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Noah Abrams

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What this country needs is not the two mafias - Democrats and Republicans - the latter being increasingly cruel against brown people. There needs to be a non political movement for basic decency and humanity which this country seems to have lost.
 

fskimospy

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What this country needs is not the two mafias - Democrats and Republicans - the latter being increasingly cruel against brown people. There needs to be a non political movement for basic decency and humanity which this country seems to have lost.

I was just thinking this thread was running low on #bothsides false equivalence. Thanks for rectifying that!
 

SMOGZINN

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There needs to be a non political movement for basic decency and humanity which this country seems to have lost.

We have many non-political movements for basic decency and humanity in this country. They can't get anything done because they are not political.
 
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Noah Abrams

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I was just thinking this thread was running low on #bothsides false equivalence. Thanks for rectifying that!

No, seriously. A Pelosi or Schummer or any generic random self serving Democrat standing up and denouncing the cruelty of the vile one's gang - how much of a moral effect does that have? It is better if they keep their mouths shut, because that only makes something political which is really about basic human decency.
 

Jhhnn

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There is a bi-partisan chorus of voices pressuring the President to back down on the family separation policy. Trump backed himself into a corner. Appease his base or appeal to reason. This is a useful crisis of his own making and a huge gamble heading into midterms.


The enablers are those who voted for Trump. You still fail to understand why.

It is quite possible to reject Trump as a President and simultaneously criticize Clinton as a candidate. That is not obfuscation. That is simple fact. One day you will advance past denial.

Always with the duh-versions. Hillary has nothing to do with the Trump/Sessions agenda other than speaking out against it. But it's oh-so important to drag her name into the conversation. And Obama, of course. Then tear them down as a way to justify Trump & the mental processes of those who voted for him. What part of "Lost their fucking marbles" eludes your grasp?

You might want to examine the difference between appeasing & inflaming the Trump base, as well.

Meanwhile, the claims of bipartisan opposition are extremely thin as Democrats mobilize on the issue-

https://www.rollingstone.com/politi...mp-a-bill-to-outlaw-family-separation-w521650
 

Jhhnn

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No, seriously. A Pelosi or Schummer or any generic random self serving Democrat standing up and denouncing the cruelty of the vile one's gang - how much of a moral effect does that have? It is better if they keep their mouths shut, because that only makes something political which is really about basic human decency.

Yeh, y'all should just STFU in the face of the monstrous nature of the Trump regime.
 

Noah Abrams

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Yeh, y'all should just STFU in the face of the monstrous nature of the Trump regime.

Again, if you stop being so angry all the time, you might understand more.

Even from the purely self serving political calculation, it is better for the generic no-credibility, no respect Dem like Schummer and company to not make too much noise about this. Let the people see what is happening. If they make noise, the first question a person would ask - what is the agenda behind it? What is the real story behind it? And so on and so forth. Dirty people should not touch a clean thing.
 

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If they make noise, the first question a person would ask - what is the agenda behind it? What is the real story behind it? And so on and so forth. Dirty people should not touch a clean thing.

Wait, are you trying to imply that for a person to be against a morally corrupt thing that they must themselves be morally corrupt? I am almost sure that is not what you are trying to say, but it is hard to read that sentence any other way. So, somewhere I think your message is getting lost in the prose.
 

fskimospy

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Again, if you stop being so angry all the time, you might understand more.

Even from the purely self serving political calculation, it is better for the generic no-credibility, no respect Dem like Schummer and company to not make too much noise about this. Let the people see what is happening. If they make noise, the first question a person would ask - what is the agenda behind it? What is the real story behind it? And so on and so forth. Dirty people should not touch a clean thing.

‘Politicians shouldn’t take moral positions because I think they are immoral!’
 
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fskimospy

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Wait, are you trying to imply that for a person to be against a morally corrupt thing that they must themselves be morally corrupt? I am almost sure that is not what you are trying to say, but it is hard to read that sentence any other way. So, somewhere I think your message is getting lost in the prose.

