Where are the 4770's?

[dawgtuff]

It looks like the availability of these cards are drying up. NewEgg only has 2 and Mwave has one. Also, Mwave had the reference card sold out with a June 15th ETA, but now it's not listed. What's up?

 

[sandorski]

"Drying up"? You gotta get Wet before you can get Dry.

 

[OCGuy]

I think I know where they went

 

[Rifter]

they can be found, NCIX had some last time i was there.

 

[bgeh]

It's this: http://www.bit-tech.net/news/h...-been-solved-sources/1

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/h...ld-problems-in-short/1

Oh, and also this thread might help: http://forum.beyond3d.com/show...ad.php?t=52584&page=23

20% for a chip that small (assuming designers have built in the usual redundancies) is frankly just ugly (TSMC's 40nm process)

 

[Stoneburner]

I got two very quickly for $100 each. One from amazon, one from ewiz.

 

[Zstream]

It comes down to TSMC stating they can do 40nm, unfortunately it looks like very little testing took place. Nearly impossible leakage just now shows itself. I would imagine they will need a few new set of tools or some crazy engineering/desings are needed.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Originally posted by: OCguy
I think I know where they went

It's funny how the Nvidia guys will call the 4770 a paper launch, but then will say that the reason you can't find any GTX295's is because it's such a popular card that they are just flying off the shelves... yet there are lots of GTX260/275/285 cards and plenty of GDDR3 to build GTX295's with. This looks to be one of those things TheInq actually got correct that the Nvidia guys will just ignore. I believe the 9800GTX+ launch was the definition of a paper launch. At least with the 4770 they had parts for sale at launch and they still are trickling in, though obviously far from enough to satisfy demand... hardly what I'd call a smooth, problem-free launch given that finding 4770's takes a good bit of luck on your timing.

It seems like there was a pretty good number of 4770's at launch, but certainly not enough to satisfy demand beyond the first few weeks. Everything I've read states that TSMC is having a lot of growing pains with the 40nm process, yields are still pretty poor. Hopefully for both AMD and Nvidia's sake things get ironed out, otherwise this is what we'll be looking forward to with the next gen cards. Maybe this was a smart move by Nvidia, let AMD and TSMC work on the 40nm problems together so when they are ready to launch parts based on 40nm the process is more mature and reliable.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder

Originally posted by: OCguy
I think I know where they went

It's funny how the Nvidia guys will call the 4770 a paper launch, but then will say that the reason you can't find any GTX295's is because it's such a popular card that they are just flying off the shelves... yet there are lots of GTX260/275/285 cards and plenty of GDDR3 to build GTX295's with. This looks to be one of those things TheInq actually got correct that the Nvidia guys will just ignore. I believe the 9800GTX+ launch was the definition of a paper launch. At least with the 4770 they had parts for sale at launch and they still are trickling in, though obviously far from enough to satisfy demand... hardly what I'd call a smooth, problem-free launch given that finding 4770's takes a good bit of luck on your timing.

It seems like there was a pretty good number of 4770's at launch, but certainly not enough to satisfy demand beyond the first few weeks. Everything I've read states that TSMC is having a lot of growing pains with the 40nm process, yields are still pretty poor. Hopefully for both AMD and Nvidia's sake things get ironed out, otherwise this is what we'll be looking forward to with the next gen cards. Maybe this was a smart move by Nvidia, let AMD and TSMC work on the 40nm problems together so when they are ready to launch parts based on 40nm the process is more mature and reliable.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...TCH&Description=GTX295

If average everyday guy who could care less about Nvidia or ATI said it was a paper launch, would it be any different?

What is happening is a combination of two things. The 4770 is on TSMC's 40nm troubled process. At less than 20% yield on such a small die size, that's trouble. Supply is not so good, but demand is obviously pretty high for these cards.

Not really a paper launch if they sold 40,000 of them Ocguy. I'm sure there are more on the way.

And SlowSpyder, what I believe might happen with the GTX295's is, more GTX275's are being built. More people would buy the 275 over the 295. Put the cores where the most buying will be. Simple. Besides all that, there seems to be an ample supply of 295's. And I only checked newegg.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Originally posted by: Keysplayr

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder

Originally posted by: OCguy
I think I know where they went

It's funny how the Nvidia guys will call the 4770 a paper launch, but then will say that the reason you can't find any GTX295's is because it's such a popular card that they are just flying off the shelves... yet there are lots of GTX260/275/285 cards and plenty of GDDR3 to build GTX295's with. This looks to be one of those things TheInq actually got correct that the Nvidia guys will just ignore. I believe the 9800GTX+ launch was the definition of a paper launch. At least with the 4770 they had parts for sale at launch and they still are trickling in, though obviously far from enough to satisfy demand... hardly what I'd call a smooth, problem-free launch given that finding 4770's takes a good bit of luck on your timing.

