Where can I find SATA To 4-3 Pin Adapter for Extra two Fans?

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Where can I find SATA to 4-3 Pin Adapter? I need them for 2 Fans.
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Are you sure you couldn't just use splitter cables for fan connectors on the motherboard? Connecting fans directly to the power supply will make them run at a constant speed, which is typically noisy.
 

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Are you sure you couldn't just use splitter cables for fan connectors on the motherboard? Connecting fans directly to the power supply will make them run at a constant speed, which is typically noisy.
Original (DUMB): I am kinda new to Computers still learning. Could you link me the item you are describing? This is the first PC I build on my own.

EDIT: That sounded very stupid. I actually know what you are talking about I was just distracted when I read it. I don't want to use a FAN Splitter cable to/from the Motherboard because I feel like I might not have enough Power to power both fans and could damage something.

By the wey Hey lehtv nice to see you again
 
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Dual pack of splitter cables: Noctua NA-SYC1 $8 @ amazon
Single splitter cable: Rosewill RCFC-16002 $4.39 @ amazon

The connectors are 4-pin, allowing you to run either two 4-pin PWM fans off of one 4-pin PWM connector on the motherboard, or two 3-pin fans off of one 3-pin or 4-pin connector on the motherboard. Note that not all 4-pin connectors on the motherboard support PWM - some are 4-pin just for marketing purposes. But the motherboard can still control non-PWM (i.e. 3-pin) fans by adjusting the voltage, so you don't have to run them at 100% speed when the CPU is running cool anyway.

Your Z170X Gaming 7 has one CPU fan header which supports PWM control, and three system fan headers which don't (see manual page 28) So, with splitters you can easily connect up to eight fans to the four headers - two PWM fans to the CPU fan header (one of which is the CPU fan itself, the other can be a rear case fan, for instance) and six 3-pin fans to the rest.
 

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Hey lehtv what do you think if I
Dual pack of splitter cables: Noctua NA-SYC1 $8 @ amazon
Single splitter cable: Rosewill RCFC-16002 $4.39 @ amazon

The connectors are 4-pin, allowing you to run either two 4-pin PWM fans off of one 4-pin PWM connector on the motherboard, or two 3-pin fans off of one 3-pin or 4-pin connector on the motherboard. Note that not all 4-pin connectors on the motherboard support PWM - some are 4-pin just for marketing purposes. But the motherboard can still control non-PWM (i.e. 3-pin) fans by adjusting the voltage, so you don't have to run them at 100% speed when the PC is not doing anything.

Your Z170X Gaming 7 has one CPU fan header which supports PWM control, and three system fan headers which don't (see manual page 28) So, with splitters you can easily connect up to eight fans on the four headers - two PWM fans on the CPU fan header, six 3-pin fans on the rest.

Excellent! You know I didn't take into consideration the fact that if I used SATA or MOLEX to 3pin I would be running the fans at Full speed constantly. The reason I didn't want to use Splitter was because I've read at least 2 people say that they damaged their Motherboard because it was "Too much Power". I feel like its a risk you know? that's why I wanted the SATA/Molex option not thinking of the fact they would run at full speed in my case I think it would be @2,000rpm but not sure. The 2 extra fans I am trying to run are 2 stock Cooler master Fans for my Mastercase Pro 5. I got 2 in the front, one on the Back and these 2 I wanted on the top pushing air down.
 

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I wanted to use SATA to Molex to 3pin.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812423171&ignorebbr=1
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https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812423188&ignorebbr=1
I didn't however consider that they would be indeed running at Full speed until you mentioned it. I tried looking on Newegg specifications for the Mastercase Pro5 to see what RPM the stock fans are but I couldn't find it.

Right now according to HWmonitor my 2 front fans are running between 720-880 RPM Using 3Pin connection on Motherboard and they are bearably audible. You think running them at full speed would be really loud? I wonder how I can know what is MAX RPM for these fans.

EDIT: Sorry for SPAMMING. I just saw the Fan runs at 1,200RPM Max
 
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Hey lehtv what do you think if I

Excellent! You know I didn't take into consideration the fact that if I used SATA or MOLEX to 3pin I would be running the fans at Full speed constantly. The reason I didn't want to use Splitter was because I've read at least 2 people say that they damaged their Motherboard because it was "Too much Power". I feel like its a risk you know?

