Where is the Muslim Outrage??

[0roo0roo]

who knows. cuz yesterday they killed 16 people and burned 15 christian churches/17 houses in nigeria.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/20060218-1543-prophetdrawings.html

now just imagine if the christians or jews did that. oh the outrage...
"religion of peace" is sounding ever more like orwellian new speak

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: spunkz

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
We didn't protest in outrage ....we put up flags or did you forget that for a brief moment in time America became Red White and Blue again?

Oh yes, and the infamous magnetic ribbons. Nothing says outrage like some cheap Chinese goods plastered on your automobile.

oh we weren't outraged after 9/11. we only went to WAR....

The government declares war, not the people.

 

[dexvx]

Originally posted by: MegaWorks
So according to you as a Muslim I'm responsible for the crimes of Al-qaeda even if I don't support them or agree with their ideology. So that makes me a terrorist because I'm Muslim right? What don't you create a concentration camp a start a Holocaust against us?

Stop putting words in my mouth. I said Muslims crashed a jetliner into a skyscraper. I didn't say ALL MUSLIMS did that nor are they responsible for it. Are you going to dispute the fact there was a non-Muslim that has crashed a jetliner into a skyscraper?

Originally posted by: envy me
there fixed.

No record of muslims or jews raping boys at church.

Unforunately, you don't know that for a fact.

 

[MegaWorks]

Originally posted by: dexvx

Originally posted by: MegaWorks
So according to you as a Muslim I'm responsible for the crimes of Al-qaeda even if I don't support them or agree with their ideology. So that makes me a terrorist because I'm Muslim right? What don't you create a concentration camp a start a Holocaust against us?

Stop putting words in my mouth. I said Muslims crashed a jetliner into a skyscraper. I didn't say ALL MUSLIMS did that nor are they responsible for it. Are you going to dispute the fact there was a non-Muslim that has crashed a jetliner into a skyscraper?

Originally posted by: envy me
there fixed.

No record of muslims or jews raping boys at church.

Unforunately, you don't know that for a fact.

No because you generalize like many idiots in this thread when you use the term Muslim, I know what you?re trying to do.

Just read that idiot 0roo0roo post.

who knows. cuz yesterday they killed 16 people and burned 15 christian churches/17 houses in nigeria.

 

[DVK916]

Ofcourse there is no muslim outrage, their koran tells them to kill kuffars.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: DVK916
Ofcourse there is no muslim outrage, their koran tells them to kill kuffars.

And you know there is no outrage because...you asked all of them?

 

[dexvx]

Originally posted by: MegaWorks
No because you generalize like many idiots in this thread when you use the term Muslim, I know what you?re trying to do.

Just read that idiot 0roo0roo post.

who knows. cuz yesterday they killed 16 people and burned 15 christian churches/17 houses in nigeria.

How do I generalize? Do you deny that the statement:

Only Muslims have crashed jetliners into skyscrapers.

To be untrue as of the time of my posting? It may not be PC, but its true. Do I need to draw you some Venn diagrams to simplify my case?

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: dexvx

Originally posted by: MegaWorks
No because you generalize like many idiots in this thread when you use the term Muslim, I know what you?re trying to do.

Just read that idiot 0roo0roo post.

who knows. cuz yesterday they killed 16 people and burned 15 christian churches/17 houses in nigeria.

How do I generalize? Do you deny that the statement:

Only Muslims have crashed jetliners into skyscrapers.

To be untrue as of the time of my posting? It may not be PC, but its true. Do I need to draw you some Venn diagrams to simplify my case?

Could you please draw us a bar graph of the total number of civilians killed by Muslim terrorists in the past 10 years vs. the number of civilians killed by the US military during the same period?

 

[daniel49]

Someone mentioned a lack of leadership in the muslum world?

One thing that intrigues me is I believe it was about 2 days ago I read this account of an imam in Pakistan who offered a reward of a new car for anyone who killed the Danish Cartoonist.

In America that is called trying to hire a hitman. It is illegal and punishable by prison.

Now I am not familiar with either Pakistani law or Danish law. Or what treaties of extradition they have between them.
But I would love to see"leaders" like this imam extradited, tried, and imprisoned for complicancy in attempted murder.

