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rudeguy

Lifer
Dec 27, 2001
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Pretty easy solution to see if the LL is defrauding you.

1) Get account number from back of the check
2) Go to LL's bank with your LL
3) Ask for an account statement printout for the last month directly from the teller
4) Examine said account statement for a $2500 deposit.

Hell you can even do this online with a computer/cell phone and skip the whole teller part.


They will not give thou a printout of someone else's account.
 

EagleKeeper

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Oct 30, 2000
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You obviously missed "Step 2" out of that post.

If it was put through the LL account at Chase, there is no way in hell he is going to expose that account to TJ. Doing do allows evidence of attempted fraud on the LL part.
 

ElFenix

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Of course, the definition of "livable condition" varies...

i had a landlord argue that a place was livable after being flooded by 3 feet of water from hurricane ike's storm surge.

judge disagreed
 

indamixx99

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Wow, just started reading this thread yesterday. Subscribed, and best of luck! Looks like you caught this guy red handed.
 

TangoJuliet

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Jul 2, 2006
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So I have revised and edited 2 letters that I am sending to the LL tomorrow. I plan on going to Citibank to have those letters notarized by the branch manager and then they will be sent certified mail to the LL with April's rent.

Those letters read


Mr. LL,

After speaking with the police, the branch manager at Citibank in xxx, real estate agents and to numerous attorneys, they have all stated that I am under no obligation to pay you again for March’s rent. You admitted to having the check in your possession, signing it with your name and account number. I have provided you all the information I have after spending countless hours at the bank and on the phone.

I cannot sign an affidavit of forgery because I have zero evidence that a case of forgery exists. I will not sign a document when on that document it states making any false statements is a crime. If you have evidence that a forgery exists then you need to fill out the form and contact your local authorities. I have spoken with my local police department and they said I cannot fill out any paperwork because no crime has been committed between either of us.

As per our lease agreement, after April’s rent check all future rent checks will be put in an escrow account until you make the necessary repairs to the house. Those repairs include: repairing the backyard area and seeding the lawn where the cesspool was fixed. Fixing the pool cover so that it no longer sags allowing stagnant water to collect on top of it. Repairing the broken window in the master bedroom. A request to fix those items were given to you as far back as November 2011 and have still not been fixed.

We also will not require any further deliveries of oil. Any future deliveries by xxx Fuel Oil company will be denied. If the tank is filled by xxx when we are not home then it will be your responsibility to make payment. There is nothing in our lease that states we are required to continue your contract with xxx Fuel Oil company. As of right now the tank of 550 gallons is full. According to our lease agreement, you will be responsible for every gallon at a rate of $4.00 per gallon.

This letter is to inform you of the current status of requested repairs and protocol for future communications. If you would like to discuss any of these issues further please contact my attorney.
Thank you,
TJ


2nd letter

Mr. LL,

As per our previous communications you stated that “....Citi told you that the money was deposited into Chase. I do not own a chase account”. According to the information I received from my bank (Citibank), that is not accurate. Citibank has indicated that the March 2012 rent check was received by JP Morgan Chase bank. That does not mean it was deposited into a Chase account but rather the check was “cashed” by that financial institution.

(Picture of text message with the quoted information enclosed)

Included in the certified letter you sent to me was a check for your portion of March’s oil delivery. That check #xxx which has your name, address and signature on it is from a Chase Bank. I have included a copy of that check with that information circled and highlighted. This is now the 2nd time you have not told the truth in regards to March’s rent check. If you want to continue sending me letters that March’s rent needs to be paid a second time I will bring charges of fraud and harassment against you and your LLC. Please be advised that all of our communications via email and text have been recorded and have been forwarded to my attorney.

(Picture of March's oil check from LL enclosed)

I am also returning that same check for oil to you since it is not in the correct amount. The COD rate on March 5, 2012 was $3.759. You were billed $4.199. That is a difference of $0.44 per gallon. Since we are splitting that amount your total amount owed is $0.22 x 200 = $44.00 + $10.50 (tax) = $54.50. This total is due no later than April 2, 2012.

Thank you,
TJ
 

Juddog

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Dec 11, 2006
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So I have revised and edited 2 letters that I am sending to the LL tomorrow. I plan on going to Citibank to have those letters notarized by the branch manager and then they will be sent certified mail to the LL with April's rent.

Those letters read


Mr. LL,

After speaking with the police, the branch manager at Citibank in xxx, real estate agents and to numerous attorneys, they have all stated that I am under no obligation to pay you again for March’s rent. You admitted to having the check in your possession, signing it with your name and account number. I have provided you all the information I have after spending countless hours at the bank and on the phone.

I cannot sign an affidavit of forgery because I have zero evidence that a case of forgery exists. I will not sign a document when on that document it states making any false statements is a crime. If you have evidence that a forgery exists then you need to fill out the form and contact your local authorities. I have spoken with my local police department and they said I cannot fill out any paperwork because no crime has been committed between either of us.

As per our lease agreement, after April’s rent check all future rent checks will be put in an escrow account until you make the necessary repairs to the house. Those repairs include: repairing the backyard area and seeding the lawn where the cesspool was fixed. Fixing the pool cover so that it no longer sags allowing stagnant water to collect on top of it. Repairing the broken window in the master bedroom. A request to fix those items were given to you as far back as November 2011 and have still not been fixed.

We also will not require any further deliveries of oil. Any future deliveries by xxx Fuel Oil company will be denied. If the tank is filled by xxx when we are not home then it will be your responsibility to make payment. There is nothing in our lease that states we are required to continue your contract with xxx Fuel Oil company. As of right now the tank of 550 gallons is full. According to our lease agreement, you will be responsible for every gallon at a rate of $4.00 per gallon.

