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Sluggo

Lifer
Jun 12, 2000
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Rental house, thats where my money is.

They send me a Money Order every month, I ignore their calls when there is trouble. It's a win/win.
 

ed21x

Diamond Member
Oct 12, 2001
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if you don't want to go through the hassle of doing research, just put all that into a medium risk vanguard index fund and be done with it.
 

ajajaj

Banned
Apr 6, 2010
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What the heck would a CPA do with the money?

Buy silver futures. 25-1 leverage. You will make $1 million this year guaranteed.

I have no experience with futures, but I see that you're bullish on Silver.

I recently read that JPM took over Bear Stern's manipulaterd short position on sliver. And then the whistle blower came forward. Then some people say that once the manipulation ends, silver may hit $50/$60 in short order..

you have any opinion on that ?
 

JackBurton

Lifer
Jul 18, 2000
15,993
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You should have invested it in Pier One stock in Q4 of 2008. You would have been a millionaire many times over now. Sadly, I did not.
 

JS80

Lifer
Oct 24, 2005
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I have no experience with futures, but I see that you're bullish on Silver.

I recently read that JPM took over Bear Stern's manipulaterd short position on sliver. And then the whistle blower came forward. Then some people say that once the manipulation ends, silver may hit $50/$60 in short order..

you have any opinion on that ?

Those are whiny losers who are pissed they can't corner the market like the Hunt brothers did. Silver ain't hitting $50.

I semi-said that stuff in jest. I'm not expecting anyone to open a futures account and lose their life savings in a matter of weeks.
 

JMapleton

Diamond Member
Nov 19, 2008
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Silver ain't hitting $50.

EVER? If you cannot give a timeframe, that's a pointless statement. The US dollar always and always will be losing value driving commodities up including silver and eventually, 5 years or 50 years, it has to hit $50 in my opinion.
 

iGas

Diamond Member
Feb 7, 2009
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NYSE:NLY
Range 17.20 - 17.40
52 week 13.21 - 19.74
Open 17.23
Vol / Avg. 9.15M/10.59M
Mkt cap 9.61B
P/E 4.95
Div/yield 0.65/14.96
EPS 3.51

Shares 553.16M
Beta 0.42

$17.38 yield $0.60~$0.75 dividend per quarter (roughly 15% return per annum).

NYSE:MFA
Range 7.21 - 7.34
52 week 5.42 - 8.39
Open 7.25
Vol / Avg. 4.06M/3.91M
Mkt cap 2.05B
P/E 6.93
Div/yield 0.24/13.15
EPS 1.05
Shares 280.76M
Beta 0.51

$7.30 yield $0.24~$0.27 dividend per quarter (roughly 14% return per annum).

NASDAQ:LINE
Range 25.82 - 26.47
52 week 15.01 - 28.99
Open 26.38
Vol / Avg. 1.80M/1.93M
Mkt cap 3.42B
P/E -
Div/yield 0.63/9.61
EPS -2.44
Shares 130.57M
Beta 0.62

$26.23 yield $0.63 dividend per quarter (roughly 9.6% return per annum).

Not too shabby for solid stocks with great beta. I would put 50%~65% in the above stocks and the rest in slightly higher risk portfolio.
 
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JS80

Lifer
Oct 24, 2005
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EVER? If you cannot give a timeframe, that's a pointless statement. The US dollar always and always will be losing value driving commodities up including silver and eventually, 5 years or 50 years, it has to hit $50 in my opinion.

I'm bullish on silver short term but I don't think it will hit $50 in your lifetime and possibly "ever."
 

iGas

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Feb 7, 2009
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I'm bullish on silver short term but I don't think it will hit $50 in your lifetime and possibly "ever."
Where did you get your information on silver when analysts saying that gold is not going to go much higher because the US market is on a recovery road?

IMHO, if you are interested in metals then it would make more sense to invest in copper, nickel, tin, zinc, etc...
 
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JMapleton

Diamond Member
Nov 19, 2008
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I'm bullish on silver short term but I don't think it will hit $50 in your lifetime and possibly "ever."

Inflation cuts the dollar in half ever 20 years. I plan to live 80 more years. Don't underestimate the power of compounding and the US government's ability to devalue their own currency to pay for debt.
 

JS80

Lifer
Oct 24, 2005
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Inflation cuts the dollar in half ever 20 years. I plan to live 80 more years. Don't underestimate the power of compounding and the US government's ability to devalue their own currency to pay for debt.

Don't underestimate the uselessness of shiny metals.
 

Net

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Aug 30, 2003
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1. up roth 401k contribution to max (and keep it maxed till retirement)
2. max roth ira (and keep it maxed till retirement)
3. lefts overs in tax-exempt fund adimral shares (through vanguard, etc..) if you do the one that is your state its also state tax exempt as well as federal tax exempt. (these are a collection of bonds)
 
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JS80

Lifer
Oct 24, 2005
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Where did you get your information on silver when analysts saying that gold is not going to go much higher because the US market is on a recovery road?

IMHO, if you are interested in metals then it would make more sense to invest in copper, nickel, tin, zinc, etc...

Fear. As long as we have trillion dollar deficits with a polarizing liberal in office, no matter a "recovery" V shaped or not, the fear will be there and the metal bugs will push the price up. In a recovery, new money is created - and the money will flow to stocks, bonds, and commodities.

Oh and the China wildcard - I doubt a world currency will be created, and Chinese have been signaling they will start buying non-dollar assets. I believe precious metals will be on the top of their list.
 

JMapleton

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Nov 19, 2008
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Don't underestimate the uselessness of shiny metals.

