Where have our Conservative members gone?

[Fanatical Meat]

I know @werepossum said he’s been real busy with work a few months ago, I know Doc rage quit. Where are the others?
Have the responsible members gotten tired of defending an obviously corrupt & incompetent administration? Have they accepted that the current batch of Republican Congress critters are not willing to do any hard work plus totally caved regarding the deficit?

Something else?

What do you think?

(Please keep it courteous)

 

[MomentsofSanity]

It's the liberals fault!

/SlowSpider

 

[ecogen]

They probably got killed by Antifa.

 

[shortylickens]

Werepossum is not a conservative.

He argues for logic which means he cannot be liberal or conservative.

 

[Blackjack200]

I know Doc rage quit.

LOOOL, is that true? did he have a qq sign-off post?

 

[Blackjack200]

Werepossum is not a conservative.

He argues for logic which means he cannot be liberal or conservative.

Justifying awful politics with "logic" is not uncommon on the right. It's especially common with libertarians.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

LOOOL, is that true? did he have a qq sign-off post?

Yes, he had well written post that was a mod call out type thing that got deleted.
He thanked several people. Complained a bit like every goodbye letter.
Overall a classy post but I totally understand it crossed the mod call out line a bit much to tolerate.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Werepossum is not a conservative.

He argues for logic which means he cannot be liberal or conservative.

Partially agree, he is a libertarian but he seems to support & vote Republican a lot.
He definitely is in the Conservative wing of these forums.

 

[cytg111]

Yes, he had a post that was a mod call out type thing that got deleted.

Aaaaw.. Deleted? Why cant we have nice things?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

LOOOL, is that true? did he have a qq sign-off post?

PM sent

 

[umbrella39]

Sock puppet accounts now do their bidding... Too embarrasing to support this clown IRL or on here...

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Wait, Conservatives here? Where? They'd be yelling louder than the Left about things like the overt disregard for law and the proposed assumption of the powers of the other branches of government. Using an EO to disregard the Judiciary and Legislature and redefine the Constitution virtually overnight, which is Trump's stated intention? They would want his head on a metaphorical pole and be screaming for impeachment and removal.

I think you've confused "Conservatives" with "Reptilians".

 

[fskimospy]

Werepossum is not a conservative.

He argues for logic which means he cannot be liberal or conservative.

Uhmm, did you ever see the sheer volume of absolutely batshit insane conservative conspiracy theories werepossum bought into?

 

[K1052]

The caravan got them.

 

[fskimospy]

I think the big reason is that there are two kinds of conservatives, the old style/economic kind and the culture war kind.

1) Old style - if you were one of these would you want to come around defending this shit show? Your tribal identity probably still lies with Republicans so you don't come out explicitly against it but it's also not defensible so you disengage.

2) Culture war - if you're in for the culture war with Trump these days that means embracing abject racism, sexism, anti-immigrant paranoia, and all sorts of insane conspiracy theories. That's the kind of thing that gets you banned around here.

That's my guess at least.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I think the big reason is that there are two kinds of conservatives, the old style/economic kind and the culture war kind.

1) Old style - if you were one of these would you want to come around defending this shit show? Your tribal identity probably still lies with Republicans so you don't come out explicitly against it but it's also not defensible so you disengage.

2) Culture war - if you're in for the culture war with Trump these days that means embracing abject racism, sexism, anti-immigrant paranoia, and all sorts of insane conspiracy theories. That's the kind of thing that gets you banned around here.

That's my guess at least.

Good summary, that’s what I was thinking.

 

[pauldun170]

They probably got killed by Antifa.

what about smoking?
More conservative are killed by cigarettes than antifa? How come no one is doing anything about that sort of thing?
/s

edit: Adding /s because "certain members" might get confused by that statement and report me to the mods.

 

[realibrad]

People that come to P&N are typically people that want to express their political ideas. That means moderates are less likely to come and talk here. Add in how angry everyone appears to be post Trump, and moderates have less reason to give an opinion that will be attacked. Given that the majority of people on P&N are Left leaning, the majority of the anger is going to come from the left. That leaves very little reason for a conservative to come and talk here.

 

[Commodus]

Some of them get frustrated that we don't just swallow easily debunked lies (like the attempt to conflate modern Democrats with segregation/slavery). Others... well, their bigotry and hypocrisy sets them on a collision course with the mods. There are a few conservative posters I half-expected to see in the news for all the wrong reasons.

 

[Commodus]

People that come to P&N are typically people that want to express their political ideas. That means moderates are less likely to come and talk here. Add in how angry everyone appears to be post Trump, and moderates have less reason to give an opinion that will be attacked. Given that the majority of people on P&N are Left leaning, the majority of the anger is going to come from the left. That leaves very little reason for a conservative to come and talk here.

We'd love to see moderate conservatives here, and to some degree they are here. The thing is, no moderate person on either side of the aisle can realistically support Trump, because that involves defending some utterly indefensible things, like constant lying, overt corruption and general incompetence.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Given that the majority of people on P&N are Left leaning, the majority of the anger is going to come from the left. That leaves very little reason for a conservative to come and talk here.

I'm unhappy with Trump on a good day, and certainly angry on others. As I will not commit to being bound by an ideology I have the very traditional conservative view that there are supposed to be three co-equal branches which serve as checks and balances on each other. At no time should any President even contemplate the direct usurpation of the powers invested by the Constitution into the Legislature and Judiciary and that is precisely what Trump has announced when he said we don't need to change the Constitution, he can just sign an EO and it's done.

That would void all the decisions of the courts, involving not just the 14th but with a signature the entire Constitution. This is an act of enormity, not some "well he's at it again" foolishness.

What ideological concept would support that? Yes there is an answer, and that particular one removes all possibility of it being moderate, liberal or conservative.

The reason you don't see "moderate" responses is that there can be no rational basis for them.

 

[UberNeuman]

Uhmm, did you ever see the sheer volume of absolutely batshit insane conservative conspiracy theories werepossum bought into?

Guess he didn’t see or chosen to ignore the time when wereweasel made the threat to go the streets over the Jill Stein vote recount or any attempt to disput the election results.

Sounds a lot like the guy who shot those people last week.

 

[fskimospy]

We'd love to see moderate conservatives here, and to some degree they are here. The thing is, no moderate person on either side of the aisle can realistically support Trump, because that involves defending some utterly indefensible things, like constant lying, overt corruption and general incompetence.

This is a good point, 'moderate' is not whatever is the midpoint between where the two political parties are at the moment. If one party stays in the same place and the other becomes way more extreme that doesn't mean moderates must move with them to remain moderate.

Trump supporters are basically a coalition of plutocrats and culture warriors. Moderate conservatives have jumped ship and so they're probably mistaken for liberals at this point. Hayabusa Rider would most likely have been a 'moderate conservative' in the past but I suspect he's mistaken for a liberal today simply because Trump repulses him. He didn't change, the Republican Party went insane.

 

[fskimospy]

Guess he didn’t see or chosen to ignore the time when wereweasel made the threat to go the streets over the Jill Stein vote recount or any attempt to disput the election results.

Sounds a lot like the guy who shot those people last week.

He was also super into the Uranium One conspiracy theory.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Guess he didn’t see or chosen to ignore the time when wereweasel made the threat to go the streets over the Jill Stein vote recount or any attempt to disput the election results.

Sounds a lot like the guy who shot those people last week.

Shooting someone over Politics is totally not Wereposum. He’ll be pissed, he may go to a protest but no way is he shooting someone.
I could imagine him holding a protester for the police to arrest but that’s about all.