Where have our Conservative members gone?

[ch33zw1z]

I don't know if you are entirely right. Let's take Trump when he does batshit crazy stuff.

"Why did Trump say that the could have the Senate investigate the House?"

A rational explanation of the irrational Trump.

"He's an asshole that's fucked in the head with no sense whatsoever".

That's rational.

The bouncing "logic" ball went like this:

-tweaker makes assertion that conservative posters will be back in to gloat.
-realibrad says posting history of conservatives doesn't seem to support this assertion.
- I challenge this by questioning the rational nature of conservatives.

Yet, let's flip your example back a few years and see how the "rational" conservatives behaved during Obama's duration.

I've taken kindly to giving my kids a terrorist fist jab over a quality joke, or good times.

I may just require a full birth certificate proving he's my son and then deny it anyways for the lulz.

 

[realibrad]

That's rational.

The bouncing "logic" ball went like this:

-tweaker makes assertion that conservative posters will be back in to gloat.
-realibrad says posting history of conservatives doesn't seem to support this assertion.
- I challenge this by questioning the rational nature of conservatives.

Yet, let's flip your example back a few years and see how the "rational" conservatives behaved during Obama's duration.

I've taken kindly to giving my kids a terrorist fist jab over a quality joke, or good times.

I may just require a full birth certificate proving he's my son and then deny it anyways for the lulz.

Do you mean to say that their irrational actions will manifest in inconsistent posting?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Do you mean to say that their irrational actions will manifest in inconsistent posting?

That's been the assertion from my first reply. Sorry if that wasn't clear enough. My initial reply was short and sweet.

I understand what you're saying with posting history being a good indicator of what will happen. I offer additional variables in play that simple logic doesnt account for.

 

[pmv]

And people still are clueless as to why the "conservative" posters don't seem to be around? If this isn't a parody thread, Houston we have a problem.

What's your point? If you are saying conservatives are not around because 'leftists' (and, boy, is that term relative - there's a lot of scope for angry rows within that very heterogeneous group) are aggressive and/or rude, does that make conservatives 'snowflakes'? Politics really is a serious business (unlike video cards or PC games, though no-one seems to have told the participants in those forums). It's life-or-death in some cases. Arguments about it are always going to get heated. The rudeness and bad temper here is clearly from 'both sides' and it would be naive to expect otherwise. And the same developments that produced Trump clearly make polarisation worse and anger greater on forums like this.

Non-partisan forums are always likely to be unstable because as soon as one side feels beleaguered due to being outnumbered they are likely to leave or participate less. It's kind of a miracle when that doesn't happen.

 

[realibrad]

What's your point? If you are saying conservatives are not around because 'leftists' (and, boy, is that term relative - there's a lot of scope for angry rows within that very heterogeneous group) are aggressive and/or rude, does that make conservatives 'snowflakes'? Politics really is a serious business (unlike video cards or PC games, though no-one seems to have told the participants in those forums). It's life-or-death in some cases. Arguments about it are always going to get heated. The rudeness and bad temper here is clearly from 'both sides' and it would be naive to expect otherwise. And the same developments that produced Trump clearly make polarisation worse and anger greater on forums like this.

Non-partisan forums are always likely to be unstable because as soon as one side feels beleaguered due to being outnumbered they are likely to leave or participate less. It's kind of a miracle when that doesn't happen.

This is a tech forum that has a P&N section. The value of this section for people is likely quite low if they are moderates Left or Right. So why spend your limited time here getting attacked when you likely value other things more than a political section on a tech forum?

 

[nakedfrog]

This is a tech forum that has a P&N section. The value of this section for people is likely quite low if they are moderates Left or Right. So why spend your limited time here getting attacked when you likely value other things more than a political section on a tech forum?

I'm mostly here for perspective on what the spectrum of beliefs looks like, from far left to far right, and I can see all of that from here.

 

[realibrad]

I'm mostly here for perspective on what the spectrum of beliefs looks like, from far left to far right, and I can see all of that from here.

That is my position exactly. People often accuse me of things because I ask questions to see what they believe. This forum for me is a place where I get a sense of what people think and feel. That motivates me to engage.

Most people are not like that. While I can deal with the attacks, most people do not value what I value, and will simply avoid this. Further, when one side is the vast majority of the "discussion" and you are on the opposing side, you will likely just leave. Because again, why put yourself out there when what you would have to deal with is simply not worth it.

 

[brandonbull]

So if the Left is to blame for being to aggressive, do you carry any blame for purposefully trying to trigger them?

I'm sorry if different opinions trigger people. "It's your fault that I'm so mad"? Are we 2 years old?

 

[nickqt]

I'm sorry if different opinions trigger people. "It's your fault that I'm so mad"? Are we 2 years old?

Let me answer that.

Politically and maturity-wise, yes. Definitely yes.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I'm sorry if different opinions trigger people. "It's your fault that I'm so mad"? Are we 2 years old?

Projection 101.

 

[realibrad]

I'm sorry if different opinions trigger people. "It's your fault that I'm so mad"? Are we 2 years old?

Well, it's not that you have different opinions. The tone you use has a clear intent behind it. Or are you unaware of this?

 

[umbrella39]

What's your point? If you are saying conservatives are not around because 'leftists' (and, boy, is that term relative - there's a lot of scope for angry rows within that very heterogeneous group) are aggressive and/or rude, does that make conservatives 'snowflakes'? Politics really is a serious business (unlike video cards or PC games, though no-one seems to have told the participants in those forums). It's life-or-death in some cases. Arguments about it are always going to get heated. The rudeness and bad temper here is clearly from 'both sides' and it would be naive to expect otherwise. And the same developments that produced Trump clearly make polarisation worse and anger greater on forums like this.

