Where and How Much Can I Find an Isp Who Supports OC Connections?

[Bowen]

Does anyone know any ISP's that support OC connections and if they are available to a non-business resident? I'd be happy with an OC-1 connection. OC stands for 'Optical Carrier'. I'm only explaining this because I just learned myself and I'm on top of things fairly well but not enough apparently. Thanx....

 

[L3Guy]

As far as I am aware, there isn't an "OC-1" interface. The smallest OC interface that is available is OC-3.
There is an STS-1 interface, which has DS-3 ( T-3 to the vulgar ) speeds but is synchronous, unlike DS-3.
By the way, DS-3 is almost always delivered on fiber and the coax is only present on the CPE side of the Demarc.
By the way, if you could get a OC-1, how would you terminate it?

Just passing through.

Doug

 

[Tallgeese]

<< By the way, if you could get a OC-1, how would you terminate it? >>

Sheesh, and pay for it :Q
You wouldn't happen to be the Chairman of a certain large software company in the Pacific Northwest, would you?

 

[neuralfx]

for residential? of course not .. i mean really, isnt the approximate going rate for a T3 around 10,000 a month? ..
-neural

 

[Nocturnal]

<< for residential? of course not .. i mean really, isnt the approximate going rate for a T3 around 10,000 a month? ..
-neural >>



holy sh!t, are you serious?

i hear a t1 is down to like what... a few g's a month now?

 

[Bowen]

<< As far as I am aware, there isn't an "OC-1" interface. The smallest OC interface that is available is OC-3.
There is an STS-1 interface, which has DS-3 ( T-3 to the vulgar ) speeds but is synchronous, unlike DS-3.
By the way, DS-3 is almost always delivered on fiber and the coax is only present on the CPE side of the Demarc.
By the way, if you could get a OC-1, how would you terminate it?

Just passing through.

Doug >>



I don't know...I just found out about OC-3 about 1 month ago. I've known about T-1/T-3 connections but I'm almost completely ignorant to OC connections and for that matter I didn't know DS-3 were the same as T-3. We all learn things everyday but some days, learning is more gratifying than others and this is one of them! I want to study up more on these OC connections and more with Broadband terminology in general. I have a DSL connection at the present (1.5 Gbps down and 128 Kbps up). I'm with Earthlink and very happy with them. I frequently reach my maximum downstream and I've heard of a new DSL technology that allows you to obtain 44 Mbps down and I don't remember the upstream. They were testing it on the East Coast in the U.S. last year so if it comes here and people like it and go for it, which will do two things. First it will lower the price of existing DSL and second, WOW I can't imagine 44 Mbps. Think of how online gaming would be too.

 

[Bowen]

<< for residential? of course not .. i mean really, isnt the approximate going rate for a T3 around 10,000 a month? ..
-neural >>



Yeah, that was a dumb question. I don't know exactly how much a T1 is but I think it's around $1,000 a month so a T3 would be much more. I'm guessing that the new DSL that is being tested will debut around $200 a month at least I would think.

 

[teriba]

It would cost you $20,000-$30,000.

 

[spidey07]

^ a month. plus the gear to terminate it.

Any of the Tier1 ISPs may be able to provide you one. Problem is going to be paying the installation charges for them running the fiber to your residence. I'm guessing a 50,000 install fee.

 

[MoMeanMugs]

I could be an @ss and point out that your current connection is 1.5 Mbps and not Gbps, but I won't.

 

[Garion]

FYI, "retail" price from UUNet on a full-rate unlimited use DS3 is $28,000/month PLUS the local loop charge of about $3,000 (and we're literally 2 blocks away from the CO - Assume $5K for most others). We got it for a lot less than that, of course (Everyone does) but it gives you some idea of retail cost for a DS3 circuit.

- G

 

[ProviaFan]

Ok, maybe on the lower end, but since I can't get DSL or cable, how much do you estimate a 245kbit/sec frame relay connection would cost?

 

[Homerboy]

Garion:
Even at 1/2 the cost of the UUnet Ds3, you paid too much
Trust me I seel this stuff all day and a full DS3 from a tier 1 backbone should go for ~$12k +loop.

If your still in the market PM me. I'll give you the deal of the day

 

[FreshPrince]

You're not going to be running an ISP in your garage are you?

