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JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
The Pentax is a great camera. Personally, I went with a Sony A100 and I am quite happy with it, but the Pentax was not available at the time. Pentax is a well-respected name in cameras and I cannot think of a reason why one would want to avoid them.

In truth, my recommendation is to find which camera fits best in your hand and buy that one. There really aren't any "dud" cameras out there right now.

ZV

I can think of one. They don't have anywhere near the selection of lenses that Canon or Nikon have. I've looked into this and Pentax doesn't even have 1/3rd of the lenses that Canon or Nikon make and I didn't see a single fast Pentax zoom lens in their lineup. If you plan to shoot sporting events, do portrait work or macro work you might as well forget Pentax.

My vote goes to Canon (since I own Canon gear) but you couldn't go wrong with Nikon either.
 

tfinch2

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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
The Pentax is a great camera. Personally, I went with a Sony A100 and I am quite happy with it, but the Pentax was not available at the time. Pentax is a well-respected name in cameras and I cannot think of a reason why one would want to avoid them.

In truth, my recommendation is to find which camera fits best in your hand and buy that one. There really aren't any "dud" cameras out there right now.

ZV

I can think of one. They don't have anywhere near the selection of lenses that Canon or Nikon have. I've looked into this and Pentax doesn't even have 1/3rd of the lenses that Canon or Nikon make and I didn't see a single fast Pentax zoom lens in their lineup. If you plan to shoot sporting events, do portrait work or macro work you might as well forget Pentax.

My vote goes to Canon (since I own Canon gear) but you couldn't go wrong with Nikon either.

Canon also has tons of overlap in their lens selection. If you take that into consideration it will cut the lineup drastically.
 

Slap

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If I were to go with Canon, what is a good all around lens to go with it? A lens I would probably use the majority of the time.
 

rudder

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Originally posted by: Slap
If I were to go with Canon, what is a good all around lens to go with it? A lens I would probably use the majority of the time.


I use this lens

The non-IS version is much cheaper and to be honest I haven't found much use for it. 28-105mm may seem like an odd range, but on many occasions I just need this one lens.


 

Kwaipie

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I bought my wife the D50 with an additional zoom lens for $699 for Christmas, I was leaning towards the D40 but the D50 should allow her to advance further in the hobby than the D40.
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: tfinch2
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
The Pentax is a great camera. Personally, I went with a Sony A100 and I am quite happy with it, but the Pentax was not available at the time. Pentax is a well-respected name in cameras and I cannot think of a reason why one would want to avoid them.

In truth, my recommendation is to find which camera fits best in your hand and buy that one. There really aren't any "dud" cameras out there right now.

ZV

I can think of one. They don't have anywhere near the selection of lenses that Canon or Nikon have. I've looked into this and Pentax doesn't even have 1/3rd of the lenses that Canon or Nikon make and I didn't see a single fast Pentax zoom lens in their lineup. If you plan to shoot sporting events, do portrait work or macro work you might as well forget Pentax.

My vote goes to Canon (since I own Canon gear) but you couldn't go wrong with Nikon either.

Canon also has tons of overlap in their lens selection. If you take that into consideration it will cut the lineup drastically.

Again, Pentax has what...7 zoom lenses (not a single zoom under f/4) and 11 primes (including 1 macro lens) and zero telephoto zooms. Not exactly a stellar lineup IMO.

Canon has primes in just about every combination you could possibly want. They have decent inexpensive primes, faster better quality primes and then they have their L series primes which are top notch. Same with the zoom lenses.
 

pontifex

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Originally posted by: Kwaipie
I bought my wife the D50 with an additional zoom lens for $699 for Christmas, I was leaning towards the D40 but the D50 should allow her to advance further in the hobby than the D40.

i have a d50 and i guess i'm happy with it. i always see people with such awesome pics. i assume its a lot of post processing which i don't really know how to do. i really don't know much about photography or cameras in general anyway though.

my photogallery with pics taken with my d50.

