Where is our Number 1 top PC Graphic whore game ;(

[CrystalBay]

I think it is DX 10.1 that they may overcome the AA problems.

 

[tuteja1986]

Originally posted by: CrystalBay
I Know , it sucks, R6V is EPICS Guinea Pig , meaning they have left PC users in the background . BOO EPIC..


M.S. must have fed them a 24k carrot...

No a huge Marketing

They PR like crazy for Gears of War... funned them with 10mill for development and spent 50million + on marketing. Epic became winner as everyone wanted Unreal engine 3.0 and Gears of War sold 3.5million+ easily making it their most successful franchise. Microsoft made epic more famous , more richer and turned them against PC gamer. Gears of war is looking at 5million mark by the end of this year beating UT series. But it still no Halo killer as rumor have it that Microsoft already got 4million per-order world wide.

 

[Jules]

im still waiting. Just got my 8800GTX and im only playing CSS atm lol. I tryed stalker but its pretty meh.

 

[lopri]

Originally posted by: Matt2
I can play GoW in 1080p all day.

I dont know why people keep saying this.

I thought XBOX360's max resolution was 1080i? So I've heard. PS3's being 1080p. Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm really not sure.

 

[Matt2]

I can select 1080p over component.

I am also playing at 1920x1080 via VGA cable on my 24" LCD. Since all LCD computer monitors are progressive scan, I guess that means it's 1080p.

Even if the game is only 1080i, the monitor or my 1080p TV is deinterlacing the signal making it 1080p.

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: tuteja1986
Some of us have super awesome GPU with Dual core/Quad core CPU running at 3.2Ghz + . But all of us don't have one game that can really show off our beasty system. Like come on... we are all getting excited about a game like lost planet which i played on my xbox 360 a year ago when the demo was released at the 1st day of e3 2006. Where is our game that totally beats up Mass effect. I look at games like Mass effect , Ratchet & Clank , Metal Gear solid 4 , Heavenly sword , white night , Stranglehold and i think where is my awesome pc game. Even Ninja Gaiden Sigma looks better than all the PC title coming in the next few month

I only hope Bioshock doesn't get delayed

Where is Crysis ?

If you bought your system with the intention of using it for future games only, then you should have waited for the future to buy your super system. And on the contrary about games that can't tax high end systems. Have you tried STALKER? Crank that puppy up as high as it will go, and watch the frames tumble on down. I mean, weren't you getting tired of graphics cards that could play at max settings, but only net about 20 to 40 fps? Now that we have cards that can slaughter games, you complain about either the cards being too fast, or you want games to come out to bring our cards to their knees all over again. Example: My 7900GT on a P4 3.8 and 19" CRT was fine at the resolutions and settings I played. I had to play with the settings to get it acceptable for playability. Still looked good, but JUST above unplayable for some titles. I was tired of having to turn things down.

Enter 8800GTS on a C2D E6420 and a 22" LCD. And I can crank the hell out of everything I play at 1680x1050. And I mean CRANKED! to the point where there is nothing left to turn up or on. Keysplayr <-------- happy camper!

I bought the GTS for todays games. When crysis hits, I will add either a second GTS, or go with a single 8900GTX. Whatever offers more bang for buck when that time comes.

When components are too fast, people complain. When software is too harsh on the components, people complain. The grass is always greener for some, it would seem.

Just enjoy your hardware while it lasts. Don't worry, it will soon be brought to it's knees, then you can complain that your hardware can't run it and you spent all this money.

I know what you mean and agree in part, but I would prefer to have some newer, hardware challenging games out. I'm STILL playing BF2 primarily, and have had a 6600gt, 7800GTX and X1900xtx along the way.

And by hardware challenging, I don't mean challenging with subpar graphics for the price like Stalker, I mean some good, new games that look amazing.

 

[Matthias99]

Originally posted by: Matt2
I can select 1080p over component.

I am also playing at 1920x1080 via VGA cable on my 24" LCD. Since all LCD computer monitors are progressive scan, I guess that means it's 1080p.

Even if the game is only 1080i, the monitor or my 1080p TV is deinterlacing the signal making it 1080p.