 

[JustinLerner]

Dowload bandwidth is not the same as upload bandwidth. (Upload bandwidth is the most likely limiting factor to your game playing.)

Yeah, innovations and technological advancements are progressing all the time.
For the time being, if you really need additional bandwidth, calculate the costs of the following:

Changing to a SDSL account with higher upload bandwidth, a different ADSL account with higher upload bandwidth (don't worry as much about download for gaming), multilinking of ADSL and SDSL accounts (like multilinking of POTS) which will require specific ISP equipment (like DSLAM equipment from CopperMountain) or others that can will handle multilinking of ADSL/SDSL. (I don't know if it's possible to multilink ADSL, but I believe SDSL of some types can. I know IDSL/ISDN of certain types can multilink, but then these services are usually two to five times more expensive than ADSL. SDSL can be about two to three times as expensive as ADSL, yet still better cost wise than trying to multilink IDSL/ISDN)

These are all reasonable solutions in regards to cost and implementation. Check with your ISP, or look for another (DSLReports.com).

 

[JustinLerner]

<< Ok, maybe on the lower end, but since I can't get DSL or cable, how much do you estimate a 245kbit/sec frame relay connection would cost? >>



How far are you from the local CO?

It would be less expensive to get an ISP that allows multilinking of POTS dial-up accounts. Then multilink 3 phone lines (yeah, the cost of 3 phone lines, and a ISP that allows multilinking (special rates required) with always on access is not cheap, but certainly less than the cost for Frame Relay (not to mention the equipment costs, learning curve of provisioning and maintaining your CLE). A 128K - 384K frame relay could run anywhere from $300-$1600/mo. Check with your local phone company and local ISP's. Their sales people will be happy to provide rates.

If 3 POTS lines were multilinked [Windows 2000/XP recommended for ease and reliability, 3 USB modems with built in controllers and DSP recommend. Multitech and Zoom make these type of external modems. USR only makes them internal, which is not recommended because of all the IRQ's], the bandwidth you might expect should be around 150K (depending upon what speeds you reach with your current CO distance and ISP). Cost of 3 phone lines ~ $60/mo, special multilink account $40/mo + each dial up $15/mo X 3 = $45. So you might see $145/mo not counting equipment costs (like 3 USB modems with built in controllers and DSP's), to multilink 3 POTS for approx 150K download and 100K upload. Of course, you can always use less phone lines and link with just two accounts if you so desire.

Of course if you are within the ISDN range, 2x-IDSL may be better (bandwidth wise) and if multilinked with the right CLE and ISP. (2x IDSL ~ 228K upload and download). Costs: about $140-180 per month.

 

[ProviaFan]

Thanks Justin for the advice. Unfortunately, I think the frame relay is definitely out of the picture.
The dual phone line thing (since I get 52kbit/sec connections, two lines would be sufficient) is something I need to look into, though. And since I live in a town of about 900 people, I doubt ISDN would be available (though I am around one mile from the CO).

 

[JustinLerner]

Multilinking isn't hard, and actually quite easy in Windows 2000/XP. Unfortunately, whatever the limitations of your current dial-ups, you just multiply that by the number of modems. So if you get 52k download and 33.6K upload, just multiply.

Many ISP's will turn on multilink to your account for an additional monthly cost, but many just don't implement multilinking at all. They may also have additional resrictions and the right to bump an additional connection of you leave it online too long and the RAS modem bank use is full. Otherwise, I would recommend this option if you would like the extra bandwidth. I would still get external USB modems (must have a controller built in to relieve the CPU of DCE/DTE comm processing and should also have a DSP).

 

[Garion]

<< Garion:
Even at 1/2 the cost of the UUnet Ds3, you paid too much
Trust me I seel this stuff all day and a full DS3 from a tier 1 backbone should go for ~$12k +loop.

If your still in the market PM me. I'll give you the deal of the day >>



Very tempting. But we didn't pay anywhere close to $12K - *grin* - WorldCom is very eager for our business. When I said a lot less, I meant a LOT.

- G

 

[pcmark]

Homerboy - Where do you work?

I worked for a Tier 1 ISP until I was layed off recently. One thing that was not mentioned was the price of the router that would be required. A Cisco router with a Packet Over Sonnet interface aint cheap. Youre going to need a 4000 series minimum.

 

[Goosemaster]

OC3 is something I will not let you have.


7Mbit dsl



nuff said.