i use the kit 18-55, a tamron 28-80 (i think), and a tamron 70-300

 

getbush

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I just switched to a 30D but you can see some motorsports shots I took this summer with a D50 and a sigma apo 70-300 here http://rlbimages.smugmug.com/
The best mid range zoom to use as a walk around in terms of sharpness and IQ is the Tamron 28-75mm f/2.8 at $300 after rebate. The only thing better after that is the $1000 Canon 24-70 f2.8L
Primes are awesome though. Canon 35 f/2 or 28 f1.8, 50 f/1.4, and 85 f/1.8 is a sweet combo.
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Again, Pentax has what...7 zoom lenses (not a single zoom under f/4) and 11 primes (including 1 macro lens) and zero telephoto zooms. Not exactly a stellar lineup IMO.

Canon has primes in just about every combination you could possibly want. They have decent inexpensive primes, faster better quality primes and then they have their L series primes which are top notch. Same with the zoom lenses.

i count more than 7, including a 250-600.

as for primes...

this and this will cover most amateur photography, unless you're really into wildlife or taking pictures at highschool football games
 

tfinch2

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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: tfinch2
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
The Pentax is a great camera. Personally, I went with a Sony A100 and I am quite happy with it, but the Pentax was not available at the time. Pentax is a well-respected name in cameras and I cannot think of a reason why one would want to avoid them.

In truth, my recommendation is to find which camera fits best in your hand and buy that one. There really aren't any "dud" cameras out there right now.

ZV

I can think of one. They don't have anywhere near the selection of lenses that Canon or Nikon have. I've looked into this and Pentax doesn't even have 1/3rd of the lenses that Canon or Nikon make and I didn't see a single fast Pentax zoom lens in their lineup. If you plan to shoot sporting events, do portrait work or macro work you might as well forget Pentax.

My vote goes to Canon (since I own Canon gear) but you couldn't go wrong with Nikon either.

Canon also has tons of overlap in their lens selection. If you take that into consideration it will cut the lineup drastically.

Again, Pentax has what...7 zoom lenses (not a single zoom under f/4) and 11 primes (including 1 macro lens) and zero telephoto zooms. Not exactly a stellar lineup IMO.

Canon has primes in just about every combination you could possibly want. They have decent inexpensive primes, faster better quality primes and then they have their L series primes which are top notch. Same with the zoom lenses.



You've got to be sh!tting me. Do some research before you open your mouth.
 
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Originally posted by: rudder
Originally posted by: Slap
If I were to go with Canon, what is a good all around lens to go with it? A lens I would probably use the majority of the time.


I use this lens

The non-IS version is much cheaper and to be honest I haven't found much use for it. 28-105mm may seem like an odd range, but on many occasions I just need this one lens.

How is that lens actually? I heard it's kinda heavy... It's an EF lens so I guess with the crop factor it's not going to be wide enough, but I'm thinking of diving into DSLRs and starting out with that lens maybe in addition to the kit lens so I can still shoot in wide angle (surely someday I'll get a better wide angle lens).
 

Slap

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I decided to get the XTi body with a Sigma 18-50mm f/2.8 EX DC Macro. I started to go with the Sigma 17-70, but the 18-50 macro seems to produce some really sharp images. Hopefully I made a good choice.
 

zinfamous

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I've had a first gen digital rebel for 3? years now, and am very happy with it. I would still take it over the XTi, frankly. 2 more MP but the same physical size to the CMOS is going in the wrong direction. Right now, I would go with a Nikon D70. 6.3MP, and the physical size of the CCD is bigger than that of Canon's. Both Nikon and Canon make excellent lenses.

as for all-around lens. I have a Sigma 30-120mm zoom lens which is pretty good all-around. You don't get a good wide-angle with the digital stepping, but the comera does bring the lens to a nice telephoto length of 200mm.

Overall, you will be happy with any Canon or Nikon, I think. Lens options are excellent.
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: tfinch2
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: tfinch2
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
The Pentax is a great camera. Personally, I went with a Sony A100 and I am quite happy with it, but the Pentax was not available at the time. Pentax is a well-respected name in cameras and I cannot think of a reason why one would want to avoid them.