No, he’s saying he has decided they are morally corrupt, therefore any moral positions they take will be viewed as immoral, meaning they should never take any moral stands ever.

It’s circular reasoning.
 

Noah Abrams

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No, he’s saying he has decided they are morally corrupt, therefore any moral positions they take will be viewed as immoral, meaning they should never take any moral stands ever.

It doesn't matter what I have decided. Ask any random person what they think of a Pelosi or Schummer (outside of the elite liberal enclaves of course). So it is best if their kind don't touch this issue. Let the people see what is happening. If elections are decided by independent voters, this is the chance for Dems to get them, by keeping themselves away from this issue. The tribes don't need any convincing. Both tribes.
 

fskimospy

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It doesn't matter what I have decided. Ask any random person what they think of a Pelosi or Schummer (outside of the elite liberal enclaves of course). So it is best if their kind don't touch this issue. Let the people see what is happening. If elections are decided by independent voters, this is the chance for Dems to get them, by keeping themselves away from this issue. The tribes don't need any convincing. Both tribes.

I sincerely doubt the average nonpartisan person has much of an opinion of either one and if anything past evidence shows that sort of thing doesn’t matter. Ask the 2006 Republicans how helpful it was to remind independent voters of Nancy Pelosi.

Parties are defined in two ways: what they are for and what they are against. The idea that party leadership should not weigh in against human rights abuses out of electoral calculus is exactly the sort of behavior you complain about in politicians. If people think they are immoral it probably doesn’t mean anything but on the off chance it does the best way to fight that is by doing more moral things like this.
 

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It doesn't matter what I have decided. Ask any random person what they think of a Pelosi or Schummer (outside of the elite liberal enclaves of course). So it is best if their kind don't touch this issue. Let the people see what is happening. If elections are decided by independent voters, this is the chance for Dems to get them, by keeping themselves away from this issue. The tribes don't need any convincing. Both tribes.

If I ask any random person what they think of Pelosi or Schummer and they are going to look at me with a blank face and ask what I'm talking about. The average person would have to be reminded of who they are. You think they really know enough to have an opinion? They keep getting reelected so they are not as poorly thought of as you seem to think.
 

Jhhnn

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Again, if you stop being so angry all the time, you might understand more.

Even from the purely self serving political calculation, it is better for the generic no-credibility, no respect Dem like Schummer and company to not make too much noise about this. Let the people see what is happening. If they make noise, the first question a person would ask - what is the agenda behind it? What is the real story behind it? And so on and so forth. Dirty people should not touch a clean thing.

No matter what, you'll find a way to tear down the dirty Democrats beginning from scurrilous accusations as to the credibility of Dem leaders. You pander to the Lock her up! crowd as if they're a majority. They are not.

And, uhh, where is the GOP leadership? Hiding. They have to do it that way because they depend on the deplorables to stay in office.
 

fskimospy

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If I ask any random person what they think of Pelosi or Schummer and they are going to look at me with a blank face and ask what I'm talking about. The average person would have to be reminded of who they are. You think they really know enough to have an opinion? They keep getting reelected so they are not as poorly thought of as you seem to think.

Pelosi is quite unpopular but that primarily comes from the fact that Republicans absolutely HATE her. There was a poll the other day where Republicans found Kim Jong-Un to be more favorable than here. Clearly that's a function of absolutely crazed partisanship that's not going to change. Ironically, Mitch McConnell is substantially less popular than Pelosi yet you never hear similar advice for him not to speak about anything. The real issue here is the circular reasoning/begging the question though. He's basically saying that because Pelosi and Schumer are immoral people who put their own power/electoral chances before doing the right thing, they shouldn't do the right thing here because it could hurt their power/electoral chances.

