Which CPU is Faster?

[BuckMaster]

A P3-550E@770MHZ@140FSB
OR
Duron 600@1040MHZ@104FSB

Im currently running a P3-550E@770MHZ runs great and fast! I just built a Duron 600@1040MHZ and Im thinking of switching out my hardware and running it on a Duron since its running over 1-GHZ. I mostly play games! Beside hang out here all the time!

Which would you have for your main computer? Duron or the P3? The other PC would just be a backup and playing Lan games, ect...

Other Hardware being Used:
Plextor 12/10/32
Kenwood 72X
256 -Mushkin PC 133 2-2-2
Voodoo 3-3500
S/B Live Value
Nic Intel 10/100 Pro
2-20 GIG 7,200 Maxtor UDMA 66


Thanks!

 

[jkersenbr]

I think that if you mostly game, stick with the P3. Nothing really needs a GHz yet, but FSB has been a bottleneck for a long time.

But what do I know, I just have a Celeron @ 550 -- your backup system will be faster either way than my workhorse.

 

[jsbush]

The duron is defentaly faster! But if it's worth switch over well that's another question that I can't answer.

 

[BuckMaster]

jkersenbr, All i can say is Grin

jsbush, Switching over isnt a problem! Both are in Enlight 7237 cases. All I would have to do is pull out the H/D&Floppy tray, CD-Rom trays, ram and cards which all would be very easy. I have the side panels off already even.

Just booting up over 1 GHZ looks cool But I want FASTER preformance if not Ill stick with my P3.

Thanks!

 

[jsbush]

You will get faster performence with the duron, just not that much! And you would have to tweak the bois and if you can set the ram to 133+mhz.

 

[StickHead]

The bottleneck in your system is your video card. Upgrading that will make the biggest difference.

 

[shk]

In my best estimated guess, I think the Duron "might" be slightly faster at the speed of 1040mhz@ 104mhzFSB than a P3 770's high 140mhzFSB. should be closes but that's nearly 300mhz differ. I have read and seen many comparison in the sites that the P3 just simply have better instruction management in performing 3D games than even a T-Bird, no questions. In this mhz case, I think it's really close.. maybe Duron little faster here. Any objection to this, feel free to yell

 

[Abomination]

LOL the duron would be way faster.

Just look at the benchmarks and read between the lines.... If any Athlon processor isn't just as fast as the P3 clock for clock, it's about 50% faster because it has such a strong raw floating point unit.

 

[shk]

Abomination,

Why come up with such off, nonsense argument? Please read my reply again clearly. I said in "3D gaming", not overall office apps. That 50% of difference betw. "T-Bird"(not Duron) over a P3 falls in other office bench, not 3D gaming. Why didn't you admit that? it's true. Please be honest, I do not like exagerations.

Simple Clear Fact: Currently, The P3s are better than T-Bird(that means Durons dont even come close to P3s, now it's my turn to exxagerate, lol) in "gaming" because the majority of games right now are little more favorable to SIMD ext instruction support. Please dont compare Durons to P3s please. It may change the opposite in the future but right now, this is the fact, period.

Let me stat again, to answer the first poster's question, despite the high FSB in his P3, I think the Duron maybe little faster because there's so much diff. in clock speed he was comparing.

Abomination

I thought you're a smart, educated guy. I was hoping that way and I think you are good, so why dont you be little more realistc instead of comparing a Duron to a P3s, common..

 

[bonkers325]

pIII is faster no questions

 

[TuffGuy]

the duron will be faster. you'll see.

 

[compuwiz1]

ok, quit arguing and go bench mark them already.

 

[lilstevo]

Buckmaster use both machines and see which feels faster. I kind like real world performance over benchmarks though they do give you numbers which is easier to compare. So put the duron in and see how it runs all your stuff and see which system feels faster. The difference is probably gonna be negalible. Though if it were me I'd go with the duron.

 

[SilverBack]

Ok here is a fact.
P3 800 2.2 keys/sec RC5
Duron 800 2.6 keys/sec RC5


As far as the issue for gaming.
Although the higher bus speeds for the P3 results in higher memory performance it helps very little for higher frame rates. It does increase fps by 5%.

The Duron however has a FPU/MHz advantage as well as a 200MHz EVA bus.
The ( overclocked )Duron is HANDS down faster in games. Disk performance as well.

If you believe that a P3 at 770Mhz can beat a Duron at 1040MHz then you have either:
1. Never had an opportunity to see a Duron perform
2. Never seen online comparisons between the two
3. Are trying to reasure yourself that the money spent on your P3 cpu wasn't a mistake ( it was )

A Duron on a KT133 motherboard, made by anyone, will out perform a P3 easily with only a 50Mhz difference. the P3 770 vs a Duron 850 is a no contest.

 

[BuckMaster]

LOL,

I dont know why but it just seems my P-3 is faster or as fast! But thats the computer that has all my good Hardware/and more Ram.

I guess Ill run some benchmarks when I get home. Weres a good place to D\L a good program to run and post back here?

