Where have our Conservative members gone?

[Texashiker]

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Perknose
Forum Director

When a member asks an honest question, they deserve an honest answer.

You either think you are above the rules or you are a very slow learner. Please re-read the bolded mod comment you quoted above, and this time, take it to heart.

Perknose
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[Victorian Gray]

I think you are correct!!!

 

[brycejones]

When a member asks an honest question, they deserve an honest answer.

I think you got one. Take your bitching to the right place, that's an honest answer.

 

[Muse]

Short version is "I like Cohen now because he threw Trump under the buss". I have no issue with that, but lets be honest about it. There is no need to pretend that Cohen redeemed himself, because he didn't. The "I was hypnotized" defense just doesn't fly.

I think Cohen is making a reasonable case that he's trying to redeem himself. The congress-men/women thugs who tried to dump-truck on him the stones of his former life only brought shame on themselves. Cohen's response in many instances was a subtle shake of his head. It was great theater. The Reprobate party is cast in stone now. Sodom and Gomorrah paved the way, they are salt statues.

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Those who give up liberty for security deserve neither. - Benjamin Franklin

 

[Greenman]

I think Cohen is making a reasonable case that he's trying to redeem himself. The congress-men/women thugs who tried to dump-truck on him the stones of his former life only brought shame on themselves. Cohen's response in many instances was a subtle shake of his head. It was great theater. The Reprobate party is cast in stone now. Sodom and Gomorrah paved the way, they are salt statues.

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Those who give up liberty for security deserve neither. - Benjamin Franklin

Those that hate Trump will buy into Cohen's story because it fits in with their beliefs, and they could be correct. I'm skeptical because Cohen stands to profit from his redemption, and the simple fact that he's still trying to shift the blame away from himself.

 

[UberNeuman]

Those that hate Trump will buy into Cohen's story because it fits in with their beliefs, and they could be correct. I'm skeptical because Cohen stands to profit from his redemption, and the simple fact that he's still trying to shift the blame away from himself.

Ladies and Gentlemen - I give you the party of personal responsibility.

lol. Cohen made Trump stick his dick in a pornstar, yes sir indeed.

 

[Jhhnn]

Those that hate Trump will buy into Cohen's story because it fits in with their beliefs, and they could be correct. I'm skeptical because Cohen stands to profit from his redemption, and the simple fact that he's still trying to shift the blame away from himself.

So, all of the shitty things he did for Trump he did because he's the shitty one, not Trump.

Oh, and Cohen is the one trying to shift the blame, obviously.

 

[Meghan54]

Those that hate Trump will buy into Cohen's story because it fits in with their beliefs, and they could be correct. I'm skeptical because Cohen stands to profit from his redemption, and the simple fact that he's still trying to shift the blame away from himself.

If Cohen was acting in such a shitty way, doing things for Trump without his permission, why did Trump keep him on as his personal lawyer for so long? You'd think that a person in power (Trump) would not want an attorney doing illegal/questionable things in his name without his knowledge...and keep him (Cohen) on the payroll.

 

[Jaskalas]

I hate to say it, but it's the crux of the issue.

Take Global Warming, for example. The evidence is overwhelming now. Yet Conservative still cling on. Not with facts, logic, or reason. Not with anything worth discussing, or rising to the level of an actual debate. Discussion requires a certain intellectual effort. It requires two sides to have a conversation. Yet all we get from most opponents is an outburst of feelings. Few among them possess the time, energy, or skill to turn something like Global Warming, where they have zero evidence, into a debate with a counter argument.

It only gets worse from there, on subjects of more complexity. Such as the economy. And how we'll manage it with increasing automation.

One theme I've heard from a Trump supporter is essentially "burn it all down" and shove us back into an agrarian society so each person can "feed themselves". All so they can hold onto the mythos of "each man an island" and "bootstraps" will provide. It seems, to me, to be a complete mental breakdown and inability to process the information provided. So the person wants to crawl back to a time where things sounded simple, and "freedom" was maximized. Even if that means a horrific, violent, diseased, and short-lived life. They think living in the 1800s is better than interdependence on other people. Even though the great flaw of that argument is, the height of agrarian society involved a great deal of trade and economy.

Go figure. The one thing this person wants to run away from, they don't even comprehend that it's still necessary to achieve productivity.

