Where is the GK110 successor?

[Pandamonia]

This GPU is old by any standards..

So when and where is its replacement? I thought 20nm was due this year?

Prices are insane for GPU tech this old..

Sods law says that soon as i buy 2x 780ti's something new comes out which makes the £1000 SLI look slow.

 

[RaulF]

Rumor is 28nm maxwell is expected sometime in march. But I have read that it might not be high end stuff. We will have to wait for 20nm parts for that. And that's expected towards end of the year.

 

[Techhog]

20nm won't come until the second half of this year. It was slated for last year, but it got delayed. We only just got a full GK110 with the 780 Ti, so we have a while to wait. At least 6 months, and for all we know they might make the GTX 880/980 a GK104 successor instead anyway.

 

[Pandamonia]

20nm won't come until the second half of this year. It was slated for last year, but it got delayed. We only just got a full GK110 with the 780 Ti, so we have a while to wait. At least 6 months, and for all we know they might make the GTX 880/980 a GK104 successor instead anyway.

i wonder if 20nm will be delayed longer.

I just upgraded to 1440p and not even the 780ti can max out that resolution in some games. Which leaves CF or SLI.

Damn this is getting expensive

 

[bystander36]

This GPU is old by any standards..

So when and where is its replacement? I thought 20nm was due this year?

Prices are insane for GPU tech this old..

Sods law says that soon as i buy 2x 780ti's something new comes out which makes the £1000 SLI look slow.

That GPU has only been out a couple months, how fast do you expect upgrades?

 

[rgallant]

I went with 780 sli with water [$500.00 cnd cheaper]
-really think that 780Ti sli will hit the same 3gb vram wall at the same time as the non ti 780sli well before the 20% faster 780 Ti vs non ti makes a difference.

 

[Pandamonia]

That GPU has only been out a couple months, how fast do you expect upgrades?

The GPU has been out nearly a year. GK110 is old.

They just released the full GK110 instead of the gimped ones in the Titan and 780 GTX.

 

[bystander36]

The GPU has been out nearly a year. GK110 is old.

They just released the full GK110 instead of the gimped ones in the Titan and 780 GTX.

It hasn't even been a year since Titan. Don't expect a Titan/780 ti replacement until the end of the year.

 

[Grooveriding]

Nothing GPU wise on 20nm until the fall of this year, and don't expect the moon either. TSMC has gone on record saying that the improvement from current 28nm to their 20nm will not be as significant as 40nm to 28nm was.

Also expect whatever we see first with GPUs on 20nm to be pretty disappointing similar to how GTX 680 was compared to the prior 580 flagship; 20-25% more performance. And who knows how much higher prices are going to

I don't expect much of anything worthwhile out of 20nm until 2015 and for it to cost an arm and a leg.

Best bet right now in trying to avoid paying huge amounts is a pair of aftermarket R9 290s or 780s.

 

[Pandamonia]

It hasn't even been a year since Titan. Don't expect a Titan/780 ti replacement until the end of the year.

The 680 successor on 20nm will likely be faster than the 780ti. Just like how the 680 was faster than the 580.

GK110 successor will likely follow i guess. But when is the issue.

 

[Pandamonia]

Nothing GPU wise on 20nm until the fall of this year, and don't expect the moon either. TSMC has gone on record saying that the improvement from current 28nm to their 20nm will not be as significant as 40nm to 28nm was.

Also expect whatever we see first with GPUs on 20nm to be pretty disappointing similar to how GTX 680 was compared to the prior 580 flagship; 20-25% more performance. And who knows how much higher prices are going to

I don't expect much of anything worthwhile out of 20nm until 2015 and for it to cost an arm and a leg.

This makes sense, but 25% faster than 780ti is pretty big.

 

[bystander36]

The 680 successor on 20nm will likely be faster than the 780ti. Just like how the 680 was faster than the 580.

GK110 successor will likely follow i guess. But when is the issue.

There will not likely be 20nm chips until at least Q3-Q4 this year.

