Originally posted by: OCguy
I think I know where they went
Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
Originally posted by: OCguy
I think I know where they went
It's funny how the Nvidia guys will call the 4770 a paper launch, but then will say that the reason you can't find any GTX295's is because it's such a popular card that they are just flying off the shelves... yet there are lots of GTX260/275/285 cards and plenty of GDDR3 to build GTX295's with. This looks to be one of those things TheInq actually got correct that the Nvidia guys will just ignore. I believe the 9800GTX+ launch was the definition of a paper launch. At least with the 4770 they had parts for sale at launch and they still are trickling in, though obviously far from enough to satisfy demand... hardly what I'd call a smooth, problem-free launch given that finding 4770's takes a good bit of luck on your timing.
It seems like there was a pretty good number of 4770's at launch, but certainly not enough to satisfy demand beyond the first few weeks. Everything I've read states that TSMC is having a lot of growing pains with the 40nm process, yields are still pretty poor. Hopefully for both AMD and Nvidia's sake things get ironed out, otherwise this is what we'll be looking forward to with the next gen cards. Maybe this was a smart move by Nvidia, let AMD and TSMC work on the 40nm problems together so when they are ready to launch parts based on 40nm the process is more mature and reliable.
Originally posted by: Keysplayr
Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
Originally posted by: OCguy
I think I know where they went
It's funny how the Nvidia guys will call the 4770 a paper launch, but then will say that the reason you can't find any GTX295's is because it's such a popular card that they are just flying off the shelves... yet there are lots of GTX260/275/285 cards and plenty of GDDR3 to build GTX295's with. This looks to be one of those things TheInq actually got correct that the Nvidia guys will just ignore. I believe the 9800GTX+ launch was the definition of a paper launch. At least with the 4770 they had parts for sale at launch and they still are trickling in, though obviously far from enough to satisfy demand... hardly what I'd call a smooth, problem-free launch given that finding 4770's takes a good bit of luck on your timing.
It seems like there was a pretty good number of 4770's at launch, but certainly not enough to satisfy demand beyond the first few weeks. Everything I've read states that TSMC is having a lot of growing pains with the 40nm process, yields are still pretty poor. Hopefully for both AMD and Nvidia's sake things get ironed out, otherwise this is what we'll be looking forward to with the next gen cards. Maybe this was a smart move by Nvidia, let AMD and TSMC work on the 40nm problems together so when they are ready to launch parts based on 40nm the process is more mature and reliable.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...TCH&Description=GTX295
If average everyday guy who could care less about Nvidia or ATI said it was a paper launch, would it be any different?
What is happening is a combination of two things. The 4770 is on TSMC's 40nm troubled process. At less than 20% yield on such a small die size, that's trouble. Supply is not so good, but demand is obviously pretty high for these cards.
Not really a paper launch if they sold 40,000 of them Ocguy. I'm sure there are more on the way.
And SlowSpyder, what I believe might happen with the GTX295's is, more GTX275's are being built. More people would buy the 275 over the 295. Put the cores where the most buying will be. Simple. Besides all that, there seems to be an ample supply of 295's. And I only checked newegg.
Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
Originally posted by: OCguy
I think I know where they went
It's funny how the Nvidia guys will call the 4770 a paper launch, but then will say that the reason you can't find any GTX295's is because it's such a popular card that they are just flying off the shelves...
Originally posted by: TheMeanestGuest
I don't think he was referring to specifically now Wreckage, I'm pretty sure he meant in the past. I admit I could be wrong, but it seems like the most probable conclusion to me.
Originally posted by: Wreckage
Originally posted by: TheMeanestGuest
I don't think he was referring to specifically now Wreckage, I'm pretty sure he meant in the past. I admit I could be wrong, but it seems like the most probable conclusion to me.
Actually I think he was just trying to start a flame, but that's ok.
Originally posted by: Stoneburner
The 4770 is still the most perfect HTPC card available currently. If it's not for an HTPC, I don't see why you wouldn't go for the 4870 which have been low as $130 or so.