where the Government is concerned.

It's not semi-auto if you consider all the Class 3 dealers and liscence holders.

Furthermore this isn't about equipment for US troops or general defense policy. It's just about the ammo shortage or what seems to be one anyways.

I'd just like some hard facts rather than conjecture and ill feelings. If anyone has those, they'd actually be interesting.

Plus we're ignoring all the rest of the world conflicts, Sudan, Phillipines, Africa, etc.
There is no way that sportsmen in the US will ever exceed the demand that wars will. There's money in killing, and sportsmen or "enthusiasts" will ever meet the demand that wars will. Thats just simple arithmetic.

 

[jjessico]

Many of those conflicts are not new within the last year, so I wouldn't expect their continuing demand for ammunition to affect the price and availability of ammunition.

I'd just really like some hard numbers to go on here.

 

[ta8689]

I just got an email from wolf.


We are currently shipping out more 7.62x39 to our distributors and
retailers. Most distributors and retailers have accumulated many back orders
they have to fill. So please contact them for more information on when it
will be available. Towards the end of March you should see 7.62x39 in stock
for most retailers. Thank you for your inquiry and interest in WOLF
Performance Ammunition.

Sincerely,

WOLF Ammo

 

[OREOSpeedwagon]

Originally posted by: kirkaptain
I think it is a plot perpetrated by the U.N. to keep hard-wokring americans from defending ourselves. Pretty soon, we'll have to choose between buying food to feed our families and buying ammo to protect them.

protection from what? zee germans?

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: AlienCraft
They also recalled all their Civilian Arms Program Garands.

Do you mean Civilian Marksmanship Program? If so, that is certainly not the case.

I know they are putting the M14 back out there in the DMR role.

 

[alexeikgb]

I oredered 1000 rounds from Cabellas... first it was back-ordered, but I got it this past monday ~2.5 weeks after I placed the order.
So the moral of the story is... the ammo is available, you just need to wait a bit since all the new shippments are being sent to those who are back-ordered.

ps.. ammo is Wolf FMJ

 

[ta8689]

Originally posted by: alexeikgb
I oredered 1000 rounds from Cabellas... first it was back-ordered, but I got it this past monday ~2.5 weeks after I placed the order.

what did it cost?

 

[alexeikgb]

Originally posted by: ta8689

Originally posted by: alexeikgb
I oredered 1000 rounds from Cabellas... first it was back-ordered, but I got it this past monday ~2.5 weeks after I placed the order.

what did it cost?

3 weeks ago there was a catalog 'special' so 1000 cost me $95 + $15 ship... too good of a deal to pass up, even if I had to wait

Link to others that also got Cabellas orders shipped

Edit: Guys on sksboards recommend cabellas over sportsmansguide since SG has a long list of ppl waiting on ammo, while cabellas has a quick 2-3 week turn-around. But Cabellas is more expensive, so it's up to you.

 

[AlienCraft]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: AlienCraft
They also recalled all their Civilian Arms Program Garands.

Do you mean Civilian Marksmanship Program? If so, that is certainly not the case.

I know they are putting the M14 back out there in the DMR role.

Well, Things change over time. I was given this information last year by my brother, who is an armourer for a PD in SC.
He had to return several Garands he was working on for other officers as per DoD orders.
So it certainly WAS the case.

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: JMWarren
In soviet russia AMMO imports YOU!

Sorry, I just had to

Those jokes never get old. I love 'em.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: AlienCraft

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: AlienCraft
They also recalled all their Civilian Arms Program Garands.

Do you mean Civilian Marksmanship Program? If so, that is certainly not the case.

I know they are putting the M14 back out there in the DMR role.

Well, Things change over time. I was given this information last year by my brother, who is an armourer for a PD in SC.
He had to return several Garands he was working on for other officers as per DoD orders.
So it certainly WAS the case.

They had to have been M14s. Police departments can get M14s on loan for department use from the feds, but the public can't buy them.

M14s are not Garands (M1 rifle).