As people (including me) explained in one of the other threads (IIRC the stupidly long one apoppin made and kept bumping/retitling), 720p being upscaled or 1080i being deinterlaced is not the same as truly rendering at 1080p. Either the framerate or the resolution really isn't there. AFAIK Xbox360 games can't really render 1080p@60FPS. This isn't terribly surprising, as it's pretty much got a generation-old GPU (something similar to an X1800).

I'm not saying that modern console games look 'bad', but a high-end PC can push a lot more pixels and/or frames/sec. (at much higher hardware cost, of course).

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: Matthias99

Originally posted by: Matt2
I can select 1080p over component.

I am also playing at 1920x1080 via VGA cable on my 24" LCD. Since all LCD computer monitors are progressive scan, I guess that means it's 1080p.

Even if the game is only 1080i, the monitor or my 1080p TV is deinterlacing the signal making it 1080p.

As people (including me) explained in one of the other threads (IIRC the stupidly long one apoppin made and kept bumping/retitling), 720p being upscaled or 1080i being deinterlaced is not the same as truly rendering at 1080p. Either the framerate or the resolution really isn't there. AFAIK Xbox360 games can't really render 1080p@60FPS. This isn't terribly surprising, as it's pretty much got a generation-old GPU (something similar to an X1800).

I'm not saying that modern console games look 'bad', but a high-end PC can push a lot more pixels and/or frames/sec. (at much higher hardware cost, of course).

Ok, I understand that 1080i being deinterlaced is only running at 30fps, but what's the big deal?

I dont see the difference between 1080p@60 vs 1080p@30 as long as the game runs smoothly.

BTW, there are Xbox360 games that are native 1080P. GRAW2 comes to mind.

 

[Matthias99]

Ok, I understand that 1080i being deinterlaced is only running at 30fps, but what's the big deal?

I dont see the difference between 1080p@60 vs 1080p@30 as long as the game runs smoothly.

Either you're getting half the framerate or you'll still be getting interlacing artifacts on moving objects. It's not that 1080p@30FPS is "bad", but it's not as good as 1080P@60FPS. If you don't give a crap that's fine, but don't go around saying "it outputs 1080p, so it's just as good as a PC!"

BTW, there are Xbox360 games that are native 1080P. GRAW2 comes to mind.

I thought I had read that "1080p" games on the 360 didn't really render internally at 1920x1080@60FPS. However, I'm not 100% certain on this, as I probably read this around the 360's launch.

Edit:

From http://gear.ign.com/articles/735/735860p1.html

IGN: Will games begin to be developed with 1080p as the native resolution, or is the 360's new 1080p support an advance in the console's internal scaling abilities?

Microsoft: If developed, the Xbox 360 will support playback of native 1080p games and all existing Xbox 360 titles can be up-scaled to 1080p.

IGN : Does the Xbox 360 have the internal bandwidth between CPUs and graphics processors necessary to move a full 1080p image? There's a big difference between 1080i and the 3GB/s of 1080p.

Microsoft: *updated* Yes, the Xbox 360 has the necessary internal bandwidth between CPUs and graphics processors to move a full 1080p image.

It sounds like the 360 can render/output 'natively' at 1080p, at least after their last round of software updates (although if the GPU can do so at 60FPS in most games is another question.) But titles not specifically written to do so are being upscaled or deinterlaced when you're in "1080p" mode.

 

[RobertR1]

Some games on the 360 do natively render at 1080p.

I'm quite happy to have left PC gaming behind for the 360. I don't have to worry about drivers, PC maintanence and lots and lots of new killer games keep coming out for it.

"Dirt" being the latest example of a game that simply rocks. You can download the PC version and see the ridiculous recommended specs meaning most PC games are left out in the cold. No such issue on the 360. It plays and looks great.

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: Matthias99

Ok, I understand that 1080i being deinterlaced is only running at 30fps, but what's the big deal?

I dont see the difference between 1080p@60 vs 1080p@30 as long as the game runs smoothly.