Okay, it's probably just concern trolling.
 

ivwshane

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They are in fear. I think George Will makes a good point. It is not a cult as such, it is fear.

http://thehill.com/homenews/media/3...trump-doesnt-inspire-cult-in-gop-this-is-fear

No its a cult. A cult denounces criticism from anyone and everyone as being against them. Kind of like how people say Democrats are evil and morally corrupt or how others say that when Republicans speak out against trump, they are just RHINO's and not real Republicans.
A cult justifies its leaders actions no matter what. Kind of how people are justifying trumps policy decision as a matter of law when it isnt.
A cult believes everything their leader says because he can never be wrong. Its why not a single trump supporter has ever called out one of trumps lies.
A cult fears some eminent catastrophe. Kind of like how they fear immigrants are going to steal their jobs and way of life. Or how they thought north Korea was going to nuke us (thank god trump saved us).
 

Jhhnn

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They are in fear. I think George Will makes a good point. It is not a cult as such, it is fear.

http://thehill.com/homenews/media/3...trump-doesnt-inspire-cult-in-gop-this-is-fear

Heh. The GOP base has become a cult of Trump. And it's been decades of GOP propaganda leading them to it. Lots of people tried to dissuade them from crazifying their base to that extent but they wouldn't listen. It's how they wedge issued their way into holding power, time & time again, spreading the FUD as cover for their top down class warfare agenda.

Trump stepped up & snatched it away from them by running one of the greatest cons in history. The base is his, heart & soul. If the GOP hadn't softened people's brains quite so thoroughly they never would have been nearly so susceptible.
 

Noah Abrams

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Heh. The GOP base has become a cult of Trump. And it's been decades of GOP propaganda leading them to it. Lots of people tried to dissuade them from crazifying their base to that extent but they wouldn't listen. It's how they wedge issued their way into holding power, time & time again, spreading the FUD as cover for their top down class warfare agenda.

Trump stepped up & snatched it away from them by running one of the greatest cons in history. The base is his, heart & soul. If the GOP hadn't softened people's brains quite so thoroughly they never would have been nearly so susceptible.

I agree pretty much with everything what you say. The base itself is just about the characteristics of a cult - with a messiah who will lead them to the promised land. The R leaders themselves, being politicians with no sense of any value except self interest, are cowering in fear of the vile one, because he has taken over the party. So in that sense Will seems right to me.
 

Jhhnn

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I agree pretty much with everything what you say. The base itself is just about the characteristics of a cult - with a messiah who will lead them to the promised land. The R leaders themselves, being politicians with no sense of any value except self interest, are cowering in fear of the vile one, because he has taken over the party. So in that sense Will seems right to me.

GOP leadership is every bit as vile as Trump. They just hide it better. They must in order to obtain the swing votes to win. But the base won't turn out for them if they cross Trump. Shee-it- the base will threaten to primary them out like Flake. The GOP nurtured this hateful divisiveness for decades & finally lost control of it to Trump.

They deserve Trump even if the rest of us don't.
 

Xellos2099

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Democrats knew it is a legal and lawful things to do, that why they use the approach of inhuman
 

Jhhnn

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Thanks for chiming in to let everyone know how ignorant you are on the subject.
He's right, to a point. Deliberate cruelty isn't necessarily illegal. Leaving the option open tells us a lot about the character of those who employ it, however.
 
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zinfamous

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Obama didn’t seem to have that problem either. I have nothing to apologize for. Keep on rationalizing.

You do understand, don't you, that you only believe what you believe about Hilary and Bill because of 3 decades plus of directed, organized propaganda campaigns against them, right? Do you understand that, or not?

Not a single piece of evidence for the thousands of conspiracy nonsense "Crimes" that they supposedly committed, but the relentless repetition of the same bullshit claims is all that matters. You have a voting base that is thoroughly convinced that only accusations matter, as long as they are accused enough, and enough other voters that have simply heard nothing else, so it must be true enough.

You're one of them.
 
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