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ronnn

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Originally posted by: flexy

All i am saying is that there are way stupider ways to waste money.

Buy a volvo?

Computers are quite a cheap hobby, unless you get real stupid.

 

Keysplayr

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Originally posted by: ronnn
Originally posted by: flexy

All i am saying is that there are way stupider ways to waste money.

Buy a volvo?

Computers are quite a cheap hobby, unless you get real stupid.

Hey!! Volvos are boxy, but good!!

RIP Dudley Moore. Very funny man.
 

flexy

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Originally posted by: ronnn
Originally posted by: flexy

All i am saying is that there are way stupider ways to waste money.

Buy a volvo?

Computers are quite a cheap hobby, unless you get real stupid.

true actually...i am amazed because i just had to get a new dual layer dvd burner...i remember when a CD burner was like really elite... Now i can get a dvd burner for $20
And ?175+ for a GTX 275 is not that bad either. A few years ago i was more extreme, i always bought *the latest* graphics cards as soon as they came out just to have it.

Its stupid since you would have to wait some time to get the latest DX11 OS games anyway...and of course, two months later (sometime even weeks) that stuff gets significantly cheaper. Oh..i remember i actually made that mistake again when the 8800 G92 came because i needed it the second it was available


 

dflynchimp

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I think the OP has made his preference very clear, but that doesn't diminish the fact that this thread was one big pointless bait for argument to begin with.
 

AyashiKaibutsu

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They're bleeding money while competing with a company that's making profits and capable of spending much more on R&D. It's probably less that they just refuse to develop these things and more that they're incapable of trying to since diverting any more money from just processing directx/opengl would probably cause them to fall way too behind.
 

Keysplayr

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Originally posted by: dflynchimp
I think the OP has made his preference very clear, but that doesn't diminish " my opinion" that this thread was one big pointless bait for argument to begin with.
Fixed
 

SirPauly

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Originally posted by: flexy
Originally posted by: ronnn
Originally posted by: flexy

All i am saying is that there are way stupider ways to waste money.

Buy a volvo?

Computers are quite a cheap hobby, unless you get real stupid.

true actually...i am amazed because i just had to get a new dual layer dvd burner...i remember when a CD burner was like really elite... Now i can get a dvd burner for $20
And ?175+ for a GTX 275 is not that bad either. A few years ago i was more extreme, i always bought *the latest* graphics cards as soon as they came out just to have it.

Its stupid since you would have to wait some time to get the latest DX11 OS games anyway...and of course, two months later (sometime even weeks) that stuff gets significantly cheaper. Oh..i remember i actually made that mistake again when the 8800 G92 came because i needed it the second it was available
All imho:

Stupid may be too strong based on subjective desires and wallet size or budget restraints. In many cases, there are usually premiums with new technologies for early adopters but the key is what can the technology be used for?

When we look at Stereo3d -- sure, it is based on shutters, but it's been years and years and much more polished Stereo3d for wide-screen LCD's. All I hear is comparisons to a 2 plane of existence and really believe many don't realize how impressive the effect is and what it does to the experience. It's not perfect in all and some limitations but a step forward in Stereo3d. In my mind, there is no objective comparison with Stereo3d to a 2d plane and the comparsion shouldn't be simple numbers because it's not apples-to-apples on the screen. If one believes a 1920 x 1200 resolution with 2d will offer an obvious gaming experience over a 1680 x 1050 with stereo 3d -- in my mind-set -- it's not even close, and the only limitation may be 2d gaming. Sure, 1920 x 1200 is great but with the flexibility of Stereo3d.

The other key is a desire to transform one's gaming from another -- it's a strong out-of-the-box ability and simply a choice to think about. One that may be used in many, many titles and hopefully improves through maturity with software and hardware. Big picture is the entertainment industry is moving in this direction and as time passes, improvements, more flexibility, maturity, hopefully more choices or monitors and more affordable. It's not just an upgrade but a totally different way of playing games.

On DirectX 11:

More than welcomed as these new improved features should improve the experience and gets the ball rolling, but usually with newer generational tech comes the promise of raw performance to boot -- which may be used in many different ways and why I am a huge advocate of flexibility and choice. Titles and gamers are not all created equal, so why should our settings be? As some gamers may be performance driven others may be experience driven and gaming, is not about just the fastest for all. If you're going to offer raw performance -- give me tools to use to improve immersion in many -- instead of just benchmark titles that are used in cookie cutter reviews. It's wonderful to have added performance in modern titles but also wonderful to have tools and choice to improve immersion for the many.

When a gamer offers "good enough" or an IHV offers a "good enough" impression -- really brings a negative message to me. An IHV must continue to try -- at all costs -- to improve the experience -- willing to have courage to create markets and lead -- instead of the safe way and not willing to take risk.







 

Dribble

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Personally it is influencing what I will buy next:
-My next monitor will be 120hz whatever happens because it's just plain better for games (even without 3d).
-All I have ever heard is great reviews about the 3D effect for the games that support it fully (which is only a few, but does include L4D and other games I play a lot of).
-The glasses aren't that expensive, and by the time I buy will have got even cheaper.

When I buy a DX11 card, assuming performance/$ is similar I'd go nvidia for the 3d option.
 

solofly

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Originally posted by: dflynchimp
but that doesn't diminish the fact that this thread was one big pointless bait for argument to begin with.

No shit... Maybe I should start a thread stating why the POS greedy dishonest arrogant nvidia will never make it into any of my boxes again...
 

