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Moonbeam

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Nov 24, 1999
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Probably waiting for 2024 so they don't wind up like Dole. Kennedy and his glowing lip was a total flop. Biden is mentally and physically weak. Pocahontas won't do an ancestry test. Sandersaurous is a mummy. Pelosi has sex with the devil. Schumer has a stick up his ass. And then there's Clinton. Are they going to run another black man? WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! Holder is probably there best choice actually. But he's actually busy doing important work fighting gerrymandering.
 

compuwiz1

Admin Emeritus Elite Member
Oct 9, 1999
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Wow! I'm reading all the outrage on this and decided to do some research as to when asylum seekers began being put into detention centers until their case could be heard. Before I state the facts, I'm going to tell you I don't like this situation any better than you do. Here is what I found and my thoughts on this:

"The 1996 Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act, known by the hard-to-remember acronym IIRIRA. Among other changes, the law made it standard practice to detain asylum seekers while their cases are processed." I don't recall my source for this information, but it's out there. This makes sense because we can't let people who we haven't yet vetted out into the cities. Detention gives time to vet them and time for them to plead their cases for asylum. How would this not make sense?

These are adult detention centers. Children do not belong in a detention center among a general population of adults. The narrative that these kids are being caged like animals is a false narrative, being pushed by the partisans and the media. This is simply not true. These kids are being fostered and cared for. They have daily activities, including games, movies, education, etc. It is possible they spend a short time in a jail like facility, while provisions are made to care for them. That's reasonable and protective. Since the adults are in a detention facility, can't just turn the kids loose to fend for themselves. So, instead of liberals losing their cool, might want to consider the reasons things are done the way they are. These measures protect everyone until there is a resolution to the situation.
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
Sep 5, 2000
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Independents are roughly 40% of the voting block (the other two divide the rest, somewhat equally). Only Trumptardia would be utterly offended (unapologetic snowflakes that they are), if the dems actually called the Trumptardians out for what they are.

Remember that this country is currently in thrall under Casino Mussolini by deign of a mere ~100k votes across a handful of districts, in tiny corners of 3 states, that historically flip on a whim. Trump's base has never changed, but his base never won shit for him or his racist cadre of nationwide nazi wannabees. Trump has long lost those independents in those districts that just wanted to give him a chance. They aren't idiots, and they don't suffer sociopathic fascists like Trump lightly.

nobody knew the president was so hard.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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Wow! I'm reading all the outrage on this and decided to do some research as to when asylum seekers began being put into detention centers until their case could be heard. Before I state the facts, I'm going to tell you I don't like this situation any better than you do. Here is what I found and my thoughts on this:

"The 1996 Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act, known by the hard-to-remember acronym IIRIRA. Among other changes, the law made it standard practice to detain asylum seekers while their cases are processed." I don't recall my source for this information, but it's out there. This makes sense because we can't let people who we haven't yet vetted out into the cities. Detention gives time to vet them and time for them to plead their cases for asylum. How would this not make sense?

These are adult detention centers. Children do not belong in a detention center among a general population of adults. The narrative that these kids are being caged like animals is a false narrative, being pushed by the partisans and the media. This is simply not true. These kids are being fostered and cared for. They have daily activities, including games, movies, education, etc. It is possible they spend a short time in a jail like facility, while provisions are made to care for them. That's reasonable and protective. Since the adults are in a detention facility, can't just turn the kids loose to fend for themselves. So, instead of liberals losing their cool, might want to consider the reasons things are done the way they are. These measures protect everyone until there is a resolution to the situation.

Listen up, dumb fuck. The issue is the separating of families, specifically kids from their parents. This is something that wasn't previously done for misdemeanor violations, such as entering our country illegally.

Do you get it now or do you need to do more research to come up with some counter bullshit?
 
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JSt0rm

Lifer
Sep 5, 2000
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if democrats didnt create the misdemeanor laws trump wouldnt have to separate children from their parents. check mate.
 

compuwiz1

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Oct 9, 1999
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Listen up, dumb fuck. The issue is the separating of families, specifically kids from their parents. This is something that wasn't previously done for misdemeanor violations, such as entering our country illegally.

Do you get it now or do you need to do more research to come up with some counter bullshit?