Questions of hostility aside, the sad fact is they've usually got nothing to provide. Even when such an effort is put in, they'll be buried under 10x-20x the response. Most of which is not going to be constructive. Who has the time, energy, or skill to keep up with all that? What little there is, we chase away. I'd think of it like people of two languages trying to sit down and reach an understanding. Even if the two people could focus and give it an honest attempt with each other, they've got an entire tribe of children running around and screaming in their ears. It's not likely to work, or encourage an attempt.

Mostly, we are left with those of a much similar language, who largely understand each other, and still have things we disagree on.

 

[ivwshane]

Those that hate Trump will buy into Cohen's story because it fits in with their beliefs, and they could be correct. I'm skeptical because Cohen stands to profit from his redemption, and the simple fact that he's still trying to shift the blame away from himself.

How exactly does Cohen stand to profit?

You are implying that Cohen acted alone, other than being a self serving conspiracy for the right, I have to ask how many people do you know that interact with you on a regular basis that are corrupt? 0? 1? More than two?

 

[Jhhnn]

If Cohen was acting in such a shitty way, doing things for Trump without his permission, why did Trump keep him on as his personal lawyer for so long? You'd think that a person in power (Trump) would not want an attorney doing illegal/questionable things in his name without his knowledge...and keep him (Cohen) on the payroll.

They all lie to protect Trump, right down to the last voter, first to themselves & then to the rest of us. Everybody knows Trump is crooked as fuck & they figure to profit from it, somehow.

Cons succeed for inducing judgment errors—chiefly, errors arising from imperfect information and cognitive biases. In popular culture and among professional con men, the human vulnerabilities that cons exploit are depicted as ‘dishonesty,’ ‘greed,’ and ‘gullibility’ of the marks. Dishonesty, often represented by the expression ‘you can’t cheat an honest man,’ refers to the willingness of marks to participate in unlawful acts, such as rigged gambling and embezzlement. Greed, the desire to ‘get something for nothing,’ is a shorthand expression of marks’ beliefs that too-good-to-be-true gains are realistic. Gullibility reflects beliefs that marks are ‘suckers’ and ‘fools’ for entering into costly voluntary exchanges. Judicial opinions occasionally echo these sentiments.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confidence_trick

 

[soundforbjt]

How exactly does Cohen stand to profit?

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He will profit after serving his time by selling his story, of course that's the only way he will be able to provide for his family since he can no longer practice law.

 

[shortylickens]

He will profit after serving his time by selling his story, of course that's the only way he will be able to provide for his family since he can no longer practice law.

Allegedly you are not allowed to profit from your convicted crimes. That specifically includes books and TV appearances.

 

[soundforbjt]

Allegedly you are not allowed to profit from your convicted crimes. That specifically includes books and TV appearances.

A tell-all book about Trump wouldn't necessarily have to be about his (Cohen's) crimes.

 

[Jhhnn]

He will profit after serving his time by selling his story, of course that's the only way he will be able to provide for his family since he can no longer practice law.

He has other business interests, iirc.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

The never ending degradation of the "white male conservative" continues to unfold before our very eyes in this microcosm of our new society in America.

They have not only become the "snowflakes" the "triggered" from "safe space" "libtard" whiny little bitches they decry... they have far surpassed them.

One need look no further than this tiny little thread on this random Internet forum for their Poster Boies... So oppressed. So victimized. Same little cry babies they were when they were trying to defend Bush here but then all ran away to their other forum when things got hot. Some come back with a new toilet but it's always the same old tired shit... This new breed, however, have thinner skin that a 3rd world condom.

Fuck your feelings. Facts hurt you? Tough shit.

Dig your heels in deeper...

Keep on doing your feel good bullshit posts.

Last I checked Conservatives were winning elections, deregulating, getting conservatives on the SCOTUS and kicking your asses.

But you keep on keeping on by telling yourselves that you're winning and triggering us if it makes you feel better. Reality shows otherwise toolbag.

 

[Muse]

Those that hate Trump will buy into Cohen's story because it fits in with their beliefs, and they could be correct. I'm skeptical because Cohen stands to profit from his redemption, and the simple fact that he's still trying to shift the blame away from himself.

Get over your skepticism, it's not helping you. You have to see through the charades going on. To live in doubt isn't living.

 

[Jhhnn]

Allegedly you are not allowed to profit from your convicted crimes. That specifically includes books and TV appearances.

Incorrect-

https://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/can-i-write-a-book-with-a-felony--1589213.html

John Dean's Blind Ambition is a good example.