I do remember these benchmarks threw Sandra Soft last week I took with differant settings:

K7T Pro 2-A
600 Duron @ 1.8V @ 1GHZ (9X Multiplier) (111-FSB)
128-PC100 Mushkin 2-2-2

Sandra - 2001
CPU
MIPS: - 2800
MFLOPS: - 1351

I will run more tonight also with my P3 CPU . Im wanting to say my P-3 was like 800-1000 less on the MIPS from the Duron. But I could be wrong ill have to double check. I dont know how much that benchmarks matters?

 

[shk]

SilverBack,

Who ever said that the P3 770 outperforms Duron 1040?? .. why exaggerate?? I am sick of people who does that. Did I say that P3 cl'k speed beats Duron 1040?.. no.

Somebody please help this guy out, he needs more tutoring beside just the system benchmarks, I am tired already trying to talk with this guy. Durons never, ever, ever, never compare with P3s, that is it. Dont depend on benchies too much. Some people spend more time in benchies that you can't play games. You've got to actually play games.

you said, "As far as the issue for gaming.
Although the higher bus speeds for the P3 results in higher memory performance it helps very little for higher frame rates. It does increase fps by 5%."

I thought you know the importance of high FSB. It does make serious amount of boost performance. Please dont make me to explain all this, because ya know it, just admit it. Keep in mind that exaggerators are not an idea for discussion.

Rule of Thumb: Never,,.. Ever,... even think about comparing Duron to any, even a non-overclocked P3s period. This rule of thumb is very important. Never forget that.

SOmebody please explain this guy, he is going the wrong path. Help needed. Dont worry, Im not trying to piss u off, it's just that you need to consider and think wider when comparing betw. two systems not just the benchy. Go look at some bench on the gaming aspect of it in anandtech site since you are here reading my post. Don't go by your own biased benchies, that's not fair way to do it also. hehe..

 

[shk]

BuckMaster,

Why dont you go for spending a little more cash and buy a P3 700 CC0 and up it @ 933, Im sure you know all this well but let me just say it You'll see "any" benchies nomatter what it is, you will see o'clocked P3 933 will "brutally Kill" Durons @ 1040. I bet on it. Not just kill, it will kill it so bad that you'll laugh very hard, okie dokie? I dont know about T-Birds at that speed as Duron but should be good competition. Because with my o'clocked P3 900 wipes out Up and Down left and right Non-overclocked T-Bird 1Ghz in Memory bench( which I dont care but tried anyway) in SisSoft Sandra 2k. Dont even ask me about How I beat Duron at this setting. If you decide to go with P3s, I wish you merry luck with success in P3 system for Christmas.

 

[SilverBack]

SHK,
you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about....
I however, being a system builder and an owner of both can quite truthfully say that the Duron at 1GHz will absolutely smoke that P3.

There is no question about that at all. You are severely deluded to even think so.

 

[Zephyr]

The Duron is definately faster... it's almost on par with the P3 clock for clock so with almost 300MHz speed advantage.. it's a no-brainer.

However I'd like to add, if I were to choose between the two systems I'd go with the duron, but if you're asking me if I'd upgrade to the Duron if I were on the P3 system already I would say no. A P3@770 is plenty fast right now, I'd say your money would be best spend upgrading your vid. card.

 

[jsbush]

Let me see here. A duron at 111 FSB, with the PCI clock speed = 149mhz memory speed + 200mhz cpu speed. Now that has a higher FSB then the P3 doesn't it!

 

[shk]

SilverBack, well so Am I. I build computers too and also build high-end workstations. I know you are upset and nervous, that's why you replied with your frustration saying I have absolutely no idea about what I am saying. I understand your furiousness. It's okay. LOL. Dont worry.. LOL. oh my... please dont post up any of your own tested benchy of any software here because it's off. way off. And you have said about the who smokes who backward. Flip that again and unveil the truth. And why didn't you admit, I did not say I think P3 770 outperforms Duron 1040. I mentioned this in my earlier posts, pleae dont ignore, i know you know it , you read it(hope you did). Also, Im the one who said being nearly Duron has 300mhz above P3 in this comparison, this would be greater advantage for Duron and I said P3 770 wont be able to beat. It's a common sense. So im talking to the last poster(not you SilverBack), Dont repeat the part what I have said. That makes people think im the opposer. No repeats, No Exaggerations(SilverBack on this one). Thank you and make this obvious P3 killing "any" Durons put an end. That is it, period.

 

[SilverBack]

JSBush ,
The pc he has, if running with PC133 memory, is running the ram at 137MHZ.

 

[SilverBack]

Sorry shk.
The FPU unit as well as the integer performance is better on the Duron than the P3.
The Duron is slightly slower than the P3 at the same clock speed. Howvever in this instance the Duron has a HUGE lead in clock. That P3 couldn't even approach the performance of the Duron. In ANY application, that includes games , apps, or benchmarking.

You are obviously not a system designer or you would know the obvious when you see it.

 

[jsbush]

Can you set it to Host clk + PCI clk? Isn't host clk the fsb?

 

[shk]

Mr. SilverBack,

You just can't give up do you.. Ok, I let you win. I yield. You didn't provide with your evidence from other reviewers' sites and looks like you just benched that on your own again. But im a nice guy, so I let you dance. Happy now? now, your wrong fact has been made and you have won for yourself, sad.