Stop being disingenuous! The propaganda is a political tool that Democrats are going to play to the hilt in up coming elections. That's exactly what it is. This is not a new practice under the Trump admin. It was also happening during the Obama admin and probably before that. Children do not belong in adult detention facilities, period. Where do you think they should be? They are not being abused and both the parents and children are not isolated from being able to communicate. Some of the kids are staying with relatives who are US residents.
I'll grant that the numbers of asylum seekers has increased, so would the number of children separated from their parents.
How come the previous administration didn't fix it when they had control?

And finally, you can't deal with reason and facts, so you have to resort to personal attacks. Typical!
 

UberNeuman

Lifer
Nov 4, 1999
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Stop being disingenuous! The propaganda is a political tool that Democrats are going to play to the hilt in up coming elections. That's exactly what it is. This is not a new practice under the Trump admin. It was also happening during the Obama admin and probably before that. Children do not belong in adult detention facilities, period. Where do you think they should be? They are not being abused and both the parents and children are not isolated from being able to communicate. Some of the kids are staying with relatives who are US residents.
I'll grant that the numbers of asylum seekers has increased, so would the number of children separated from their parents.
How come the previous administration didn't fix it when they had control?

And finally, you can't deal with reason and facts, so you have to resort to personal attacks. Typical!

So much to say so little.
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
Sep 5, 2000
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Stop being disingenuous! The propaganda is a political tool that Democrats are going to play to the hilt in up coming elections. That's exactly what it is. This is not a new practice under the Trump admin. It was also happening during the Obama admin and probably before that. Children do not belong in adult detention facilities, period. Where do you think they should be? They are not being abused and both the parents and children are not isolated from being able to communicate. Some of the kids are staying with relatives who are US residents.
I'll grant that the numbers of asylum seekers has increased, so would the number of children separated from their parents.
How come the previous administration didn't fix it when they had control?

And finally, you can't deal with reason and facts, so you have to resort to personal attacks. Typical!

nobody was getting locked up indefinitely for a misdemeanor retard. but but democrats. barf.
 

Aegeon

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Nov 2, 2004
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Stop being disingenuous! The propaganda is a political tool that Democrats are going to play to the hilt in up coming elections. That's exactly what it is. This is not a new practice under the Trump admin. It was also happening during the Obama admin and probably before that. Children do not belong in adult detention facilities, period. Where do you think they should be? They are not being abused and both the parents and children are not isolated from being able to communicate. Some of the kids are staying with relatives who are US residents.
I'll grant that the numbers of asylum seekers has increased, so would the number of children separated from their parents.
How come the previous administration didn't fix it when they had control!
You're simply making stuff up or recklessly repeating falsehoods.(From a source where you did not actually provide its origin further complicating verifying its credibility.) Asylum seekers indisputably did not previously ordinarily have the children separated from the parents. (In many of the cases where it did happen the child went into the custody of another relative with the consent of the parents.) You're simply making stuff up about it not being possible for immigrant detention centers to accommodate children. In fact the new policy has already gotten the attention of at least one federal judge who is questioning its legality.
http://www.abajournal.com/news/arti...grant_families_violates_due_process_rights_fe

The fact of the matter is the Trump policy of detaining even those crossing the border illegally in a way that separates the children is new. Even when the Obama administration detailed families "it detained families together in Immigration and Customs Enforcement custody — administrative, rather than criminal, detention."
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/16/us/politics/family-separation-trump.html

Your claim that Trump was simply following existing policy is utterly bogus.
 

compuwiz1

Admin Emeritus Elite Member
Oct 9, 1999
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Look, the Republicans have tried repeatedly, to reach across the aisle and come to solutions on immigration. The Democrats are nowhere to be found on any meaningful legislation. Democrats do not want any solutions that have any foot print of the GOP while they do not control congress. They will continue to resist everything up to and beyond the mid terms. Reason? They wish to continue to demonize Trump and the GOP, thinking it gives them political capital, while continuing to use immigrants and minorities as political pawns. Anyone who has at least one eye can see what their motives are. They've been offered DACA solutions and have soundly rejected everything, so far. Also, any bill that offers DACA and paths to citizenship will be rejected by Democrats, if it ramps up any meaningful border control. Democrats don't want border control. Democrats are not going to be taking back control of anything, anytime soon. Mark what I'm saying and look back at it after the mid terms. If I'm wrong, I'll eat a bug.
 