In truth, my recommendation is to find which camera fits best in your hand and buy that one. There really aren't any "dud" cameras out there right now.

ZV

I can think of one. They don't have anywhere near the selection of lenses that Canon or Nikon have. I've looked into this and Pentax doesn't even have 1/3rd of the lenses that Canon or Nikon make and I didn't see a single fast Pentax zoom lens in their lineup. If you plan to shoot sporting events, do portrait work or macro work you might as well forget Pentax.

My vote goes to Canon (since I own Canon gear) but you couldn't go wrong with Nikon either.

Canon also has tons of overlap in their lens selection. If you take that into consideration it will cut the lineup drastically.

Again, Pentax has what...7 zoom lenses (not a single zoom under f/4) and 11 primes (including 1 macro lens) and zero telephoto zooms. Not exactly a stellar lineup IMO.

Canon has primes in just about every combination you could possibly want. They have decent inexpensive primes, faster better quality primes and then they have their L series primes which are top notch. Same with the zoom lenses.



You've got to be sh!tting me. Do some research before you open your mouth.

I was looking through the B&H catalog this morning and that's all I counted so STFU. Looking at the B&H website there weren't many more options...unless you count the US version and the import version as two lenses. :roll:

Okay, I just checked out the Pentax website and they offer a grand total of 29 lenses. Again, zero fast zoom lenses and zero telezoom lenses...as I pointed out earlier. I think B&H left the uber expensive Pentax telephoto lenses out of their catalog probably because almost nobody buys them.

I think Canon has around 70 different lenses with plenty of fast zooms and a wide variety of choices. I'm just pointing that out so that someone doesn't buy this camera and then regret it later because of the slim choice of lenses. I've only seen one or two people point that out in the many "What DSLR camera should I buy" threads I've seen on here. Funny how the "OMG IT'S WEATHER SEALED JUST LIKE THE $5000 PRO BODIES FROM NIKON AND CANON!!!" crowd always seem to overlook that fact. I couldn't help but notice that you didn't mention it.
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: Slap
I decided to get the XTi body with a Sigma 18-50mm f/2.8 EX DC Macro. I started to go with the Sigma 17-70, but the 18-50 macro seems to produce some really sharp images. Hopefully I made a good choice.

Congrats! You'll love it.

Be sure to let us know how you like the Sigma 18-50mm lens. I'm kind of curious about that lens.
 

kalster

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for most people just getting in dslr (entry level) not having a very large range of lenses doesn't matter a whole lot. Since the pentax dslrs supports all the k mount lenses, you could use all the old k mount lenses , and get in body IS and since the viewfinder is pretty nice too, manual focusing shouldn't be that bad
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: kalster
for most people just getting in dslr (entry level) not having a very large range of lenses doesn't matter a whole lot. Since the pentax dslrs supports all the k mount lenses, you could use all the old k mount lenses , and get in body IS and since the viewfinder is pretty nice too, manual focusing shouldn't be that bad

Again, that's a compromise that people conveniently leave out. Does Pentax still manufacture those lenses? No? Well, I guess that leaves an ever decreasing market of lenses and a increasing demand. Know what that's going to do to the cost of those lenses? That's right...it will go up.

Just something to consider.
 

tfinch2

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Feb 3, 2004
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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: tfinch2
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: tfinch2
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
The Pentax is a great camera. Personally, I went with a Sony A100 and I am quite happy with it, but the Pentax was not available at the time. Pentax is a well-respected name in cameras and I cannot think of a reason why one would want to avoid them.

In truth, my recommendation is to find which camera fits best in your hand and buy that one. There really aren't any "dud" cameras out there right now.

ZV

I can think of one. They don't have anywhere near the selection of lenses that Canon or Nikon have. I've looked into this and Pentax doesn't even have 1/3rd of the lenses that Canon or Nikon make and I didn't see a single fast Pentax zoom lens in their lineup. If you plan to shoot sporting events, do portrait work or macro work you might as well forget Pentax.