They will be delivering new 28nm chips, but they are going to be sold as the low to medium range next gen chips.

 

[Vesku]

So, is the general expectation that we will see a large die 28nm Maxwell as "880" with something like 15-25% performance improvement over the 780 and then later large die 20nm Maxwell slots in as "880 Ti or Titan 2" however many months later? Or perhaps a 20nm Maxwell somewhere between 680 and GK110 die size with a GK110 die size product unlikely until 2015?

Will we see the 780 renamed the 870 similar to 680 -> 770? Or will a 28nm 'medium' die Maxwell make more sense for Nvidia in terms of production costs?

 

[Pandamonia]

So, is the general expectation that we will see a large die 28nm Maxwell as "880" with something like 15-25% performance improvement over the 780 and then later large die 20nm Maxwell slots in as "880 Ti or Titan 2" however many months later?

Will we see the 780 renamed the 870 similar to 680 -> 770?

no.

20nm next for gk110 size i expect.

 

[Vesku]

no.

20nm next for gk110 size i expect.

Hmm, so 28nm Maxwell will be mobile and perhaps replacing the 770? Can't see a 'medium die' 28nm Maxwell replacing GK110 based products in terms of overall performance. If it can manage that, kudos to Nvidia.

 

[Techhog]

Why would Nvidia bother with any of that when AMD is at the absolute limit? There's no incentive. Even if AMD strikes first the incentive will only barely be there. (I'm betting on the R9 390X only being around 20% above the 780 Ti at launch.)

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Why would Nvidia bother with any of that when AMD is at the absolute limit? There's no incentive. Even if AMD strikes first the incentive will only barely be there. (I'm betting on the R9 390X only being around 20% above the 780 Ti at launch.)

I think the node will dictate most of what they can do, a large die like Hawaii or GK110 on 20nm seems like a poor investment when 16nm, basically 20nm but unsucked is supposed to come out a year later...

So I'll take a bet that Tahiti/GK104 replacements will be out on 20nm for the first year, followed by Hawaii/GK110 replacements the next year on the improved 20nm node.

***Pure speculation***

 

[lavaheadache]

i wonder if 20nm will be delayed longer.

I just upgraded to 1440p and not even the 780ti can max out that resolution in some games. Which leaves CF or SLI.

Damn this is getting expensive

I'm running 4k and while I have 2 780ti's even 1 can run nearly every game very very well maxed without AA. What are you trying to run @ 1440 that you are struggling with ?

 

[ShintaiDK]

As some already said. It depends on 20nm. And thats at best 9 months away.

After 20nm it will be even more painful. TSMC and GloFo will both do a staged double release of the 20nm that they both secondly call 14 and 16nm. Yet both are still 20nm, just with finfets. So brace yourself for a 4 year cycle next time for an actual shrink and progress.

 

[CakeMonster]

That doesn't bode well for sales of high end chips. People were starved for so long that anyone remotely interested in them would ahve gotten a 780* or 29* by now. And with meager performance gains on the first 20nm, there's no reason to upgrade.

Except I guess unless the new consoles or 4K ramps up memory requirements to 4Gb+ very quickly which I have a had time believing...

 

[Pandamonia]

I'm running 4k and while I have 2 780ti's even 1 can run nearly every game very very well maxed without AA. What are you trying to run @ 1440 that you are struggling with ?

without AA is the important point.

 

[ShintaiDK]

without AA is the important point.

You dont need AA on 4K

 

[Pandamonia]

You dont need AA on 4K

i dont have 4k thats my point

 

[Grooveriding]

You dont need AA on 4K

Not true, you still see aliasing.

 

[Techhog]

I think the node will dictate most of what they can do, a large die like Hawaii or GK110 on 20nm seems like a poor investment when 16nm, basically 20nm but unsucked is supposed to come out a year later...

So I'll take a bet that Tahiti/GK104 replacements will be out on 20nm for the first year, followed by Hawaii/GK110 replacements the next year on the improved 20nm node.

***Pure speculation***

I agree. That sounds exactly right.