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MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
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Lies. Just like your lies about this happening under Obama. There was about to be an immigration deal then the White House went back on its own deal. It was crazy.
Look, the Republicans have tried repeatedly, to reach across the aisle and come to solutions on immigration. The Democrats are nowhere to be found on any meaningful legislation. Democrats do not want any solutions that have any foot print of the GOP while they do not control congress. They will continue to resist everything up to and beyond the mid terms. Reason? They wish to continue to demonize Trump and the GOP, thinking it gives them political capital, while continuing to use immigrants and minorities as political pawns. Anyone who has at least one eye can see what their motives are. They've been offered DACA solutions and have soundly rejected everything, so far. Also, any bill that offers DACA and paths to citizenship will be rejected by Democrats, if it ramps up any meaningful border control.
 

cytg111

Lifer
Mar 17, 2008
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Look, the Republicans have tried repeatedly, to reach across the aisle and come to solutions on immigration. The Democrats are nowhere to be found on any meaningful legislation. Democrats do not want any solutions that have any foot print of the GOP while they do not control congress. They will continue to resist everything up to and beyond the mid terms. Reason? They wish to continue to demonize Trump and the GOP, thinking it gives them political capital, while continuing to use immigrants and minorities as political pawns. Anyone who has at least one eye can see what their motives are. They've been offered DACA solutions and have soundly rejected everything, so far. Also, any bill that offers DACA and paths to citizenship will be rejected by Democrats, if it ramps up any meaningful border control.

Motherfucker is 1. abducting children and then 2. keeping children hostage and demanding a damned wall in ransom.
That is what is happening.
Nothing more nothing less.
If Democrats gave into this, where would it end? Where would it end?
This is the EXACT reason why you dont negotiate with terrorists, cause it sets a precedence that terror WORKS. You just cant do that.

The. Buck. Stops. With. Trump.Period.

Stop watching fox and infowars, it fries your brain.

edit : second thought, seriously, where would it end? If Trump got policy through by forcing a moral and ethical response by dems, what lows would he go to next to get his next agenda through?
 
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compuwiz1

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Oct 9, 1999
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Motherfucker is 1. abducting children and then 2. keeping children hostage and demanding a damned wall in ransom.
That is what is happening.
Nothing more nothing less.
If Democrats gave into this, where would it end? Where would it end?
This is the EXACT reason why you dont negotiate with terrorists, cause it sets a precedence that terror WORKS. You just cant do that.

The. Buck. Stops. With. Trump.Period.

Stop watching fox and infowars, it fries your brain.

edit : second thought, seriously, where would it end? If Trump got policy through by forcing a moral and ethical response by dems, what lows would he go to next to get his next agenda through?

Hilarious! Wow. The president does not make law. Those laws are on the books and have been for some time, although they have been discretionary in previous administrations. I don't watch infowars and I only, occasionally refer to Fox to compare what they say to the other medias.

Here is the way I see this all playing out, before the mid terms:
A bill for comprehensive immigration reform passes, including the DACA fix and the wall, with or without the Democrats, by a simple 51 majority vote in the senate. This is where the Republicans are going to unite, or if they don't, they know they're toast.
After that, what are the Democrats gonna run against?
OMG! The economy is booming.
OMG! The GDP is too high!
OMG! Unemployment is the lowest in 44 years!
OMG! Our taxes are too low!
OMG! We aren't forced to buy Obamacare!
OMG! That damn GOP fixed DACA!
OMG! There were actual results, while we did nothing but hold our jock straps with no message!

Yeah, run your candidates against all that, while I laugh. We are getting real results that real people can feel. Feel that!

@PixelSquish, your Democrats are doing nothing, but by all means, continue to vote for them and their terrible performance.
 
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boomerang

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Jun 19, 2000
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Where is the concerted response to what is going on these days from our elected officials? They suck? The top names on the D side should be out there in unison decrying Trumps lies on the separation of kids from parents thing. BUt they are nowhere to be found.

This is the time to unify the party with a message and we get crickets.
They can't be vocal about it because doing so will make it even more widely known that Trump has inherited a mess made by the Democrats. The side effects of which were ignored when 0bama was in office.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXNC9t6KlnQ
 
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UNCjigga

Lifer
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Look, the Republicans have tried repeatedly, to reach across the aisle and come to solutions on immigration.
Ok stop. I won't even read the rest of your shitpost because that right there deserves Uber's laughing Simmons gif. It also tells me you're not serious, you're a trolling moron, or just a partisan hack who can't discern reality from the bullshit you're being spoon-fed.

