which card for me?

ichiban02

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Hi guys, I'm a new member here. I wanted your feedback on what card to get.

Currently I'm running a 512mb 8800gts on my i5 asus z68v pro gen 3. I've been out of the gpu scene and would like some advice. I run a 1080p monitor and money is not really an object but I don't think buying the latest gtx 680 or 7970 makes sense with my resolution.

I was thinking of buying a used gtx 580 but are there other gpus I should take a look at? If I can play the newer games with pretty high details, that would be great.
 

blastingcap

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Best bang for the buck at the high-ish end is probably a used 6950 that you can unlock to a 6970.
 

Dark Shroud

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You should consider a AMD HD 7800 card. They'll get good performance and have the latest DX 11.1. I of course would learn towards the HD 7870.
 

blastingcap

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You should consider a AMD HD 7800 card. They'll get good performance and have the latest DX 11.1. I of course would learn towards the HD 7870.

Why do you keep talking about DX11.1 when most games haven't even caught up to DX11, or even DX10? By the time DX11.1 might be relevant, DX12 will be out anyway. And $350 for a 7870 is kind of a ripoff in a way because it barely moves the price/perf needle. I would wait as prices will probably fall. I would expect prices for 7870s to hit $300 within a few months. Maybe sooner.

The 28nm cards are not bad per se, just overpriced imho.
 

AtenRa

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If you OC, i will sagest you to get the HD7850 and OC it. You will get close to GTX580 performance at $250.

On the other hand, GTX580 has seen a price cut and you can get a new one from $359(newegg).
 

Lyfer

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Why do you keep talking about DX11.1 when most games haven't even caught up to DX11, or even DX10? By the time DX11.1 might be relevant, DX12 will be out anyway. And $350 for a 7870 is kind of a ripoff in a way because it barely moves the price/perf needle. I would wait as prices will probably fall. I would expect prices for 7870s to hit $300 within a few months. Maybe sooner.

The 28nm cards are not bad per se, just overpriced imho.

Keep believing that price drop hype. AMD has no reason ATM to adjust the 7800 pricing. Maybe in six months.

Waiting game....
 

blastingcap

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Keep believing that price drop hype. AMD has no reason ATM to adjust the 7800 pricing. Maybe in six months.

Waiting game....

Three words: buy Nvidia cards

They are the only ones even halfheartedly pushing prices of 28nm down. Screw AMD's ridiculous pricing. Nvidia will have other 28nm GPUs out soon enough. I'm sure the world won't end if you have to endure a few more months with your present card.
 

azeem40

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I highly doubt $250 for a card that can OC to the performance of a bit less than the 580 is overpriced.
 

blastingcap

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I highly doubt $250 for a card that can OC to the performance of a bit less than the 580 is overpriced.

It doesn't move price/perf anywhere. If you don't think new nodes and architectures ought to move price/perf forward, then I guess you'd be happy paying $1000 for an Athlon II X2 250 or something because it compares favorably with a Pentium III's price/perf. Pfft. New nodes and architectures SHOULD move price/perf forward because the new chips are smaller and cheaper to make (after they work the kinks out, anyway). I can't believe consumers like you are letting off companies so easily for 28nm GPUs.

An overclocked 7850 is only a bit faster than a GTX 570 at stock, and closer to the GTX 570 (stock) than the GTX 580 (stock).

An OC'd 7850 would thus be about 16% slower in BF3 than a stock 580 at 1200p: http://www.anandtech.com/show/5625/...-7850-review-rounding-out-southern-islands/11

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7850_HD_7870/26.html

To quote Anandtech's conclusion: "As for the Radeon HD 7850, things are not so clearly in AMD’s favor. From a power perspective it's by far the fastest 150W card you can buy, and that alone will earn AMD some major OEM wins along with some fans in the SFF PC space. Otherwise from a price perspective it’s certainly the best $250 card you can buy, but then that’s the catch: it’s a $250 card. With GTX 560 Ti prices starting to drop below $200 after rebate, the 7850 is nearly $50 more expensive than the GTX 560 Ti. At the same time its performance is only ahead of the GTX 560 Ti by about 9% on average, and in the process it loses to the GTX 560 Ti at a couple of games, most importantly Battlefield 3 by about 8%. AMD has a power consumption lead to go along with that performance lead, but without retail cards to test it’s not clear whether that translates into any kind of noise improvements over the GTX 560 Ti. In the long run the 7850 is going to be the better buy – in particular because of its additional RAM in the face of increasingly VRAM-hungry games – but $199 for a GTX 560 Ti is going to be hard to pass up while it lasts.