Either you're getting half the framerate or you'll still be getting interlacing artifacts on moving objects. It's not that 1080p@30FPS is "bad", but it's not as good as 1080P@60FPS. If you don't give a crap that's fine, but don't go around saying "it outputs 1080p, so it's just as good as a PC!"

BTW, there are Xbox360 games that are native 1080P. GRAW2 comes to mind.

I thought I had read that "1080p" games on the 360 didn't really render internally at 1920x1080@60FPS. However, I'm not 100% certain on this, as I probably read this around the 360's launch.

I never said it was as good as the PC. My 1080P comment was directed at miniMUNCH who stated that GoW only ran at 720p and it would only run 10fps at 1080P, which is simply not true.

Even if the Xbox360 can only run non-1080P at 30fps, that's about 10fps better than what my X1900XTX can do at the same resolution in a game like STALKER.

I have both a 720p TV and a 1080P TV and I can't tell the difference in framerates between the two. Both 720p and 1080i deinterlaced on my 1080p TV play silky smooth and 1080p definitely looks better.

I dunno, I can't feel the difference between 60fps and 30fps on the Xbox, but I can definitely feel that difference on the PC.

 

[RussianSensation]

When I played GOW on a good quality 42 inch plasma TV, the last thing I cared about was AA/AF or how many frames it was outputting. The game runs smooth and its graphics are amazing (probably better than anything PC has right now) given the processing power. If that game was to be ported to PC, it would bring a 7900GTX to its knees most definately. The issue here is coding and optimization. PC developers just have a very difficult task when there are so many variations of hardware, which means releasing a game like GOW in all its glory would only serve its purpose for those with 8800GTS/X cards. Doom 3 comes to mind which ran smoothly for Xbox1 while a top of the line PC at the time with 9800Pro was barely sufficient and Xbox1's graphics were almost as good.

Its not that PC games can't look better, just developers won't put super high textures because the game will run like crap on a PC. Another point is that maybe PC gamers are just more picky about framerate. Perhaps running GOW on a Plasma screen and it outputting 30-35 frames is more than sufficient while PC gamers want at least 60 at 1920x1200. Also the resolution argument is a complete wash. Doom 3 at 800x600 looked better than ANY game other than Far cry at the time at ANY resolution. Similarly playing GOW at 1024x768 on a Plasma simply blows almost anything at 1920x1200 on PC. High image quality and detail have a FAR greater impact on graphics imo than resolution alone can ever have. HL2 at 640x480 with everthing on high still looks 10x better than HL1 at 1920x1200. I dont understand this whole chase after super high res, when in game effects and textures is what PC games should excel at instead to really show what a PC can do.

 

[apoppin]

well ... let's get away from comparing with the consoles ... for a moment

what IS coming? soon ...

Enemy Territory: Quake Wars

Publisher: Activision
Availabilty: Release Date: Jul 2, 2007
Packaging: Retail Box
Platform: PC DVDROM
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BioShock

Publisher: 2K Games
Availabilty: Release Date: Aug 21, 2007
Packaging: Retail Box
Platform: PC DVDROM
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Medal of Honor: Airborne

Publisher: Electronic Arts
Availabilty: Release Date: Aug 28, 2007
Packaging: Retail Box
Platform: PC CDROM
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Crysis

Publisher: Electronic Arts
Availabilty: Release Date: Sep 11, 2007
Packaging: Retail Box
Platform: PC DVDROM
====================

 

[TanisHalfElven]

Originally posted by: tuteja1986

Originally posted by: schneiderguy
IMO Oblivion with texture mods and some AA and AF looks better than GoW

GoW has too many jaggies. No AA FTL

Gears of War texture kicks oblivion texture Son you should look at both games again :*(

nope. qarls texture pack is better than gears.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: apoppin
i dunno ... i am a SP kind of gamer
--how is the AA in GoW?

and i probably would *hate* STALKER also if i couldn't get it to run right and it chugged along looking awful

... mine runs great at 30+ FPS and doesn't even need AA .. plus it is a pretty good game over all ... i know there are expansions and user mods being made for it

how are the mods progressing for GoW?

all you talk about is AA and to be quite honest...you need to go away or find something new to talk about. your posts are so annoying.

