Where does the Netanyuhu claim of defenseable borders go?

[Lemon law]

The problem with the Zebo ideology is in simply in the past failures of US stupidity. We supported a Baptista and instead get a Cuban Castro, we supported the Shah of Iran and get the Mullahs of Iran. We tried to oppose the historical force of Vietnamese independence and got our ass kicked instead. And Zebo has to be the dumb ass of the new century if the USA thinks he can get anywhere by calling 1.4 billion Muslims as dumb asses opposed to world peace.

Especially when its the USA that is trying and failing to impose their will in Iraq and Afghanistan at the same time the USA is acting like arrogant idiots.

We have to therefor ask, what does Zebo fail to understand about counter productive US foreign policy?

 

[Jhhnn]

It's not meant to be. It's meant to be a Jewish state that puts Jewish needs first.

In other words, some citizens are more equal than others, right?

 

[Freshgeardude]

In other words, some citizens are more equal than others, right?

all citizens inside the state of Israel has full equal rights under the law, written by the declaration of statehood and reaffirmed by the supreme court of israel.


the same can not be said for any arab country, which treats its remaining christian and jewish population in a state of second class, aka Dhimmi.

 

[Lemon law]

As FGD dude says, "all citizens inside the state of Israel has full equal rights under the law, written by the declaration of statehood and reaffirmed by the supreme court of israel."

Except for ** 2 Million Arab Israeli citizens who are being pushed out of East Jerusalem by Israeli zoning restriction not to mention 30% of all of the Israeli population that will never have any human rights. As for the Israeli court system, Jesus Christ what a fraud. as Isreali officials simply ignore any Israeli court decisions.

As we have countless Israeli settlements declared illegal by Israeli courts years ago still unmoved by Israel today. Israeli courts are nothing but a fraud and everyone knows it.

 

[airdata]

well, when you spread out so far that you have 300,000 people on land that doesn't belong to you, it's hard to defend borders that aren't technically your borders. I think it goes something like that.

 

[Freshgeardude]

As FGD dude says, "all citizens inside the state of Israel has full equal rights under the law, written by the declaration of statehood and reaffirmed by the supreme court of israel."

Except for ** 2 Million Arab Israeli citizens who are being pushed out of East Jerusalem by Israeli zoning restriction not to mention 30% of all of the Israeli population that will never have any human rights. As for the Israeli court system, Jesus Christ what a fraud. as Isreali officials simply ignore any Israeli court decisions.

As we have countless Israeli settlements declared illegal by Israeli courts years ago still unmoved by Israel today. Israeli courts are nothing but a fraud and everyone knows it.

2 million arabs. NOT israeli citizens. israel never claims them citizens of their country.

why would they have rights in a country that isnt their own?



Here you stand, wanting for a palestinian state, yet you call them israeli citizens.


come "9/11" like you claim, do those 2 million go from being israelis to palestinians automatically?

what is the process for an israeli citizen to become a palestinian?

 

[Nebor]

In other words, some citizens are more equal than others, right?

I don't think they should extend citizenship to non-jews, but yes, non-jewish citizens should be second class. Allowing them to vote and determine foreign policy could be detrimental to Israel.

 

[Jhhnn]

I don't think they should extend citizenship to non-jews, but yes, non-jewish citizens should be second class. Allowing them to vote and determine foreign policy could be detrimental to Israel.

Refreshingly honest. If that's the true Israeli headset, then why should the US support it? Doesn't government based on race, color, ethnicity, creed or religion run completely counter to our own ideology?

 

[Harabec]

LL is making up facts again. He's a class A troll, I'll admit.

Israel - as I see it - is a place of refuge to Jews that still gives all of its citizens full rights. Yes, arab-israeli polulation centers often get left behind. It is natural - I think it'll take decades to level the playing field - there has to be trust between everyone and, well, a lot less corruption in arab society. The situation is slowly improving. Remember Israel is very young. The US needed a lot more time to treat its second-class citizens (up from slaves) as equals in the majority of places.
The israeli arabs do indeed need to prove their non-hostility if we all want to live together. By their own decisions they will make their future.

I think thats what it comes down to - do the palestinians stay slaves to their current mentality or will they grow up and build a nation?
Fact is - border disputes will mean much, much less once my neighbor stops trying to kill me. It is then that we can talk about peaceful exchanges, governing, lands and more.