Non-partisan forums are always likely to be unstable because as soon as one side feels beleaguered due to being outnumbered they are likely to leave or participate less. It's kind of a miracle when that doesn't happen.

Isn't amazing to watch self identified victims like him cry about this place and their continual desperate attempts to paint anyone who doesn't think like them as leftists... So that's pretty much anyone here who left of Rush... So ironic when THEY are the ones that are the cookie cutter caricatures of right wing talking points parrots... All the same... Yet all so victimized they had to run away to another forum save a few. Nope, those old conservative posters that could at least somewhat intelligently defend Bush have all but run out of here... For the most part all that is left are sock puppets, concern trolls, and the pariahs that have actually found their Jesus in Trump...

Betcha won't find one other 'leftist' here like me:

1. Devout Catholic.
2. Support the death penalty including fusillading.
3. Carry.
4. Hunt.
5. Kill furry animals.
6. Stock freezer with meat.
7. (used to) Pay NRA dues
8. Support very strong border control.

I've found most people posting here to be more centrists if anything. Most aren't pushing some socialist agenda we hear about all the time...

etc, etc, etc... I'm comforted in knowing that I can join the ranks of the all the sane people in the world who doesn't take Alex Jones' words as Gospel....

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I’ve noticed even more have fled feels like close to no conservatives are left besides the handful of sock puppet/troll accounts that I think are the same guy.
Even the Russian Trolls have disappeared.

Feels like responsible conservatives have abandoned defending this mess of a President and I’m wondering if Puti has buyers remorse.

 

[Sonikku]

What I suspect is that instead of reevaluating their conservative views in light of damning facts, most of them probably just moved on to ultra conservative nutter butter conspiracy website forums where their views will not be challenged. At the same time, our own views are challenged less as a result. We're all the poorer for it.

 

[Jaskalas]

I suspect the Democrat Party is big tent enough for plenty of disagreement. We'll just have to accept that our discussions will more often relate to inter party (primary election) politics rather than general election.

 

[HurleyBird]

I’ve noticed even more have fled

It's almost certainly the downvotes/rep system. Changes the dynamic from merely a (fairly steep) uphill battle to an exercise in masochism.

 

[Blackjack200]

What I suspect is that instead of reevaluating their conservative views in light of damning facts, most of them probably just moved on to ultra conservative nutter butter conspiracy website forums where their views will not be challenged. At the same time, our own views are challenged less as a result. We're all the poorer for it.

Nobody is poorer for not hearing that shit.

 

[Thunder 57]

It's almost certainly the downvotes/rep system. Changes the dynamic from merely a (fairly steep) uphill battle to an exercise in masochism.

You got it! If it could be separate from the rest of the forums or some just not apply in this forum it might work. As is, forget it. That may have been the last straw.

 

[UberNeuman]

I’ve noticed even more have fled feels like close to no conservatives are left besides the handful of sock puppet/troll accounts that I think are the same guy.
Even the Russian Trolls have disappeared.

Feels like responsible conservatives have abandoned defending this mess of a President and I’m wondering if Puti has buyers remorse.

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https://twitter.com/x/status/1073782435802951684

You should consider an uncomfortable truth that all these "conservatives" you keep asking about are happy with everything Trump is doing, except the part when he is quite public about things they'd rather not have said - even when everyone sees the sickness of their party.

lol.

 

[Jhhnn]

I think a lot of conservatives are being chastened by the Trump experience. It's like what Michael Moore said- it's what happens when you use your vote as an anger management tool. You get screwed.

I don't want to belabor it too much, but we tried to tell 'em they were making a yuge mistake but Donald, the Russians & the GOP noise machine got 'em all so worked up screaming Fuck You! at the rest of us that they really didn't want to listen. Really pushed their buttons. I hope they got it out of their systems.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Hmm maybe a sub-forum called “Deplorables” need to have 10,000 down votes to view or post in deplorable sub-forum

 

[Lanyap]

What I suspect is that instead of reevaluating their conservative views in light of damning facts, most of them probably just moved on to ultra conservative nutter butter conspiracy website forums where their views will not be challenged. At the same time, our own views are challenged less as a result. We're all the poorer for it.

Didn’t they create a conservative version of twitter or Facebook recently?

 

[Jhhnn]

Didn’t they create a conservative version of twitter or Facebook recently?

It's called Gab. I'm afraid to look.

 

[sportage]

They are here, they just hide out.
Like with the election of 2016.
You'd had think everyone here was a Hillary supporter, then Trump won and those so called conservatives came out in mass to voice their approval.
Just as it was across the country. Everyone "thought" it was a cake walk for Hillary, then the closeted Trump cult came out of the shadows and surprise.... Donald Trump elected president.
On no, conservatives haven't gone anywhere. They just lurk in the shadows until its safe to sound off. They'll be back late election night 2020 after Trump wins a second term.

 

[Lanyap]

It's called Gab. I'm afraid to look.

There’s a new one called Parler News. It’s a new conservative twitter clone. Just saw it on my news feed the other day.
https://dailycaller.com/2018/12/12/conservatives-twitter-alternative-platform-parler-news/

I’m not active on social media. The only time I find out about this stuff is when they’re posted here or come through my news feed. LOL.