GoW is a good game behind great graphics simple as that.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: miniMUNCH
Most of those console games are not out yet and they use a lot of low rez pre-render in the trailers... the actual game will not look that good.

2nd... GoW is not that great looking in the opinions of many gamers. It looks very nice in 720 on a nice HD TV, I grant you... but it is 720. GoW would run about 10 fps at 1080p.

3rd... little or no effort on your part is required to check up on the progress of Crysis, Bioshock, and many other DX10 games.

I can play GoW in 1080p all day.

I dont know why people keep saying this.

QFF******T!

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: lopri

Originally posted by: Matt2
I can play GoW in 1080p all day.

I dont know why people keep saying this.

I thought XBOX360's max resolution was 1080i? So I've heard. PS3's being 1080p. Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm really not sure.

The 360 can do 1080p. Games like Virtua tennis and other newer titles have this support out of the box. (yes you can actually update features of the games and console through xbox live).

 

[miniMUNCH]

Originally posted by: tuteja1986

Originally posted by: schneiderguy
IMO Oblivion with texture mods and some AA and AF looks better than GoW

GoW has too many jaggies. No AA FTL

Gears of War texture kicks oblivion texture Son you should look at both games again :*(

Go compare HL2 with the cinematic mod at 1900x1200 with AA/AF (which my system can easily run at 60+ fps to GoW and get back to me.

 

[miniMUNCH]

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: miniMUNCH
Most of those console games are not out yet and they use a lot of low rez pre-render in the trailers... the actual game will not look that good.

2nd... GoW is not that great looking in the opinions of many gamers. It looks very nice in 720 on a nice HD TV, I grant you... but it is 720. GoW would run about 10 fps at 1080p.

3rd... little or no effort on your part is required to check up on the progress of Crysis, Bioshock, and many other DX10 games.

I can play GoW in 1080p all day.

I dont know why people keep saying this.

It's upscaled... rendered in 720p and upscaled to 1080. Hence the nasty jaggies that people with nice PC rigs can't stand in most console games.

Aside from GoW and NCAA football and literally cannot play any other console games... the graphics are ass. GoW was fun the graphics are closer to good PC quality (the world design is fantastic). NCAA football on PS2 is my favorite sports game hands down in terms of game play so...

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: miniMUNCH

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: miniMUNCH
Most of those console games are not out yet and they use a lot of low rez pre-render in the trailers... the actual game will not look that good.

2nd... GoW is not that great looking in the opinions of many gamers. It looks very nice in 720 on a nice HD TV, I grant you... but it is 720. GoW would run about 10 fps at 1080p.

3rd... little or no effort on your part is required to check up on the progress of Crysis, Bioshock, and many other DX10 games.

I can play GoW in 1080p all day.

I dont know why people keep saying this.

It's upscaled... rendered in 720p and upscaled to 1080. Hence the nasty jaggies that people with nice PC rigs can't stand in most console games.

Aside from GoW and NCAA football and literally cannot play any other console games... the graphics are ass. GoW was fun the graphics are closer to good PC quality (the world design is fantastic). NCAA football on PS2 is my favorite sports game hands down in terms of game play so...

So every game that says "1080i" on the back is upscaled from 720p?

I dont think so.

It's still 1080 lines being rendered, just 540 at a time. The TV just handles the deinterlacing.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: apoppin
i dunno ... i am a SP kind of gamer
--how is the AA in GoW?

and i probably would *hate* STALKER also if i couldn't get it to run right and it chugged along looking awful

... mine runs great at 30+ FPS and doesn't even need AA .. plus it is a pretty good game over all ... i know there are expansions and user mods being made for it

how are the mods progressing for GoW?

all you talk about is AA and to be quite honest...you need to go away or find something new to talk about. your posts are so annoying.