It seems like there was a pretty good number of 4770's at launch, but certainly not enough to satisfy demand beyond the first few weeks. Everything I've read states that TSMC is having a lot of growing pains with the 40nm process, yields are still pretty poor. Hopefully for both AMD and Nvidia's sake things get ironed out, otherwise this is what we'll be looking forward to with the next gen cards. Maybe this was a smart move by Nvidia, let AMD and TSMC work on the 40nm problems together so when they are ready to launch parts based on 40nm the process is more mature and reliable.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...TCH&Description=GTX295

If average everyday guy who could care less about Nvidia or ATI said it was a paper launch, would it be any different?

What is happening is a combination of two things. The 4770 is on TSMC's 40nm troubled process. At less than 20% yield on such a small die size, that's trouble. Supply is not so good, but demand is obviously pretty high for these cards.

Not really a paper launch if they sold 40,000 of them Ocguy. I'm sure there are more on the way.

And SlowSpyder, what I believe might happen with the GTX295's is, more GTX275's are being built. More people would buy the 275 over the 295. Put the cores where the most buying will be. Simple. Besides all that, there seems to be an ample supply of 295's. And I only checked newegg.

The point I was trying to make was that I guess it just depends on who posts it and how they want to spin it. Company X is out of card X1 = paper launch. Company Y is out of card Y1 = incrdible demand for the card.

Like I said, maybe Nvidiia is doing the smart thing here, letting AMD and TSMC try and sort out the 40nm issues, then when they are ready to launch product based on that technology they'll have far less of the issues AMD is working through right now.

 

[SickBeast]

Yeah it's probably bad yields as has been widely speculated pretty much since the 4770 launched, which is troubling. AMD probably needs to do a re-spin, and by the time they do that the 4770 will be a low end card and will lose most of its relevance, especially once DX11 comes out.

 

[hans007]

well seeing as its a $100 card, there will be more "shortages" if there is low yield than something not so many people were going to buy anyway like a gtx 295.

 

[sanders4617]

I bought this card last Sunday from E-wiz for $100.. . you just gotta find them as soon as they are in stock.

 

[soccerballtux]

Still not sure why anyone wants one of these. It's a 4830.

 

[brblx]

because they think saving 30w over the 4850 has some kind of significance, i guess.

 

[sanders4617]

Why do you want 8GB of ram??

 

[sandorski]

I was going to get a 4770 once they were In Stock, but ended up getting a 4850 because the Price was too good to Pass on.

 

[justinm]

I found a 4770 at my local Micro Center for $140. They matched Newegg's price of $100 (about a month ago when there was more then two cards listed) so I got it. Works a lot better and runs cooler then my HD3870.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder

Originally posted by: OCguy
I think I know where they went

It's funny how the Nvidia guys will call the 4770 a paper launch, but then will say that the reason you can't find any GTX295's is because it's such a popular card that they are just flying off the shelves...

Actually Newegg seems to have several 295s in stock
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...ription=gtx295&x=0&y=0

Looks like even fry's has them
http://www.frys.com/product/58...sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG

 

[TheMeanestGuest]

I don't think he was referring to specifically now Wreckage, I'm pretty sure he meant in the past. I admit I could be wrong, but it seems like the most probable conclusion to me.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: TheMeanestGuest
I don't think he was referring to specifically now Wreckage, I'm pretty sure he meant in the past. I admit I could be wrong, but it seems like the most probable conclusion to me.

Actually I think he was just trying to start a flame, but that's ok.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: TheMeanestGuest
I don't think he was referring to specifically now Wreckage, I'm pretty sure he meant in the past. I admit I could be wrong, but it seems like the most probable conclusion to me.

Actually I think he was just trying to start a flame, but that's ok.

Right now you found GTX295's in stock, but they really haven't been around the last few months, and you know that. Over the last few months they were hard to impossible to fid for sale. Was it because they were paper launched, or because they were just so good that everyone wanted on and Nvidia just couldn't keep up with production?

I'm willing to bet I'll be able to find 4770's in stock here and there, that doesn't mean that them being in stock was the norm since launch.

 

[Pneumothorax]

At this time, is there any point for the 4770's other than power/heat savings? Considering that 4850's are much more plentiful and in some cases even cheaper?

 

[Stoneburner]

The 4770 is still the most perfect HTPC card available currently. If it's not for an HTPC, I don't see why you wouldn't go for the 4870 which have been low as $130 or so.

 

[Henrah]

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
The 4770 is still the most perfect HTPC card available currently. If it's not for an HTPC, I don't see why you wouldn't go for the 4870 which have been low as $130 or so.

+1 ^_^