My vote goes to Canon (since I own Canon gear) but you couldn't go wrong with Nikon either.

Canon also has tons of overlap in their lens selection. If you take that into consideration it will cut the lineup drastically.

Again, Pentax has what...7 zoom lenses (not a single zoom under f/4) and 11 primes (including 1 macro lens) and zero telephoto zooms. Not exactly a stellar lineup IMO.

Canon has primes in just about every combination you could possibly want. They have decent inexpensive primes, faster better quality primes and then they have their L series primes which are top notch. Same with the zoom lenses.



You've got to be sh!tting me. Do some research before you open your mouth.

I was looking through the B&H catalog this morning and that's all I counted so STFU. Looking at the B&H website there weren't many more options...unless you count the US version and the import version as two lenses. :roll:

Okay, I just checked out the Pentax website and they offer a grand total of 29 lenses. Again, zero fast zoom lenses and zero telezoom lenses...as I pointed out earlier. I think B&H left the uber expensive Pentax telephoto lenses out of their catalog probably because almost nobody buys them.

I think Canon has around 70 different lenses with plenty of fast zooms and a wide variety of choices. I'm just pointing that out so that someone doesn't buy this camera and then regret it later because of the slim choice of lenses. I've only seen one or two people point that out in the many "What DSLR camera should I buy" threads I've seen on here. Funny how the "OMG IT'S WEATHER SEALED JUST LIKE THE $5000 PRO BODIES FROM NIKON AND CANON!!!" crowd always seem to overlook that fact. I couldn't help but notice that you didn't mention it.

How many lenses do you really need to choose from? A large quantity of lenses is nice, but when you think about it, it really doesn't make a difference if there is enough to suffice, which the Pentax line-up offers, especially with 3rd party lenses as well.

Look at the Olympus Digital Zuiko line-up. It only has 16 lenses, but you really don't need anymore than what it offers. (Keep in mind the crop factor is 2)

8mm f/3.5 FE weathersealed
7-14mm f/4 weathersealed
14-35 f/2 weathersealed
35-100 f/2 weathersealed
90-250 f/2.8 weathersealed
150 f/2 weathersealed
300 f/2.8 weathersealed
11-22 f/2.8-3.5 weathersealed
14-54 f/2.8-3.5 weathersealed
50-200 f/2.8-3.5 weathersealed (I have it and love it!)
50 f/2 macro weathersealed
35 f/3.5 macro
14-45 f/3.5-5.6
17.5-45 f/3.5-5.6
40-150 f/3.5-4.5
18-180 f/3.5-5.6
 

fuzzybabybunny

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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: kalster
for most people just getting in dslr (entry level) not having a very large range of lenses doesn't matter a whole lot. Since the pentax dslrs supports all the k mount lenses, you could use all the old k mount lenses , and get in body IS and since the viewfinder is pretty nice too, manual focusing shouldn't be that bad

Again, that's a compromise that people conveniently leave out. Does Pentax still manufacture those lenses? No? Well, I guess that leaves an ever decreasing market of lenses and a increasing demand. Know what that's going to do to the cost of those lenses? That's right...it will go up.

Just something to consider.

True. I remember hearing that when the K100D came out, the price of the older Pentax lenses on eBay suddenly jumped. It's only going to get higher.
 

yhelothar

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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: tfinch2
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
The Pentax is a great camera. Personally, I went with a Sony A100 and I am quite happy with it, but the Pentax was not available at the time. Pentax is a well-respected name in cameras and I cannot think of a reason why one would want to avoid them.

In truth, my recommendation is to find which camera fits best in your hand and buy that one. There really aren't any "dud" cameras out there right now.

ZV

I can think of one. They don't have anywhere near the selection of lenses that Canon or Nikon have. I've looked into this and Pentax doesn't even have 1/3rd of the lenses that Canon or Nikon make and I didn't see a single fast Pentax zoom lens in their lineup. If you plan to shoot sporting events, do portrait work or macro work you might as well forget Pentax.