GoW is a good game behind great graphics simple as that.

why don't *you* go away?
--who would miss you or even notice?

you miss the point as usual .. both STALKER and GoW don't have AA

Matt2 can't get his rig to play STALKER worth a crap because of his weak HW at high resolution ... yet somehow finds the *same* 30FPS to be much "smoother" on teh 360
:roll:

and STALKER already is modded, has had big performance increases with an Unofficial patch and is a GREAT game

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: apoppin
i dunno ... i am a SP kind of gamer
--how is the AA in GoW?

and i probably would *hate* STALKER also if i couldn't get it to run right and it chugged along looking awful

... mine runs great at 30+ FPS and doesn't even need AA .. plus it is a pretty good game over all ... i know there are expansions and user mods being made for it

how are the mods progressing for GoW?

all you talk about is AA and to be quite honest...you need to go away or find something new to talk about. your posts are so annoying.

GoW is a good game behind great graphics simple as that.

why don't *you* go away?
--who would miss you or even notice?

you miss the point as usual .. both STALKER and GoW don't have AA

Matt2 can't get his rig to play STALKER worth a crap because of his weak HW at high resolution ... yet somehow finds the *same* 30FPS to be much "smoother" on teh 360
:roll:

and STALKER already is modded, has had big performance increases with an Unofficial patch and is a GREAT game

Actually, it's the 14 fps in STALKER that I can't stand. 30fps on the 360 is fine, but 14 fps in STALKER is just plain ridiculous.

1920x1200
Settings cranked to full, Full Dynamic Lighting

Min- 11
Max- 20
AVG- 13.59

14 fps is a lot different than the 30fps I get on the 360.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: apoppin
i dunno ... i am a SP kind of gamer
--how is the AA in GoW?

and i probably would *hate* STALKER also if i couldn't get it to run right and it chugged along looking awful

... mine runs great at 30+ FPS and doesn't even need AA .. plus it is a pretty good game over all ... i know there are expansions and user mods being made for it

how are the mods progressing for GoW?

all you talk about is AA and to be quite honest...you need to go away or find something new to talk about. your posts are so annoying.

GoW is a good game behind great graphics simple as that.

why don't *you* go away?
--who would miss you or even notice?

you miss the point as usual .. both STALKER and GoW don't have AA

Matt2 can't get his rig to play STALKER worth a crap because of his weak HW at high resolution ... yet somehow finds the *same* 30FPS to be much "smoother" on teh 360
:roll:

and STALKER already is modded, has had big performance increases with an Unofficial patch and is a GREAT game

Actually, it's the 14 fps in STALKER that I can't stand. 30fps on the 360 is fine, but 14 fps in STALKER is just plain ridiculous.

1920x1200
Settings cranked to full, Full Dynamic Lighting

Min- 11
Max- 20
AVG- 13.59

14 fps is a lot different than the 30fps I get on the 360.

agreed ... 15 FPS is ridiculous ... so ... now that that is out of the way ...

let me try once again

IF you DID ... somehow ... get a very smoothly running STALKER, don't you think that your PoV just might be a little different?

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: apoppin
agreed ... 15 FPS is ridiculous ... so ... now that that is out of the way ...

let me try once again

IF you DID ... somehow" ... get a very smooth running STALKER, don't you think that your PoV just might be a little different?

It would make the game more enjoyable, yeah. As enjoyable as GoW? Highly unlikely.

Plus, to get a smooth running STALKER, I would have to drop $400+ on a video card and that would piss me off. I dont think I've ever come across a game that is worth $450.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: apoppin
agreed ... 15 FPS is ridiculous ... so ... now that that is out of the way ...

let me try once again

IF you DID ... somehow" ... get a very smooth running STALKER, don't you think that your PoV just might be a little different?

It would make the game more enjoyable, yeah. As enjoyable as GoW? Highly unlikely.

Plus, to get a smooth running STALKER, I would have to drop $400+ on a video card and that would piss me off. I dont think I've ever come across a game that is worth $450.

more enjoyable ... you mean "playable"
:Q
to get a smooth running "any modern game" you are gonna need a new video card ... and CPU
.... after all, you are the one that "unbalanced" your rig with a LCD that is too demanding for your HW

STALKER is a GREAT fps ... under-appreciated because of performance and bug issues