Where ATI has failed ...

[flexy]

Don't get me wrong...if i COULD i would get an ATI card again i would..buto you know why i WONT?

Because i am very interested in 3D gaming as an option, i have a 52" "3D Ready" plasma and i also plan to get one of those 120hz LCDs sooner or later. (Sooner is actually more likely, i am waiting for something bigger than 22" )

The fact that only Nvidia cards support halfway good 3d with their 3d-vision excludes any recent ATI card because i want to have that option...and this is somewhat sad.

 

[Genx87]

/popcorn
/Mountain Dew
/lay back in seat and enjoy

 

[yh125d]

Ok

 

[cheesehead]

3d 120hz wut?

All I want is top-notch Linux support. Which, coincidentally, is still better from Nvidia.

That said, if ATI can make a really power-efficient GPU that doesn't suck....well, I might reconsider.

 

[CurseTheSky]

The whole 3D Vision / 3D gaming is a very niche thing right now. ATI (or the graphics division of AMD, I should say) is doing very well compared to how they were 1-2 years ago. They've forced the price of great graphics cards down to the point where you can snag a performance card for under $100, and $200 will get you a card that plays nearly everything at high resolutions and high detail.

 

[crazylegs]

I don't get the point of this post... its more blog worthy than forum worthy.

It contains no questions for people to answer (one was purely rhetorical - thus not requiring an answer), does not attempt to open a meaningful debate, is merely a statement of personal opinion that you prefer the current offerings from NV rather than AMD.

Kool.

 

[SlowSpyder]

I wouldn't say they've failed at all based on that. Right now that is a very, very small market I'm willing to guess. Somehow I doubt that not having a 3D glasses solution is holding them back. But good for Nvidia in giving people that option as it will give them some sales. :thumbsup:

I don't know much about plasma TV's, but are you sure that it can do the Nvidia 3D? I know a lot of LCD TV's with 120Hz or 240Hz displays aren't true 120/240Hz (they are simulated or something) and can't accept the dual DVI input to do so. Not sure if your plasma is the same as those or actually can actually run 120Hz.

 

[Schmide]

Originally posted by: flexy
Don't get me wrong...if i COULD i would get an ATI card again i would..buto you know why i WONT?

Because i am very interested in 3D gaming as an option, i have a 52" "3D Ready" plasma and i also plan to get one of those 120hz LCDs sooner or later. (Sooner is actually more likely, i am waiting for something bigger than 22" )

The fact that only Nvidia cards support halfway good 3d with their 3d-vision excludes any recent ATI card because i want to have that option...and this is somewhat sad.

Ironically, you could reverse the dickishness of your post because the limiting factor on AMD enabling a 3d vision capabilities on 3d glasses, is nVidia.

Do you really think an ATI card is unable signal a pair of glasses to switch it's state? Adjacently, what do you think prevents certain chipsets from running SLI cards? nVidia is famous for closed technology.

 

[DaveSimmons]

I don't care about this kind of 3D.

So I DID buy an ATI 4870 last year and I AM happy with IT. Yay me!

Edit: Perhaps we need a poll to see whether this really is a failure.

 

[OCGuy]

"ATi" isnt doing that bad. It is AMD as a whole that may be a goner.

 

[error8]

Weird thread. I wonder why didn't he punched the CUDA topic in it too.

 

[flexy]

Originally posted by: CurseTheSky
The whole 3D Vision / 3D gaming is a very niche thing right now.

Yes it is, absolutely. Personally, i just would want to have that option. ATI's 3D support was ALWAYS lacking.

There's also no question that this is no criteria if someone is not interested in this.

Otherwise, as said, i WOULD probably give ATI preference since i am still thinking they have a little edge when it comes to AA quality and overall value/performance might be better.

Its really not an Ati/AMD <--> NV rant..its rather a conclusion and i think its sad that i dont have the same option with ATI/AMD for 3D gaming.

 

[thilanliyan]

Which plasma do you have?

And I hope you have a good card because IIRC framerate is cut in half since everything has to be rendered twice.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Out of curiosity, what 3D glasses games are you playing with your nV card now? Perhaps you can convince us of the awesomeness where the hardware PhysX fans have failed.

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
I don't care about this kind of 3D.

So I DID buy an ATI 4870 last year and I AM happy with IT. Yay me!

Edit: Perhaps we need a poll to see whether this really is a failure.

Agreed!.... I actually hate the 3D vision glasses,as to 120Hz monitors well that would be nice to have but for the same price you can get a very nice 60Hz IPS/VA panel with better viewing angles and colour,let me know when there's 120Hz IPS I'll be interested.

