simultaneous coding ala Cryengine3 is pretty much the direction I see things heading, so your guess is moot at this point since it can go either way
Promising means nothing. Consoles are getting all the better games and we get ports and left overs. Complete with dedicated servers removed and gimped match making.
While you're busy trying to get a psychological profile on dredd, I'd like to hear more on your comment concerning GTX295 "it's about as fast as a 5870 (maybe a bit faster overall) and has less features." Are you sure you mean less features? Or is different features the proper way of telling this story?
I'm sure you could come out with a different conclusion if you weighed features between the two.
If you're considering DX11/Eyefinity a feature above a GTX295, then you'd be correct. If you said PhysX/CUDA/3DVision were features above a 5870, you'd be correct as well.
Not trying to profile him, just that someone with a GTX295 says that a $400 5870 isn't worth the money because no games can use it's power it makes me raise an eyebrow. His card is more expensive and generally considered a bit faster even. Yet the 5870 isn't worth it? It just seems like an odd post to me, and as I'm sure you are aware people post things for lots of different reasons.
You are right, 'different' features would have been more accurate. I said that the 5870 has more features, I meant that in a gaming sense. I think the 5870 does have more feaures that a gamer would be interested in, but when you look at everything both cards offer it's more of a case of both offering different unique features vs. more from one or another.
Wow, great info. Generally Euro prices = USD prices due to all the taxes and price hikes in European countries. If they release these cards at $199 and $299 respectively, that can point to a couple of different scenarios. If they're slower than expected (even slower than a 5870) due to yield issues, then the low price is justified by a price/performance curve, and hopefully NVIDIA has enough chips to keep up with demand at the lower price points (this scenario doesn't seem likely). On the other hand, NVIDIA could have a faster product and wants to severely undercut ATI's marketshare, but it seems like they would be selling at very little if the performance is that high but the chips aren't that good (i.e. they're trashing more defective chips due to the higher performance bracket). Of course, if this is all just partner pricing, then who knows in the end (what's the usual markup for retail?). In either case, it will be interesting to see if this is true.The guy "Illtech4" from Tweakers forums (ati fan forum run by CJ in Netherlands) came through with some pricing info yesterday. He says Nvidia partners are saying 199 & 299 Euros... which is about 300 or 400 bucks. He didn't say if that was partner channel pricing or MSRP pricing. And no telling what the int. markets will bear as euro to dollar pricing on gfx cards is not always equivalent, or even equal to the exact currency exhcange rate. Illtech4 does have some credibility though, he was the source of the first photos of the 5870 (minus the chiphell early cooler photos); and he was the first one to leak the official 20 game benchmarks for 5870. He was also the first to post driver screens and overdrive temperature readings. And he has only about 30 posts total. I suspect he will have some 470 & 480 pictures or benchmark leaks soon, but for now his only quote is 199 & 299 euro. 5870 MSRP is about 350-375 Euro
$300-400? If true, Nvidia must've fucked up GF100 badly.
Man the silence is getting more and more deafening. Zero news for quite awhile. You'd think something would be leaking before CeBit.
It's quite ridiculous that we're so "close to release" yet we have absolutely NOTHING yet.
Intel is astonishingly quiet about their 32nm chips that are about to release as well.
Fermi - "it exists"
Westmere - "it exists"
simultaneous coding ala Cryengine3 is pretty much the direction I see things heading, so your guess is moot at this point since it can go either way
I eliminated the only part of your post that wasn't complete fanboyism.
Ehhh... so was it fanboyism that made all the enthusiasts jump on the r300 while Nvidia was hyping the nv30 out of this world? Or how about those who picked up the g80 while Ati was pimping the r600 hype and speculation? No, if anyone learned their lesson, they should have picked up the 58xx cards a while back if they were looking to upgrade, instead of holding out for who knows what, coming who knows when... unless of course they're a fanboy.