 

[ivwshane]

Incorrect-

https://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/can-i-write-a-book-with-a-felony--1589213.html

John Dean's Blind Ambition is a good example.

I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Keep on doing your feel good bullshit posts.

Last I checked Conservatives were winning elections, deregulating, getting conservatives on the SCOTUS and kicking your asses.

But you keep on keeping on by telling yourselves that you're winning and triggering us if it makes you feel better. Reality shows otherwise toolbag.

Conservatives, lose like babies, win like man babies.

 

[Ventanni]

I'm a conservative. I am not a Trump fan. While I do like the idea of some of his policies, I've found his administration to be overly bombastic and poorly executed. Obama was way better at representing the interests of the United States in an honorable way, wheres Trump acts more like his foreign policy ethos stems from the 1940's. (I also didn't vote for Trump)

Also, I think it's important to note that being a conservative doesn't = Trumplover, just like being a liberal doesn't mean you stand for the most extreme leftist policies. Most people fall a little closer to the middle of the spectrum than they realize. The conservatives that want to take us back to an agrarian society are neither connected with reality, nor are they the majority. And yes, I've met a few. They want to live off the land, build their own homestead, and make YouTube videos; that last part being neat, but odd, 'cause without YouTube they sure as heck wouldn't be homesteading lol.

A bigger reason I stopped posting as much is because no matter how heated the debate, no one really cares. The sun still rises. The birds still chirp. The neighbors care only for mowing that lawn. None of it is that important to devote hours of your day posting about. I'd rather spend time with my wife or newborn son, play video games, or sip beers with friends than make posts that neither no one will fully read nor care about. I rarely, rarely see people change their minds.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I'm a conservative. I am not a Trump fan. While I do like the idea of some of his policies, I've found his administration to be overly bombastic and poorly executed. Obama was way better at representing the interests of the United States in an honorable way, wheres Trump acts more like his foreign policy ethos stems from the 1940's. (I also didn't vote for Trump)

Also, I think it's important to note that being a conservative doesn't = Trumplover, just like being a liberal doesn't mean you stand for the most extreme leftist policies. Most people fall a little closer to the middle of the spectrum than they realize. The conservatives that want to take us back to an agrarian society are neither connected with reality, nor are they the majority. And yes, I've met a few. They want to live off the land, build their own homestead, and make YouTube videos; that last part being neat, but odd, 'cause without YouTube they sure as heck wouldn't be homesteading lol.

A bigger reason I stopped posting as much is because no matter how heated the debate, no one really cares. The sun still rises. The birds still chirp. The neighbors care only for mowing that lawn. None of it is that important to devote hours of your day posting about. I'd rather spend time with my wife or newborn son, play video games, or sip beers with friends than make posts that neither no one will fully read nor care about. I rarely, rarely see people change their minds.

Hey another responsible guy. I’d love to hear from people like you.

 

[Indus]

That is because this forum leans heavily to the left. Not saying that is good or bad, just how it is. Hell, I thought it was a cake walk for Hillary too. I guess enough people got tired of being called racist, uneducated bigots to change the map enough to elect Trump.

BTW, there's no way he wins in 2020. But, I thought the same thing about 2016 so who knows. Thing is, he has a record to run on now.

Reassess after looking at how many conservaterrorist russian bots we have just parrotting propaganda without facts.

 

[Indus]

Keep on doing your feel good bullshit posts.

Last I checked Conservatives were winning elections, deregulating, getting conservatives on the SCOTUS and kicking your asses.

But you keep on keeping on by telling yourselves that you're winning and triggering us if it makes you feel better. Reality shows otherwise toolbag.

Winning? How about stealing elections.

Did you forget what happened in North Carolina, Georgia and gerry mandering and voter suppression?

Only a brainwashed person like you would call it winning.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Winning? How about stealing elections.

Did you forget what happened in North Carolina, Georgia and gerry mandering and voter suppression?

Only a brainwashed person like you would call it winning.

After getting punched and assaulted by a Trumper I'm not fucking afraid to tell you what is truth.

Stealing....? You mean #Winning? You mean #TigerBlood

You can keep mentioning one-off scum all you want, it doesn't hold a candle to the amount of #Winning

Keep crying, maybe some day those tears will turn into people turning out to vote. Who am I kidding, your voters have TV shows to watch and TV dinners to eat - no time for that stupid stuff.