Of course by being in the driver’s seat overall when it comes to setting video card prices AMD has continued to stick to their conservative pricing, both to their benefit and detriment. The 7800 series isn’t really any cheaper than the 6900 series it replaces; in fact it’s probably a bit more expensive after you factor in the rebates that have been running on the 6900 series since last summer. But these prices stop the bleeding from what has been an aggressive price war between the two companies over the last 3 years, which is going to be of great importance to AMD in the long run.

Nevertheless we’re largely in the same situation now as where we were with the 7700 series: AMD has only moved a small distance along the price/performance curve with the 7800 series, and they’re in no particular hurry to change that. But if nothing else, on the product execution side of things AMD has done a much better job, getting their old cards out of the market well ahead of time in order to keep from having to compete with themselves. As a result your choices right now at $200+ are the 7800 and 7900 series, or last-generation Fermi cards. Otherwise we’re in a holding pattern until AMD brings prices down, which considering Pitcairn is the replacement for the Barts-based 6800, could potentially be quite a reduction in the long run."

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5625/...-7850-review-rounding-out-southern-islands/20

Prices will fall on these 28nm cards. They are already falling for the 7970 and the cascade will continue, particularly as Nvidia launches more 28nm GPUs. If you absolutely gotta buy now and plan to hold onto the card for 2+ years, the 7850 isn't that bad of a buy, but those who can wait or who want something to tide them over for the next couple of years until a more substantial upgrade could probably make do with a $190 GTX 560 Ti.
 
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azeem40

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I am not arguing that the 7850 is better. I am just saying that it is hardly overpriced for being in between the 6950 and 6970 in price and performance at stock clock.
 

blastingcap

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I am not arguing that the 7850 is better. I am just saying that it is hardly overpriced for being in between the 6950 and 6970 in price and performance at stock clock.

That is technically true, but such a low threshold to compare it to the previous node. I guess we have different expectations. I expected more from them, like how they put lots of price pressure with the 4870, 5870, and 6970. The 7970 barely improves price/perf and the same is true all the way down the line. Ironically it's Nvidia that is pushing price/perf harder this time around, but even they're not really pushing price/perf forward very much, either.
 
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TemjinGold

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OP: $250 for 7850 performance is about the best you can get for that amount of money. It's a good suggestion. Don't pay any attention to moving needles and whatnot. You get good performance for the price you pay.
 

ichiban02

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Haha, this thread kinda turned too technical for me.
I don’t plan to OC cause I don’t know how. I just want to run a gpu that can play games.
Right now, I play SC2 and TF2. I tried playing Crysis 1 and the game stuttered like crazy. Basically, I want a game that can run smoothly without hiccups, since I plan to play newer games such as BF3, Skyrim, Mass Effect 3, and whatever other games that will come out.

I was thinking of buying a used GTX 580 for around 300-325, or a used Radeon 7950. I upgraded my PSU to take xfire or sli configuration but I thought maybe sli or xfire is overkill, but I want good framerates.

I don’t know too much about the 7870 so I will start researching that.

My current picks
GTX 580
GTX 570
GTX 560 Ti 448 sli (I missed out the MSI Amazon deal!)
7950

And if I cant find good selection of used gpus, I was thinking of just getting the 680 from evga if they release the lifetime warranty version.

Personally, I would like the new gpu cause they use less power, but im open to anything.
 

ichiban02

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If money is not the issue get the best one you can afford, maybe a 580gtx. Whats your cpu btw? your current gpu is not that bad as to make crysis 1 stutter.
Designer,

its the i5 oc to 4.5 ghz. it stutters pretty badly to be honest. maybe case i put really high settings, haha.


What res is your monitor?

Sent from my Samsung Epic 4G Touch using Tapatalk

1080p u2311h.

i cant seem to find a good used deal on the 570/580/7950 so i will wait a little longer until the new 580s drop in price or if ihave an impulse buy for the 680
 
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dust

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Another vote for the 6950, unlocked or overclocked would cover 1080p nicely.

Edit: Just noticed you don't want to play with overclocking, there's a good chance you'll find an already unlocked one second hand.
 
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