SirPauly

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Personally would never limit my choice based on illusions more-than actual data. Pricing is dictated more-so with competition and market conditions than anything else. Never fault a company for trying to make as much as they can based on they take all the risk.

 

akugami

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Originally posted by: SirPauly
Personally would never limit my choice based on illusions more-than actual data. Pricing is dictated more-so with competition and market conditions than anything else. Never fault a company for trying to make as much as they can based on they take all the risk.

Agreed. From a consumer standpoint, it was terrible. Who wants to pay more money when they can buy it for less? Certainly not I. However, from a business standpoint, great move by nVidia. They had ATI down with weaker products compared to theirs and they took advantage of it by charging more money. That's not their fault. Blame ATI more than anything else for being non-competitive and allowing nVidia to charge an arm and a leg.
 

ronnn

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Originally posted by: SirPauly
Personally would never limit my choice based on illusions more-than actual data. Pricing is dictated more-so with competition and market conditions than anything else. Never fault a company for trying to make as much as they can based on they take all the risk.

This Anne Rand attitude gets more companies in trouble than anything else. No one likes to get bad bumps from arrogant. dishonest, viral #@#$#@#$'s - and consumers can be fickle. Intel does seem to be the exception - they make money and no one gets too mad.

Seems to me, neither amd or nvidia are doing too great right now - and both are hoping next gen will save them. Lets hope for them they get these parts out the door.
 

Keysplayr

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Originally posted by: solofly
Originally posted by: dflynchimp
but that doesn't diminish the fact that this thread was one big pointless bait for argument to begin with.

No shit... Maybe I should start a thread stating why the POS greedy dishonest arrogant nvidia will never make it into any of my boxes again...

That sounds like a good idea. :thumbsup:

 

Keysplayr

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Originally posted by: ronnn
Originally posted by: SirPauly
Personally would never limit my choice based on illusions more-than actual data. Pricing is dictated more-so with competition and market conditions than anything else. Never fault a company for trying to make as much as they can based on they take all the risk.

This Anne Rand attitude gets more companies in trouble than anything else. No one likes to get bad bumps from arrogant. dishonest, viral #@#$#@#$'s - and consumers can be fickle. Intel does seem to be the exception - they make money and no one gets too mad.

Seems to me, neither amd or nvidia are doing too great right now - and both are hoping next gen will save them. Lets hope for them they get these parts out the door.


ronnn, how many people here do you think know who Anne Rand is short of a google search?
 

ronnn

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Based on the high quality of debate, I would say most are well informed when it comes to dramatic fiction.
 

ronnn

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GM focused on the high end and left the little, efficient stuff for others. That, along with inconsistent quality has killed them. Ford took a different route and looks to survive.

Anyways sure this is well off topic, as I don't even have 3d glasses.
 

mwmorph

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Originally posted by: Keysplayr
Originally posted by: ronnn
Originally posted by: SirPauly
Personally would never limit my choice based on illusions more-than actual data. Pricing is dictated more-so with competition and market conditions than anything else. Never fault a company for trying to make as much as they can based on they take all the risk.

This Anne Rand attitude gets more companies in trouble than anything else. No one likes to get bad bumps from arrogant. dishonest, viral #@#$#@#$'s - and consumers can be fickle. Intel does seem to be the exception - they make money and no one gets too mad.

Seems to me, neither amd or nvidia are doing too great right now - and both are hoping next gen will save them. Lets hope for them they get these parts out the door.


ronnn, how many people here do you think know who Anne Rand is short of a google search?

I will not comment on Ayn Rand's view of full lassiez faire capitalism(ok, one comment, it doesn't work, nothing on the radical fringe like Bolshevik Communism or completely free market capitalism is feasible an any way, shape or form in any real world situation), but Keys, let's face it, Bioshock has exposed an entire generation of PC gamers to at least the very, very basic concept of Ayn Rand and objectivism.
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: Keysplayr
Originally posted by: ronnn
Originally posted by: SirPauly
Personally would never limit my choice based on illusions more-than actual data. Pricing is dictated more-so with competition and market conditions than anything else. Never fault a company for trying to make as much as they can based on they take all the risk.

This Anne Rand attitude gets more companies in trouble than anything else. No one likes to get bad bumps from arrogant. dishonest, viral #@#$#@#$'s - and consumers can be fickle. Intel does seem to be the exception - they make money and no one gets too mad.

Seems to me, neither amd or nvidia are doing too great right now - and both are hoping next gen will save them. Lets hope for them they get these parts out the door.


ronnn, how many people here do you think know who Anne Rand is short of a google search?

Some people really like Ann Rand


. . . maybe not BioShock'd people

and AMD is as Viral .. and "evil" .. and "whatever" as the REST of 'em
.. *including* MS, Intel and Nvidia
:brokenheart:

AMD and Anti-Competitive Practices
 

SirPauly

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All, imho.

I don't know, it just seems that prices are set more-so based on competition and market conditions. I don't know, it just seems that if a company has vision and takes all the risk -- making a profit seems very fair. Don't understand how this translates so easily into Ayn Rand.

If one is only pro-consumer -- then it would be really hard for a company to survive.

My mind-set is pro company and pro consumer. Strong companies provide great competition which creates great innovation and value.

Limiting one's choices in the technology field is tough for my mind-set considering how few choices they are. Technology is too important to be clouded by politics, semantics and a person's subjective view on how they deem a company -- this is what I mean by illusions or how an individual perceives a company and their employees as a whole.

I have too much respect for the IHV's engineering and talents to offer colorful wording or cheap-shots, sorry. Personally may raise negatives, cons and limitations but in a constructive fashion.










 
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