It seems extremely unlikely that you could damage your motherboard by running two fans from one header. Generally a fan header supports at least 1 A of current. A typical case fan uses maybe 0.2A or less. Some very high speed fans may use enough power that two of them would saturate a single fan header's output, but even in that case it's unlikely that something would break; instead, the fans just wouldn't run properly.

I got 2 in the front, one on the Back and these 2 I wanted on the top pushing air down.

That sounds like a bad idea, pushing air down from the top when you already have front fans pushing air in. Generally, you want air to flow in a specific direction, usually from front and low to back and up. If fans push air in from opposing directions, they're just working against each other and airflow suffers.

In my experience, the top fan slot closer to the front is completely useless with a normal gaming PC that uses a few hundred watts. Running a fan in that slot will not have a real impact on temperatures, it will just make the PC noisier. In MasterCase Pro 5, I would set up fans like so: three in the front pulling air in, one in the back pushing air out, then possibly one in the top slot closer to the back of the case pushing air out. But top fan is probably not needed given how little power i7-6700K and GTX 970 consume.

Right now according to HWmonitor my 2 front fans are running between 720-880 RPM Using 3Pin connection on Motherboard and they are bearably audible. You think running them at full speed would be really loud? I wonder how I can know what is MAX RPM for these fans.

EDIT: Sorry for SPAMMING. I just saw the Fan runs at 1,200RPM Max

Yeah 700-800RPM sounds about right for a 1200 RPM fan using the default motherboard setup. It may be possible to make them run slower than that using the Silent setting or a custom fan curve in the motherboard setup.
 
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It seems extremely unlikely that you could damage your motherboard by running two fans from one header. Generally a fan header supports at least 1 A of current. A typical case fan uses maybe 0.2A or less. Some very high speed fans may use enough power that two of them would saturate a single fan header's output, but even in that case it's unlikely that something would break; instead, the fans just wouldn't run properly.



That sounds like a bad idea, pushing air down from the top when you already have front fans pushing air in. Generally, you want air to flow in a specific direction, usually from front and low to back and up. If fans push air in from opposing directions, they're just working against each other and airflow suffers.

In my experience, the top fan slot closer to the front is completely useless with a normal gaming PC that uses a few hundred watts. Running a fan in that slot will not have a real impact on temperatures, it will just make the PC noisier. In MasterCase Pro 5, I would set up fans like so: three in the front pulling air in, one in the back pushing air out, then possibly one in the top slot closer to the back of the case pushing air out. But top fan is probably not needed given how little power i7-6700K and GTX 970 consume.



Yeah 700-800RPM sounds about right for a 1200 RPM fan using the default motherboard setup. It may be possible to make them run slower than that using the Silent setting or a custom fan curve in the motherboard setup.
Interesting Points to take into consideration, thank you for that. Taking into consideration what you stated above as a valid point I wanted to have 2 fans Pushing down since it will be blowing down directly unto my CPU Cooler-Cryorig M9i which isn't very powerful itself and its compact. Basically the Cryorig M9i is one step up from Intel Stock cooler. But with that being said my idea was for The 2 front fans to Push air in cooling the CPU/Motherboard (GPU is fine at this point no need for cooling) and the 2 Top fans Blowing Down on the CPU/Motherboard and the Rear exhaust fan venting the air out.

The other real reason for me putting 2 more 140mm Fans on the TOP is because I have them laying around and have no use for them, figure this was a proper way to put them to good use by mounting them on the top, all they are doing right now is sitting in the Closet inside a box lol
 

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I wanted to mention. Its funny because when I turn my ceiling fan Full speed my Temperatures drop 1-2c lol one of my motivational reasons why I want to mount those two 140mm fans on the top of my case, just gotta find the best way to do it.
 
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The M9i is definitely more than just one step up from the stock cooler, it's a heck of a lot better. There are loads and loads of coolers between it and the stock cooler. The M9i is can even challenge many 120mm coolers like 212 EVO despite being smaller.

Generally, the best thing you can do for temperatures is to exhaust hot air as quickly as possible from where it's being generated. Supplying even more cool air isn't going to help when you already have a couple of intake fans, and your CPU cooler's fan takes only a small amount of air when it pushes air through the heatsink.