 

[Jhhnn]

all citizens inside the state of Israel has full equal rights under the law, written by the declaration of statehood and reaffirmed by the supreme court of israel.

If that were true, then housing construction permits for non-jewish Israelis would exist in rough proportion to permits for jewish citizens, and non jewish Israelis would be moving in to the annexed territories along with jewish citizens. Neither one of those things are happening, however.

 

[Throckmorton]

How can a country be a democracy and a Jewish state at the same time?

 

[dakU7]

How can a country be a democracy and a Jewish state at the same time?

What the f*** does one got to do with the other?

 

[Jiggz]

There's probably a very good reason why ancient wars between these civilizations were all done through "Total Attrition"! Although winners of such wars only achieved temporary peace until new generations or new "converts" of the enemy surface again. For winners of total attrition war, to ensure peace they must also practice continuance of such attrition, or the so called "Nipping off the buds" even before future enemies take their first breathe!

 

[Jhhnn]

What the f*** does one got to do with the other?

That was the question, yes. Perhaps it's too deep for you to appreciate.

 

[Tom]

What the f*** does one got to do with the other?

special rights for some people is in conflict with the democratic principle of equality.

 

[Nebor]

Refreshingly honest. If that's the true Israeli headset, then why should the US support it? Doesn't government based on race, color, ethnicity, creed or religion run completely counter to our own ideology?

A lot of Americans feel we have a religious\moral duty to support Israel. I see them as an island of sanity in a sea of dark age religious fanatics. Before we had our own wars against Islam, we had the Israelis to test out our newest weapons in combat. And as our wars come to an end around 2014, Israel's role as a combat weapon systems tester will become important again.

We've supported lots of shady\non-democratic governments in the past that frankly did many more horrible things than Israel ever has. At least with Israel, we're supporting people like us.

 

[Nebor]

special rights for some people is in conflict with the democratic principle of equality.

Giving voting rights to people that want your state destroyed is in conflict with the principle of common sense. I think they're being pretty generous allowing them to live in Israel, with more freedom than they could live anywhere else in the ME.

 

[Lemon law]

special rights for some people is in conflict with the democratic principle of equality.

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The idea of Israel as a purely thocratic state is as old as zionism, but only raised as a dangerou idea very recently. Because only ultraorthadox Jews set the standards and many
more secular Israeli Jews would not be recognized as Jews.

It also leaves every country in the world free to not recognize the Theorcratic State of Israel, also a very dangerous and self isolating act.

 

[Nebor]

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The idea of Israel as a purely thocratic state is as old as zionism, but only raised as a dangerou idea very recently. Because only ultraorthadox Jews set the standards and many
more secular Israeli Jews would not be recognized as Jews.

It also leaves every country in the world free to not recognize the Theorcratic State of Israel, also a very dangerous and self isolating act.

We recognize all the whacko Islamic Republics out there... Why not a sensible, sound Jewish state?

 

[dakU7]

special rights for some people is in conflict with the democratic principle of equality.

For "some people"? Please explain.

 

[nick1985]

LL is just OBSESSED with anything and everything Israel.

 

[JEDIYoda]

If that were true, then housing construction permits for non-jewish Israelis would exist in rough proportion to permits for jewish citizens, -- you have no documentation to support your assumption that it is not true.....show us where....oh Please show us the facts that show what the percentages are...Please....

and non jewish Israelis would be moving in to the annexed territories along with jewish citizens. Neither one of those things are happening, however.-- however your logic is scewered and completely wrong. Who is to say that non-Jews desire to have those construction permits?

rofl....

 

[Generator]

The Jews will be placated whether they like it or not. The Great Placater Obama has spoken!

 

[Jhhnn]

MORE BOLDED RAVING

The answer to your "question" took a single Google, lasting but a few seconds. It'll probably take a little longer if you're waving your arms in the air, foaming at the mouth and screaming incoherently, so I'll give you access with a single click-

http://www.google.com/search?q=arab...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

Learn to use the quote function, OK? It's not hard.

 

[Nebor]

The answer to your "question" took a single Google, lasting but a few seconds. It'll probably take a little longer if you're waving your arms in the air, foaming at the mouth and screaming incoherently, so I'll give you access with a single click-

http://www.google.com/search?q=arab...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

Learn to use the quote function, OK? It's not hard.

That wiki really shows how good the Arabs have it in Israel. IMO they shouldn't be allowed citizenship there at all, and should only be allowed in the country as laborers, as in Saudi Arabia or the UAE.