My vote goes to Canon (since I own Canon gear) but you couldn't go wrong with Nikon either.

Canon also has tons of overlap in their lens selection. If you take that into consideration it will cut the lineup drastically.

Again, Pentax has what...7 zoom lenses (not a single zoom under f/4) and 11 primes (including 1 macro lens) and zero telephoto zooms. Not exactly a stellar lineup IMO.

Canon has primes in just about every combination you could possibly want. They have decent inexpensive primes, faster better quality primes and then they have their L series primes which are top notch. Same with the zoom lenses.

Pentax is a bit lacking in the pro zoom line up now.
But this will be changed very soon with the introduction of the DA* line. It's basically Pentax's answer to Canon and Nikon's pro series. Three fast zooms pro zooms, weather sealed. http://www.livingroom.org.au/photolog/lenses/3_new_pentax_da_lenses.php
Not to mention you can get third party lenses now if you want fast zooms.

Pentax's main advantage over Canon/Nikon's line of lenses are their APS cropped lenses. This means you can get wider lenses for nearly half the price with better image quality. Take the DA 14mm F/2.8 for example. It costs around $650, and it blows away canon/nikon's 14mm F/2.8 lens that costs over double the price!

Then you have the limited line of lenses, that are pretty much the best autofocus lenses you can buy. It doesn't have all the bells and whistles like Canon's lenses with the USM, super fast 1.0 aperture, etc. But instead, it's built like a tank and feels like a jewel. It's like comparing a rolex to a timex. Link

Pentax may not have it all, but they are more than sufficient, especially for your average dslr starter.
 

yhelothar

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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: kalster
for most people just getting in dslr (entry level) not having a very large range of lenses doesn't matter a whole lot. Since the pentax dslrs supports all the k mount lenses, you could use all the old k mount lenses , and get in body IS and since the viewfinder is pretty nice too, manual focusing shouldn't be that bad

Again, that's a compromise that people conveniently leave out. Does Pentax still manufacture those lenses? No? Well, I guess that leaves an ever decreasing market of lenses and a increasing demand. Know what that's going to do to the cost of those lenses? That's right...it will go up.

Just something to consider.

While it's true that it's going up, it's still well worth it. Consider this, if you buy a new lens, and sell it a month later, you'll likely get a lot less for it than what you paid. But if you buy one of these old manual focus lenses, and sell it a year later, you'll gain money for using it. It's pretty much an investment.
 

yhelothar

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
well wtf is this, then?



as for the price of lenses on ebay jumping, it was due to those $350 *ist cheapies that pentax was blowing out, more than the K100D.

That lens is amazing. But you'll be hard pressed to find one today. Pentax discontinued all of their 35mm lenses, except for the three limited primes.
But on the bright side, the DA* lenses will more than make up for it.
 

fuzzybabybunny

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Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: kalster
for most people just getting in dslr (entry level) not having a very large range of lenses doesn't matter a whole lot. Since the pentax dslrs supports all the k mount lenses, you could use all the old k mount lenses , and get in body IS and since the viewfinder is pretty nice too, manual focusing shouldn't be that bad

Again, that's a compromise that people conveniently leave out. Does Pentax still manufacture those lenses? No? Well, I guess that leaves an ever decreasing market of lenses and a increasing demand. Know what that's going to do to the cost of those lenses? That's right...it will go up.

Just something to consider.

While it's true that it's going up, it's still well worth it. Consider this, if you buy a new lens, and sell it a month later, you'll likely get a lot less for it than what you paid. But if you buy one of these old manual focus lenses, and sell it a year later, you'll gain money for using it. It's pretty much an investment.

Also true. AND methinks that given time, as Pentax gains popularity, the prices of modern lenses will decrease too in the used market. So as the price of their older lenses go up, the prices of modern Pentax mount lenses will go down.
 
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