With a 140mm rear exhaust fan right on the path of airflow coming from the CPU cooler itself, there's really nothing much else you can do to airflow that would substantially improve temperatures without making the PC also As I said, another 140mm exhaust fan at the top closer to the back may help just a little bit but probably not enough to matter.

I wanted to mention. Its funny because when I turn my ceiling fan Full speed my Temperatures drop 1-2c lol one of my motivational reasons why I want to mount those two 140mm fans on the top of my case, just gotta find the best way to do it.

And you think that 1-2C makes any difference? What CPU temperature do you have at load (hottest core)?
 

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The M9i is definitely more than just one step up from the stock cooler, it's a heck of a lot better. There are loads and loads of coolers between it and the stock cooler. The M9i is can even challenge many 120mm coolers like 212 EVO despite being smaller.

Generally, the best thing you can do for temperatures is to exhaust hot air as quickly as possible from where it's being generated. Supplying even more cool air isn't going to help when you already have a couple of intake fans, and your CPU cooler's fan takes only a small amount of air when it pushes air through the heatsink.

With a 140mm rear exhaust fan right on the path of airflow coming from the CPU cooler itself, there's really nothing much else you can do to substantially improve temperatures. As I said, another 140mm exhaust fan at the top closer to the back may help just a little bit but probably not enough to matter (maybe another 1 or 2 Celsius).

And you think that 1-2C makes any difference?
What CPU temperature do you have at load (hottest core)?
I agree the M9i is a great little cooler! I am really glad I bought mine!
I actually get a kick out of it when I see 1-2c less lol And sorry for the bad edit
This is my Temperatures after running Realbench for 15 minutes and I also have the CPU Undervolted to a negative offset -0.065v

Hey what good are two 140mm Fans in my closet lol better put them to good use. I need to decide however 2 factors
#1 Is using a 1,200RPM fan full speed extremely loud?
#2 would using a Fan Splitter be a better choice than Molex/SATA
 
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FINAL DECISION! SOLVED!

After searching around on Youtube and the internet I found that my fans wouldn't be excessively loud running full speed @1,200RPM. So instead of going with the FAN Splitter so the Motherboard has to say on the Fan speed I decided to let the Fans go at full @1,200RPM Speed.

I just bought the SATA to Molex and the Molex to 3pin X4 (Links a few post above).

Also in my questions above. After some searching online I determined and Agree with Lehtv that Having the 2 above fans as exhaust rather than Pushing air in is also the best solution.

I am a happy camper!

Thanks!

Also found this Neat Picture diagram online!
 
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@EpicSurvivor I can't see the images.

I don't understand why you don't want to let the motherboard control the speed for you. You could still force the motherboard to run them at 100% if you wanted to. But why would you want to...? Do you like it when the computer is louder than it needs to be?

I believe I said the other top fan is useless in your scenario. You would get the same temperatures with just one top exhaust fan installed near the back of the case . If you must use both fans, install one of them as a front intake. That way you have three intakes and two exhausts -> more pressure in than out -> dust won't creep in so easily.
 

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@EpicSurvivor I can't see the images.

I don't understand why you don't want to let the motherboard control the speed for you. You could still force the motherboard to run them at 100% if you wanted to. But why would you want to...? Do you like it when the computer is louder than it needs to be?

I believe I said the other top fan is useless in your scenario. You would get the same temperatures with just one top exhaust fan installed near the back of the case . If you must use both fans, install one of them as a front intake. That way you have three intakes and two exhausts -> more pressure in than out -> dust won't creep in so easily.

I apologize for misunderstanding what you had said. As stated in my earlier post. I already have 2 front fans, 1 rear fan and happen to have TWO 140mm fans in my closet that work so I am just going to install them on the Top instead of having them laying around..

My decisions of running them at Full speed and Not using the Motherboard is for two reasons. #1 After several videos on Youtube I looked up running the fans at 12v @1,200RPM Is not that loud
#2 I have the idea or premise that running so many fans using the Motherboard via Splitter is not a good choice (For me in my case only) I feel that this would put too much demand on the Motherboard and I have read of 2 people stating they had similar issues due to this.

So having TWO 140mm Fans that work in my closet why not Mount them as Top exhaust? 12v @1,200 RPM doesn't sound that loud.