Of course this will never happen , but if it did I think we would hear less from these 2 bit thugs trying to use faith to incite the faithful to murder.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: daniel49
Someone mentioned a lack of leadership in the muslum world?

One thing that intrigues me is I believe it was about 2 days ago I read this account of an imam in Pakistan who offered a reward of a new car for anyone who killed the Danish Cartoonist.

In America that is called trying to hire a hitman. It is illegal and punishable by prison.

Now I am not familiar with either Pakistani law or Danish law. Or what treaties of extradition they have between them.
But I would love to see"leaders" like this imam extradited, tried, and imprisoned for complicancy in attempted murder.

Of course this will never happen , but if it did I think we would hear less from these 2 bit thugs trying to use faith to incite the faithful to murder.

"We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability. We don't need another $200 billion war to get rid of one, you know, strong-arm dictator. It's a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with." ?Pat Robertson, calling for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: daniel49
Someone mentioned a lack of leadership in the muslum world?

One thing that intrigues me is I believe it was about 2 days ago I read this account of an imam in Pakistan who offered a reward of a new car for anyone who killed the Danish Cartoonist.

In America that is called trying to hire a hitman. It is illegal and punishable by prison.

Now I am not familiar with either Pakistani law or Danish law. Or what treaties of extradition they have between them.
But I would love to see"leaders" like this imam extradited, tried, and imprisoned for complicancy in attempted murder.

Of course this will never happen , but if it did I think we would hear less from these 2 bit thugs trying to use faith to incite the faithful to murder.

"We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability. We don't need another $200 billion war to get rid of one, you know, strong-arm dictator. It's a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with." ?Pat Robertson, calling for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez

One nuts vs many, many nuts.

People actually listen to the religious nuts in the muslim world.

 

[Braznor]

You can provide as many false examples as you like. The truth is that Pat Robertson is a jerk. But comparing him to that Imam is still extreme.

No one (in the whole civilized world) takes Pat Robertson seriously, except the extreme leftists like yourselves.

The chief difference between them is that thousands of muslim would consider the Imam's words as their Koranic duty to wage a holy war.

You are comparing a circus clown to a general of an extremely oppressive ideology.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Braznor
You can provide as many false examples as you like. The truth is that Pat Robertson is a jerk. But comparing him to that Imam is still extreme.

No one (in the whole civilized world) takes Pat Robertson seriously, except the extreme leftists like yourselves.

The chief difference between them is that thousands of muslim would consider the Imam's words as their Koranic duty to wage a holy war.

You are comparing a circus clown to a general of an extremely oppressive ideology.

First, the guy is NOT an Imam, he is a cleric.

Second, if the "Muslim World" is taking him seriously, there must be an assassination taking place in Denmark. Is there?

Just sounds like a lot of religious rhetoric to me, regardless of whether its coming from some cleric in Pakistan or Robertson.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Braznor
You can provide as many false examples as you like. The truth is that Pat Robertson is a jerk. But comparing him to that Imam is still extreme.

No one (in the whole civilized world) takes Pat Robertson seriously, except the extreme leftists like yourselves.

The chief difference between them is that thousands of muslim would consider the Imam's words as their Koranic duty to wage a holy war.

You are comparing a circus clown to a general of an extremely oppressive ideology.

First, the guy is NOT an Imam, he is a cleric.

Second, if the "Muslim World" is taking him seriously, there must be an assassination taking place in Denmark. Is there?

Just sounds like a lot of religious rhetoric to me, regardless of whether its coming from some cleric in Pakistan or Robertson.

So a person has to die before we take these radical muslims seriously? We have been warned of an attack as big as 9/11 before 9/11, but we didn't take it seriously. What was the argument? That this sort of a grand terrorist attack has never occurred on US soil, so lets not even worry about it.

The cartoonists are living in fear now. Some of them are hiding. The muslims that were holding signs that read "Prepare for 9/11, Europe" or whatever, are certainly listening to these clerics.

We can either choose to ignore these people, like we did before 9/11, or to try to address the issue. Ignoring works if you are prepared to lose thousands of people every couple of years. Does America want that to happen?

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: dexvx

Originally posted by: envy me
Your statements are very generalized.
for example:

Saying Muslims crashed into the world trade center is exactly like say Catholics rape young boys.