You like many others fail to see the great value and necessity of having a true currency.

Let me educate you. Precious metals exist and as long as there are markets and economics, will be in huge demand.

The demand for precious metals, besides the many industrial uses, which I'm not even going to talk about, is huge because precious metals cannot be created, they have to be discovered and they exist in limited and reliable quantities.

Precious metals are true currencies and because of their universal acceptance of value around the world. Everywhere you go, in every culture and currency in modern society gold and silver are accepted as currency. In a philosophical and technical sense, they do not serve a purpose, but because the entire world has effectively agreed to accept these metals are currency and storage of wealth, and because they cannot be inflated by governments, counterfeited, produced artificially, they serve as a defacto currency that crosses all cultures, governments, people, and modern generations. If a country fails, gold still keeps it's value. If a currency is inflated, gold keeps it's value. If you buy gold in Russia, you can sell it in Brazil. For this reason the entire world has accepted that gold and silver are universal currencies and there is an absolute and necessary need for a non-artificially produced currency that is universally accepted in order for the economies of the world to exist and continue. We cannot trust or rely on governments or fiat currencies.

Yes technically, if you stand back and think in a philosophical sense, gold and silver have little value. But in reality, the entire world for the last 3000 years has accepted these metals as "value" and our modern economies cannot exist without these. It's archaic and a simple way of doing things, but it's required.

Conclusion: It's not realistic to think gold or silver would ever lose value because of the requirement of modern economies for a non-inflatable and universally accepted currency. The only way gold and silver would become worthless is if the world was put back thousands of years in standards of living and economies did not require much beyond food, water, and housing.

The world would come to a halt without those metals.
 

ShawnD1

Lifer
May 24, 2003
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Fear. As long as we have trillion dollar deficits with a polarizing liberal in office, no matter a "recovery" V shaped or not, the fear will be there and the metal bugs will push the price up. In a recovery, new money is created - and the money will flow to stocks, bonds, and commodities.

Just remember to sell it when you're up. Don't be that one guy who's like "I just know it will reach XX! Don't sell it yet!" and it crashes, margin call, fuck.
 

iGas

Diamond Member
Feb 7, 2009
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Fear. As long as we have trillion dollar deficits with a polarizing liberal in office, no matter a "recovery" V shaped or not, the fear will be there and the metal bugs will push the price up. In a recovery, new money is created - and the money will flow to stocks, bonds, and commodities.

Oh and the China wildcard - I doubt a world currency will be created, and Chinese have been signaling they will start buying non-dollar assets. I believe precious metals will be on the top of their list.
I haven't seen the Chinese buying any gold/silver in the last 5 years any where on Earth, but in the last 5 years (especially in the last 2 years) they have been investing heavily in minerals in Canada, Australia, Africa, and South America (not gold/silver).

Recently China have increased their energy/mineral investment in Canada over 200% for the year of 2009 compare to their 2007 investment in Canada (same goes for Australia).

And, China investment in Africa has increased over 2000% for minerals in Africa (not gold/silver).

There is also a hint that China investment in Indian minerals may decrease over the next 5~10 years.

A bout 1/3 of my investment ideas come from reading miningnews.com

Like I have said above, where did you get your information, and please provide link/s.
 
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JS80

Lifer
Oct 24, 2005
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You like many others fail to see the great value and necessity of having a true currency.

Let me educate you. Precious metals exist and as long as there are markets and economics, will be in huge demand.

The demand for precious metals, besides the many industrial uses, which I'm not even going to talk about, is huge because precious metals cannot be created, they have to be discovered and they exist in limited and reliable quantities.

Precious metals are true currencies and because of their universal acceptance of value around the world. Everywhere you go, in every culture and currency in modern society gold and silver are accepted as currency. In a philosophical and technical sense, they do not serve a purpose, but because the entire world has effectively agreed to accept these metals are currency and storage of wealth, and because they cannot be inflated by governments, counterfeited, produced artificially, they serve as a defacto currency that crosses all cultures, governments, people, and modern generations. If a country fails, gold still keeps it's value. If a currency is inflated, gold keeps it's value. If you buy gold in Russia, you can sell it in Brazil. For this reason the entire world has accepted that gold and silver are universal currencies and there is an absolute and necessary need for a non-artificially produced currency that is universally accepted in order for the economies of the world to exist and continue. We cannot trust or rely on governments or fiat currencies.

Yes technically, if you stand back and think in a philosophical sense, gold and silver have little value. But in reality, the entire world for the last 3000 years has accepted these metals as "value" and our modern economies cannot exist without these. It's archaic and a simple way of doing things, but it's required.

Conclusion: It's not realistic to think gold or silver would ever lose value because of the requirement of modern economies for a non-inflatable and universally accepted currency. The only way gold and silver would become worthless is if the world was put back thousands of years in standards of living and economies did not require much beyond food, water, and housing.

The world would come to a halt without those metals.



I studied Econ in college you don't have to lecture me your misunderstanding of currency.

Here let me educate YOU. Do you think in 2000 years when we are driving around in flying cars and using galactic credits, that humans will care about some shiny metal?

What if it happens 1000 years from now? 500 years? 200 years?

So yes, it's possible that silver will never reach $50.

But if it does I hope it's this year. And if it does I'll throw you all a great party.
 

JS80

Lifer
Oct 24, 2005
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Just remember to sell it when you're up. Don't be that one guy who's like "I just know it will reach XX! Don't sell it yet!" and it crashes, margin call, fuck.

lol, being 25-1 leveraged, trust me my eyes are glued to the screen all day.
 
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