I apologize for contradicting you in some parts, I also apologize for any misunderstanding. I Took into consideration everything you said and shared with me to make this decisions.

I'd much rather have TWO 140mm as Top exhaust than to have them in my closet inside a box
 

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I apologize for misunderstanding what you had said. As stated in my earlier post. I already have 2 front fans, 1 rear fan and happen to have TWO 140mm fans in my closet that work so I am just going to install them on the Top instead of having them laying around..

But why not install one of those fans you have laying around in the front? Your case can accommodate three fans in the front. 3 front + 1 top + 1 back is better than 2 front + 2 top + 1 back.

My decisions of running them at Full speed and Not using the Motherboard is for two reasons. #1 After several videos on Youtube I looked up running the fans at 12v @1,200RPM Is not that loud
#2 I have the idea or premise that running so many fans using the Motherboard via Splitter is not a good choice (For me in my case only) I feel that this would put too much demand on the Motherboard and I have read of 2 people stating they had similar issues due to this.

Point #1 is not valid given that you can also run them at 100% with the motherboard. As for point #2, I've stated that a typical fan header provides much more current than two typical fans require. Can you provide links to the sites where your read about other people having issues due to using splitter cables? How do you know what they said is actually correct? I'd like to see if there's something to these claims that motherboards can break due to using fan splitter cables.

So having TWO 140mm Fans that work in my closet why not Mount them as Top exhaust? 12v @1,200 RPM doesn't sound that loud.

Voltage doesn't matter to how loud something is. But 1200 RPM for a 140mm fan is pretty loud in my experience. 300-400 RPM is close to inaudible in daytime, 600-800RPM is bearable without headphones, 1000-1200RPM starts to be a bit annoying even with headphones. But I suppose it's possible that 1200 RPM isn't too loud, since a lot depends on other things as well:
  • how close the computer is to your ears
  • whether it's on the floor or on the table
  • how well your headphones isolate noise (if you use headphones)
  • how well the case absorbs fan noise (front door usually helps alot)
  • how the fans are mounted: rubber mounts absorb vibrations better than screws
  • how much obstruction there is close to the fan blades (more obstruction = more noise from air flowing through the obstruction)
  • how sensitive hearing you have
  • and of course some fans are just louder than others at the same RPM
I apologize for contradicting you in some parts, I also apologize for any misunderstanding. I Took into consideration everything you said and shared with me to make this decisions.

Sure, don't sweat it, it's all cool. I'm just interested in understanding why you made the decisions that you did. In an ideal world, I'd be able to give advice that people would follow 100% because I'd be able to assess what people need and then provide advice that works best for them, so they would have no reason to not follow the advice. In the real world though,
(a) I don't know everything,
(b) I'm not a perfect communicator and sometimes I may be too technical or assume the reader knows more than he does,
(c) the reader isn't perfect either and doesn't always understand everything I say,
(d) the reader may be stubborn and won't accept advice and help, but rather just wants validation for his own ideas

I just want to see if there's something in (a) and (b) that I could've done better. (c) and (d) I can't do anything about

I'd much rather have TWO 140mm as Top exhaust than to have them in my closet inside a box

But the other 140mm exhaust is not useful. Just test it. If there's no difference in temperatures, then what is the fan doing other than making the PC noisier and pulling in more dust? And if that's the case, isn't the logical conclusion that it would be better to keep the fan in the closet?

Also, I encourage you to test having three front intakes. There may or may not be much of an effect on temperatures, but the higher pressure inside the case will slightly reduce the rate at which dust builds up.
 
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I can see the pictures now, it was probably something on my end.


73C for the hottest core is good, there's no practical reason why you should have lower temperatures. But if 71C or 72C makes you happy...

Also found this Neat Picture diagram online!

Just because there's a diagram doesn't mean that's how you should setup airflow. I could draw a different diagram that would conflict with that diagram... then how would you know which diagram to trust? . A diagram is just a visualization of someone's idea, but that idea may be a bad idea or a good idea.

Your case is completely different to the one in the diagram. It's much more open at the front where multiple fans can push air directly to components. Your case's rear panel has a much more open design, allowing air to flow out freely - it doesn't need to be pulled up to be exhausted.
 

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I am on mobile at the doctor's office you wrote a very thorough reply. Just to clarify my case can't fit three 140mm fans in the front. I've checked and it's not possible.