(some priests did it)

You shouldn't generalize.

No.

Muslims DID crash a plane into the world trade center. All 19 hijackers were Muslim. There are no incidents of Christian, Jew, Buddhist, Taoist, Daoist, etc etc crashing jetliners into skyscrapers. Therefore that generalization is true.

Some Catholic priests raped young boys. However, not all people raping young boys are Catholics. Therefore that generalization is false.

There ARE lots of people who are outraged about the Catholic church's culpability in the child molestations, and their weak response to it for a long time.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: raildogg
We can either choose to ignore these people, like we did before 9/11, or to try to address the issue. Ignoring works if you are prepared to lose thousands of people every couple of years. Does America want that to happen?

raildogg, you are absolutely correct on this one. We definitely need to go after the terrorists. I have always been for the pursuit and destruction of terrorist networks worldwide.

I just don't see how worrying about a showboating cleric in Pakistan, or non-existent nuclear weapons in Iran, or non-existent WMDs in Iraq are going to bring us any closer to this goal.

Al-Qaeda could care less about a Danish cartoonist, or Iran's nuclear program. Yet our actions over the last few years have created more terrorists than we've destroyed and have created more sympathy for their viewpoint.

There is a better way, and that is to focus on terrorists and their cells embedded in countries worldwide. We can't stop the next 9/11 on our soil by inciting violence and hatred for the US in the Middle East.

 

[Polish3d]

Long term view;

Long term if we can help move the middle east towards moderation it'll do more for preventing terrorism than worrying about not inciting the raging, idiot masses today.

Look at what has happened to Denmark over some ****** cartoons. You think that tip-toeing about trying not to offend these asshats is the correct course? Negative.


The only way in which the Iraq exercise will have been a bad choice strategically is if it fails to produce a moderate government that is an ally, which should theoretically help to moderate the region.

And please, just wait before claiming that Iraq is sunk, no matter how much you may wish for it to go as poorly as possible.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Frackal
The only way in which the Iraq exercise will have been a bad choice strategically is if it fails to produce a moderate government.

Pro-Iranian, Shiite-rule government...is that what we wanted?

 

[Polish3d]

Assuming Iraq does not descend into civil war (curb your hopes that it does!), it will be awhile before we can really judge the result.

It's fine to be concerned about the makeup of the govt.

But if you are going to go further than that you are merely guessing, with a strong bias at that.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: Meuge
That's cause there is a huge difference between being killed in a war, and being killed by a rampaging crowd. If you don't understand the difference, you don't belong in the modern world. Goodbye.

illegal undeclared war?

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

Originally posted by: dexvx

Originally posted by: envy me
Your statements are very generalized.
for example:

Saying Muslims crashed into the world trade center is exactly like say Catholics rape young boys.

(some priests did it)

You shouldn't generalize.

No.

Muslims DID crash a plane into the world trade center. All 19 hijackers were Muslim. There are no incidents of Christian, Jew, Buddhist, Taoist, Daoist, etc etc crashing jetliners into skyscrapers. Therefore that generalization is true.

Some Catholic priests raped young boys. However, not all people raping young boys are Catholics. Therefore that generalization is false.

So according to you as a Muslim I'm responsible for the crimes of Al-qaeda even if I don't support them or agree with their ideology. So that makes me a terrorist because I'm Muslim right? What don't you create a concentration camp a start a Holocaust against us?

Unbelievable!

Yup these people are no better than the naziz...those who want to kill us all.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: daniel49
Someone mentioned a lack of leadership in the muslum world?

One thing that intrigues me is I believe it was about 2 days ago I read this account of an imam in Pakistan who offered a reward of a new car for anyone who killed the Danish Cartoonist.

In America that is called trying to hire a hitman. It is illegal and punishable by prison.

Now I am not familiar with either Pakistani law or Danish law. Or what treaties of extradition they have between them.
But I would love to see"leaders" like this imam extradited, tried, and imprisoned for complicancy in attempted murder.

Of course this will never happen , but if it did I think we would hear less from these 2 bit thugs trying to use faith to incite the faithful to murder.