This letter is to inform you of the current status of requested repairs and protocol for future communications. If you would like to discuss any of these issues further please contact my attorney.
Thank you,
TJ


2nd letter

Mr. LL,

As per our previous communications you stated that “....Citi told you that the money was deposited into Chase. I do not own a chase account”. According to the information I received from my bank (Citibank), that is not accurate. Citibank has indicated that the March 2012 rent check was received by JP Morgan Chase bank. That does not mean it was deposited into a Chase account but rather the check was “cashed” by that financial institution.

(Picture of text message with the quoted information enclosed)

Included in the certified letter you sent to me was a check for your portion of March’s oil delivery. That check #xxx which has your name, address and signature on it is from a Chase Bank. I have included a copy of that check with that information circled and highlighted. This is now the 2nd time you have not told the truth in regards to March’s rent check. If you want to continue sending me letters that March’s rent needs to be paid a second time I will bring charges of fraud and harassment against you and your LLC. Please be advised that all of our communications via email and text have been recorded and have been forwarded to my attorney.

(Picture of March's oil check from LL enclosed)

I am also returning that same check for oil to you since it is not in the correct amount. The COD rate on March 5, 2012 was $3.759. You were billed $4.199. That is a difference of $0.44 per gallon. Since we are splitting that amount your total amount owed is $0.22 x 200 = $44.00 + $10.50 (tax) = $54.50. This total is due no later than April 2, 2012.

Thank you,
TJ

Owned! TJ I advise you to be cautious and protect yourself in case your landlord does anything stupid / illegal. Now that he sees he's been caught in a web of lies, he may try to opt for revenge at this point.
 

Blieb

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I don't see the point of notarizing the letters. Certified w/ Return Receipt should be sufficient.

I also don't see the humor in saying that his oil differential payment is due 4/2. It's unrealistic.

You should cite the lease section, statute, or city rule that specifies paying rent to escrow due to lack of repairs.
 

cirrhosis

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Logged in just to subscribe to this awesome thread.

I'm going through LL drama of my own so I'm looking forward to seeing how this plays out.
 

TechBoyJK

Lifer
Oct 17, 2002
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I don't see the point of notarizing the letters. Certified w/ Return Receipt should be sufficient.

I also don't see the humor in saying that his oil differential payment is due 4/2. It's unrealistic.

You should cite the lease section, statute, or city rule that specifies paying rent to escrow due to lack of repairs.

This.. Be firm in the letter, but don't take such an absurd, spiteful stance that you're going to kill any potential good will that's left.
 

TangoJuliet

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Jul 2, 2006
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This.. Be firm in the letter, but don't take such an absurd, spiteful stance that you're going to kill any potential good will that's left.

I put down 4/2 as the date because that it the date the LL has harassed me about paying the oil bill in the past. He has told me that if the bill was not paid 30 days after delivery it would be considered late and a violation of our lease agreement. Since the oil was delivered 3/4 he has 30 days to pay his portion of the bill otherwise he is in violation of the lease.
 

GotIssues

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Jan 31, 2003
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Use the first letter and add in the part about how you've kept records of your communications. Don't put in the parts about how he was caught in specific lies because 1) he'll just be more careful in planning his lies 2) he'll look to "get even" with you for calling him a liar (even though he is). 3) He may have lied more than you know of.

Leaving it at "I have been keeping a record of our communications" lets his imagination of what you actually have (maybe he's lied about more things you haven't found out about) and what you plan on doing with it. Rule #1: The unknown is far more scary than the known. Let his imagination run wild.

Also, from here on out, no telephone calls or face to face meetings without recording it (and let him know you are recording it), because he won't put lies in writing anymore.

EDIT: If you he asks you what he was lying about, start off with "Just a couple examples are 1) receiving the rent check and 2) not having an affiliation with Chase, then you paid me with a check from a Chase bank account." Imply without implying that you know of more. If he presses, just tell him that "I'm not getting into it right now. If you want to discuss this further, talk to my lawyer."
 
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iRONic

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Jan 28, 2006
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Use the first letter and add in the part about how you've kept records of your communications. Don't put in the parts about how he was caught in specific lies because 1) he'll just be more careful in planning his lies 2) he'll look to "get even" with you for calling him a liar (even though he is). 3) He may have lied more than you know of.

Leaving it at "I have been keeping a record of our communications" lets his imagination of what you actually have (maybe he's lied about more things you haven't found out about) and what you plan on doing with it. Rule #1: The unknown is far more scary than the known. Let his imagination run wild.

Also, from here on out, no telephone calls or face to face meetings without recording it (and let him know you are recording it), because he won't put lies in writing anymore.

EDIT: If you he asks you what he was lying about, start off with "Just a couple examples are 1) receiving the rent check and 2) not having an affiliation with Chase, then you paid me with a check from a Chase bank account." Imply without implying that you know of more. If he presses, just tell him that "I'm not getting into it right now. If you want to discuss this further, talk to my lawyer."
Solid advice.
 

mnewsham

Lifer
Oct 2, 2010
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yes avoid calling him a liar or implying he is a liar that could just lead to problems for you. Avoid anything that can be seen as rude from you, you want to come off as intelligent and on top of things, not a name caller and accusing him of lying.
 

waggy

No Lifer
Dec 14, 2000
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I need a lawyer to explain all of this to me.

Oh...

Wait...

Nevermind.

MotionMan

a am sure alky will be happy to clear it up for you. after all he knows more then banks, lawyers etc with his 160 IQ.

YHPM

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