I'm going to go ahead and just experiment since the first time I do this.
I've never used to Fan splitter before.

You got me nervous with your reply lol. I honestly don't know how to answer.

But since I can't fit 3 fans on the front I'm going to put them both my extra fans on the top
 

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I am on mobile at the doctor's office you wrote a very thorough reply. Just to clarify my case can't fit three 140mm fans in the front. I've checked and it's not possible.

Manufacturer specs says you can: http://www.coolermaster.com/case/mid-tower/mastercase-5/

Cooler Master said:
140mm x2
(pre-Installed)

120/140mm x1
(optional)

Also the manual page says "3 x 120mm or 140mm".

There's almost certainly something about the front fan installation that you've misunderstood, or you've maybe mistaken what case you have? I just find it extremely unlikely the manufacturer would print incorrect specs on both the manual and the website.
 

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Manufacturer specs says you can: http://www.coolermaster.com/case/mid-tower/mastercase-5/



Also the manual page says "3 x 120mm or 140mm".

There's almost certainly something about the front fan installation that you've misunderstood, or you've maybe mistaken what case you have? I just find it extremely unlikely the manufacturer would print incorrect specs on both the manual and the website.
I sincerely apologize to you again. You seem to be correct. In this situation It's my fault for not clarifying that I have a DVD drive on the top Bay cage. Besides that I never knew I could have Three 140mm Fans on the front.
 
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Do you actually use the DVD drive? I haven't needed one for many years, since all the games are on Steam, GOG etc., all the drivers are on the internet, all the movies are on streaming services, all the operating systems are better installed from USB modules, and all the backups are on external hard drives or the cloud. If you could move all your DVD usage needs to other mediums, you could get rid of the DVD drive too
 

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Do you actually use the DVD drive? I haven't needed one for many years, since all the games are on Steam, GOG etc., all the drivers are on the internet, all the movies are on streaming services, all the operating systems are better installed from USB modules, and all the backups are on external hard drives or the cloud. If you could move all your DVD usage needs to other mediums, you could get rid of the DVD drive too
I considered it but I have GTA 5 on DVD FarCry 4 on DVD and Civilization 5 on DVD also going to add Dying Light on DVD. Reason I buy DVD and not Digital download on "Some" Games is because we have a Data cap on our internet at home, I tend to go over the limit just from regular usage and gaming so I buy hard copy games that's the reason I bought the DVD drive and its the only use I have for it. Honestly what I really should have done from the Start was get an external DVD Drive via USB but didn't cross my mind unfortunately. Right now I am on such a tight budget that I don't see my self spending not even $10 to buy an external one. I know it sounds bad but Its something personal going on with my finances so I am really trying to limit my self for this short period. Maybe in the future I can change the DVD Drive and just buy an external one. I wish I would have taught of this when I was buying all hte parts to build my Computer. My build would also look cleaner and nicer without the DVD Drive/bay in the case lol. Oh well you learn from mistakes.
 

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Yeah that's perfectly understandable. External would be the way to go but that's twice the cost of a 5.25" drive, not really worth it when you already have a 5.25" drive.
 

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Yeah that's perfectly understandable. External would be the way to go but that's twice the cost of a 5.25" drive, not really worth it when you already have a 5.25" drive.
Yea see these are the things you don't know when you do your first SOLO build with no ones help. If I would have known or thought about this stuff Last year I wouldn't have had this problem later. My next build I am not going to buy a 5.25" drive, just going to buy an external USB Drive in case I need it.
 

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Original (DUMB): I am kinda new to Computers still learning. Could you link me the item you are describing? This is the first PC I build on my own.

EDIT: That sounded very stupid. I actually know what you are talking about I was just distracted when I read it. I don't want to use a FAN Splitter cable to/from the Motherboard because I feel like I might not have enough Power to power both fans and could damage something.

By the wey Hey lehtv nice to see you again

You wont damage anything, IIRC the corsair H50 has a single header for the pump and up to 2 fans, all running off of 1 motherboard connector. Worst case scenario your fans dont get enough voltage and run quieter and slower.

EDIT - Just curious, why use SATA -> 3/4 pin instead of molex? Im sure molex adapters are more common and maybe even cheaper. I know ive got a bunch of them.
 
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