There is no muslim leadership in power today. I.E one that muslims refer to as "Khalifa" or Caliph. With the numerous different muslims factions and their often contradictory beleifs, its wrong to generalize. Infact there are more contradictions between some sects of Islam then some sects of Islam and christianity itself.

But brainwahsed people like those here on AT PN tend to go with popular thought rather than actually read up on history and the faiths of Islam. Brainwahsed by the american media. What is freedom when noone is your telephone line can be tapped by the government. What is freedom when they take away all your privacy?

And those that donot agree with Americas policies should not support its armies either just becuase they are american. Why are muslims shunned when they do just that?

I would like Bush tried for war crimes, waging an illegal war and be held responsible for the death of thousands!

 

[imported_Tango]

It's not a religious thing. It looks like one, but it's not. Even worse: if you actually ask the ones who killed those 16 people, they would say to you they did it for their religion, yet they did not.
It's the same old story: it's power and politics and money and control of natural resources. Those in the streets fight for an agenda they don't even know. You see it all the time, especially in Africa. The western media don't understand anything outside their normal, comfortable borders, and give the most easy portrait of it.

A war is the Balkans, and you hear it is for "ancient hatred", a genocide in Rwanda and they say is for "ancient tribal and ethnic conflicts", Darfur and it's "for religion and race". Now this, and they say it's because of some cartoons. Well, guess it, it's not. Exactly like it was not the case in Bosnia, Rwanda, Angola, Nigeria, Congo or Palestine. Have you ever heard of a leader of Hamas or Fatah doing suicide bombings? Never. They send 16 y.o. kids, telling them it is the best they can do, and taking advantage of their despair to get power and respect. And the more we spin around their vision of "struggle of cultures" the more they are succesfull.

Those people actually killing and dying are forced into believing they are serving some kind of cause, while in fact they are just following some warlord, politician, religious or tribal leader agenda. The war we should be fighting is the war against ignorance, that ignorance that make so many people so easily exploited. Go look at the warlords biographies. Rich people, educated in Paris or London who come back home and take advantage of desperate and ignorant people. It's happening again in Darfur. It's happening again all over the world for this cartoons.

Smart people have poor people fight, kill and die for a cause it doesn't even exist. And we accept their rules.

 

[StageLeft]

There isn't much outrage because Islam was founded on violence and has been spread throughout the ages by violence. It's plain as day to see violence throughout many of the pages of the Koran and Islam's clear message is that everybody should be a Muslim and those who are not get second-rate status (at best). It's not difficult at all to interpret Islam in the same way terrorists do all the time. They are merely acting in accordance with its barbaric scripture. The apologetic left doesn't like to admit this and pretends like cultural nihilism means that Islam is no better or worse than any other religion, but the proof is in the pudding (or bombs). As long as the pussy-whipped extreme leftists pander to the "poor me" individuals who on the one hand talk of Islam's peaceful nature and on the other are holding anti-western flags, the crazy among the Muslims will continue to make inroads into societies that were founded on principles patently incompatible with the blatant intolerance of Islam in its pure form.

Ever notice how the more Islamic a society is, the more of a hellish crap-hole it is? Case in point Afghanistan. Other examples: Iran, Syria, etc.

I've only personally known one Muslim closely at all and he was a great guy, but the teachings of Islam taken in their pure form result in fairly nasty characters. I don't know how many riots, bombs, planes, and kidnappings the West will have to witness before it realizes this. If I had to choose between a hardcore bible thumper and a hardcore koran thumper, give me the christian any day because I know he won't stab me in the throat for a f**king cartoon. Get a grip, nut jobs!

 

[Blackjack2000]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
I've only personally known one Muslim closely at all and he was a great guy, but the teachings of Islam taken in their pure form result in fairly nasty characters. I don't know how many riots, bombs, planes, and kidnappings the West will have to witness before it realizes this. If I had to choose between a hardcore bible thumper and a hardcore koran thumper, give me the christian any day because I know he won't stab me in the throat for a f**king cartoon. Get a grip, nut jobs!

Wow.

Fundamental Islam is no different from fundamental Christianity or Fundamental Judaism.

Look at what the Catholics and Protestants do to each other in Great Britain.

Your charactarization of the Islamic religion is dangerous and sad.