 

[Arkaign]

I like Nvidia (have one of their cards now), as well as ATI, but I looked at an Nvidia 3d Vision display at Fry's (running Warcraft rpg thing), and it looked like a bag of smashed arseholes. I don't mean the circa-2003 graphics, which wasn't the fault of anyone but Blizzard, but rather the horrible flickering. Maybe their display was just borked, but it looked horrendously bad.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Arkaign
I like Nvidia (have one of their cards now), as well as ATI, but I looked at an Nvidia 3d Vision display at Fry's (running Warcraft rpg thing), and it looked like a bag of smashed arseholes. I don't mean the circa-2003 graphics, which wasn't the fault of anyone but Blizzard, but rather the horrible flickering. Maybe their display was just borked, but it looked horrendously bad.

There cannot be any flourescent lighting. It interferes with the IR signal. At least that is what I have found. Others have mentioned that to. Otherwise, you get hellacious flickering.

 

[Red Irish]

Originally posted by: flexy
Don't get me wrong...if i COULD i would get an ATI card again i would..buto you know why i WONT?

Because i am very interested in 3D gaming as an option, i have a 52" "3D Ready" plasma and i also plan to get one of those 120hz LCDs sooner or later. (Sooner is actually more likely, i am waiting for something bigger than 22" )

The fact that only Nvidia cards support halfway good 3d with their 3d-vision excludes any recent ATI card because i want to have that option...and this is somewhat sad.

As the owner of crossfired HD 4850's, I have to say that you are right, this is breaking my heart...it keeps me up at night.

:thumbsup:

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: Keysplayr

Originally posted by: Arkaign
I like Nvidia (have one of their cards now), as well as ATI, but I looked at an Nvidia 3d Vision display at Fry's (running Warcraft rpg thing), and it looked like a bag of smashed arseholes. I don't mean the circa-2003 graphics, which wasn't the fault of anyone but Blizzard, but rather the horrible flickering. Maybe their display was just borked, but it looked horrendously bad.

There cannot be any flourescent lighting. It interferes with the IR signal. At least that is what I have found. Others have mentioned that to. Otherwise, you get hellacious flickering.

Ah, interesting, and it makes sense really. Perhaps they should have put a shroud / umbrella setup over the display area. Fry's has tons of nasty lighting Luckily that's not too common in any home room playing games.

 

[flexy]

Originally posted by: thilan29
Which plasma do you have?

And I hope you have a good card because IIRC framerate is cut in half since everything has to be rendered twice.

its a samsung ps50A series, but the 3d is very WEAK. Very bad ghosting.
That's why i rather want a 24"+ 120hz LCD for my desk.
The point is that with 120hz LCD and Nvision you would have the currently best 3d available, no ghosting and NO flicker. (120hz means effectively 2x60 hz which means no flicker). And as far as i know also no ghosting.

As for the card..i still have a 8800GTS and i was looking at a cheap GTX275 today (they really came down in price)...but i might wait til GTX300 comes out. I admit ATM i mainly play WoW...and that graphics engine is so unspectacular that ATM i wouldn't even have a need for a beefier card I just think it would be idiotic to get a 275 with the 300 coming very soon...

 

[flexy]

Originally posted by: Mem

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
I don't care about this kind of 3D.

So I DID buy an ATI 4870 last year and I AM happy with IT. Yay me!

Edit: Perhaps we need a poll to see whether this really is a failure.

Agreed!.... I actually hate the 3D vision glasses,as to 120Hz monitors well that would be nice to have but for the same price you can get a very nice 60Hz IPS/VA panel with better viewing angles and colour,let me know when there's 120Hz IPS I'll be interested.

i have a "normal" BenQ X2200W and i am extremely happy with it, viewing angles, colors, everything. But the newer 120hz are VERY tempting...

 

[waffleironhead]

Gotta love the thread title. Great way to start a conversation with such a trolling line.

You keep saying that ATI has failed at 3D, what 3D products do they have on the market? I'm ignorant to this market so I would be generally interested to know.

 

[sandorski]

Somewhere, deep inside the AMD/ATI Compound, faint whimpering can be heard.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Somewhere, deep inside the AMD/ATI Compound, faint whimpering can be heard.

LMAO... You know, I bet there is actually some truth to that. Somehow.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Somewhere, deep inside the AMD/ATI Compound, faint whimpering can be heard.

True, but that's been true since 1986 so you're not really say anything new