The reality is that Democrats twice tried to work with moderate Republicans on an immigration bill this year alone, only to have Trump torpedo the whole thing after changing his mind (gee thank you Stephen Miller.)

Before Trump, Democrats again were close on a bipartisan immigration reform bill before McConnell decided to sink it (the famous bill that saw Rubio flip-flop and denounce the same bill he originally cosponsored.)

I know it's hard, but try not to look like an idiot when you're posting.
 

Perknose

Forum Director & Omnipotent Overlord
Forum Director
Oct 9, 1999
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What are Democrats doing? Quietly winning elections.
But you'd never know it because of the pervasive bias of the "Conservative-Eitist MSM," no doubt in league with the Bilderberg Group, the Trilateral Commission, the Illuminati, and, of course, the Jews . . . all of whom pretend to be globalist cucks but which we now know were all Goldwater Girls back in the day. That's right, they're all trans who've had the operation and now clothe themselves in expensive man suits -- you could look it up!

So, don your J. Crew khakis, grab that Home Depot tiki torch and scream it out with me, "They will not replace us!"

^^^ This message brought to you through the sad, salty cascade of my gay libruhl tears.

In summation, my fellow shock troops of the evil socialist left, known as right leaning centrists in the rest of the world:

Miscegenation now, miscegenation tomorrow, and miscegenation forever!
 
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compuwiz1

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But you'd never know it because of the pervasive bias of the "Conservative-Eitist MSM," no doubt in league with the Bilderberg Group, the Trilateral Commission, the Illuminati, and, of course, the Jews . . . all of whom pretend to be globalist cucks but which we now know were all Goldwater Girls back in the day. That's right, they're all trans who've had the operation and now clothe themselves in expensive man suits -- you could look it up!

So, don your J. Crew khakis, grab that Home Depot tiki torch and scream it out with me, "They will not replace us!"

^^^ This message brought to you through the sad, salty cascade of my gay libruhl tears.

In summation, my fellow shock troops of the evil socialist left, known as right leaning centrists in the rest of the world:

Miscegenation now, miscegenation tomorrow, and miscegenation forever!

The only thing keeping me from saying some of you guys have your heads up your asses, is that I don't want to give your rectums too much credit.
 
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Perknose

Forum Director & Omnipotent Overlord
Forum Director
Oct 9, 1999
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The only thing keeping me from saying some of you guys have your heads up your asses, is that I don't want to give your rectums too much credit.
Nobody knows my rectum more intimately than you do. Now STOP flicking your tongue like that, it tickles!
 
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IJTSSG

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Aug 12, 2014
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The only thing keeping me from saying some of you guys have your heads up your asses, is that I don't want to give your rectums too much credit.
Their heads barely slowed when passing their rectums. They have an unabated view of their own tonsils.
 

cytg111

Lifer
Mar 17, 2008
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Hilarious! Wow. The president does not make law. Those laws are on the books and have been for some time, although they have been discretionary in previous administrations. I don't watch infowars and I only, occasionally refer to Fox to compare what they say to the other medias..

Its a flat out lie. Dont believe what you are being told. Dems didnt do this. This is Trumps (with Miller in his ear) doing. Noone elses. Not democrats. Not a democrat. Not a libtard. Trump and only Trump.
You are on the wrong side of history on this one, no matter of midterms or republicans coming together or not is going to change that. Grow a soul man.

Edit : Also Trump has been on record pissing straight into the law with no blowback from congress.. Dont use Trump & Law and Order in the same context please. Like. Ever.
 

m8d

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For a person who likes projected position of strength. Trump is quick to blame someone else when shit goes south.
 

cytg111

Lifer
Mar 17, 2008
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bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla

Also
OMG! The economy is booming.
- Thanks Obama
OMG! The GDP is too high!
- Thanks Obama
OMG! Unemployment is the lowest in 44 years!
- Thanks Obama
OMG! Our taxes are too low!
- If you are a 1%'er ..
OMG! We aren't forced to buy Obamacare!
- People want Obamacare, people want singlepayer.
OMG! That damn GOP fixed DACA!
- It is the GOP and only the GOP that has fucked DACA to begin with.. should we praise them if they manage to unfuck their own clusterfuck?
OMG! There were actual results, while we did nothing but hold our jock straps with no message!
If results is 1. becoming russias stooges and 2. fuck over every single ally in geopolitics, the YEA!!! MAGA!!! WINNING!!! ... Its clear to everybody that Trump has tigerblood...
 
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