Which GTX970 to get?

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ithehappy

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Ha ha thanks, first one doesn't ship to my country, second one does, but shipping is 97 bucks or something
 

mfenn

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What's these Xeon CPUs? I'm seeing some CPU like E5 1660 V3 selling around 600 bucks Amazon US. How are Xeon line-up different from i7 line-up?

Xeon is Intel's server CPU brand. The lower-end Xeons are the same chips as high-end i7's.

Also, it would be great if you would let us know what country you need shipment to.

I think the biggest tech sided situation that keeps me on my current systems is that DX12 might like more cores on a CPU. The pockets in my pants just laugh at doing an upgrade. They both laugh looking at each other and high five themselves - lol

The fact that DX12 will allow for multi-threaded API calls is nice, but it's not necessarily going to make games magically take advantage of a 6-core beast. Fast CPUs don't see much benefit, it's more about making it so slow CPUs can keep up.
 

ithehappy

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India. Didn't know that lower end Xeons are the same chips are higher end i7s.

So you saying getting a 6 core CPU is impractical now? I mean if those cores aren't used in gaming then I certainly wouldn't be interested to get a hexa core model over a normal quad core one.
 

mfenn

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India. Didn't know that lower end Xeons are the same chips are higher end i7s.

So you saying getting a 6 core CPU is impractical now? I mean if those cores aren't used in gaming then I certainly wouldn't be interested to get a hexa core model over a normal quad core one.

If you can get a cheap Westmere 6-core (Xeon X56xx), then it makes sense as a cost-effective upgrade for you because those chips have both a clock speed and core count advantage over the Nehalem chip that you have. However, if you end up going for a new Haswell platform, then it doesn't really make sense to get an X99 (rebranded Xeon) platform because there's a large cost premium associated with doing so.

I did a bit of searching and couldn't find Westmere Xeons for good prices in India, but you may know of some local sources. Servers of that generation are about 5 years old now, so lots of companies will be looking to get rid of them for cheap.
 

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To chime in from what others have said, an X5675 + GTX 970 seems like the best upgrade, value-wise.

Forgive my n00b question, but he'll be limited to FSB overclocking with the X5675, correct?
 

ithehappy

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Well market for Xeon chips in my country is very less demanding, so they still are selling at a ridiculous price over here, at least three times than what has been mentioned, so it doesn't make any sense going for that while for just a little extra I will be able to get a Haswell.
If those Xeons are selling on popular US sites then I can use some forwarding courier services to ship it here at decent rate, by popular sites I mean sites like Amazon or Newegg etc.

I quite clearly understand that the price of current Haswell lineup is very high and not really value for money, for example if I buy the 5820k now I will be paying almost 2.5 times extra than what I bought the i7 950 for back in 2010. So it is indeed high. In fact the price of a 5820k now is exactly what I paid for the 950 and Sabertooth and DDR3 4GB memory, LOL.

But the question is, the way prices fall down of these things, if I wait around couple of months and the price comes down of those Haswell chips then would it be worth it in getting them over those earlier generation Xeons? You say the new Haswell chips are re-branded Xeons, what has Intel been doing for past three years then?
 

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No, I had an SSD, which was mistakenly sold when I sold my laptop. Was thinking about getting a 850 Evo, don't know, I mean those are great for overall system but gaming (except the loading time).

how about the Crucial MX100? 110$ for 256GB.
 

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To chime in from what others have said, an X5675 + GTX 970 seems like the best upgrade, value-wise.

Forgive my n00b question, but he'll be limited to FSB overclocking with the X5675, correct?

that's exactly what I got to upgrade my core i7-920 and AMD 6950. Very happy so far (for gaming in 1920x1200)
no need to get X99, I will wait for its successor.
 

Burpo

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Well market for Xeon chips in my country is very less demanding, so they still are selling at a ridiculous price over here, at least three times than what has been mentioned, so it doesn't make any sense going for that while for just a little extra I will be able to get a Haswell.
If those Xeons are selling on popular US sites then I can use some forwarding courier services to ship it here at decent rate, by popular sites I mean sites like Amazon or Newegg etc.

I quite clearly understand that the price of current Haswell lineup is very high and not really value for money, for example if I buy the 5820k now I will be paying almost 2.5 times extra than what I bought the i7 950 for back in 2010. So it is indeed high. In fact the price of a 5820k now is exactly what I paid for the 950 and Sabertooth and DDR3 4GB memory, LOL.

But the question is, the way prices fall down of these things, if I wait around couple of months and the price comes down of those Haswell chips then would it be worth it in getting them over those earlier generation Xeons? You say the new Haswell chips are re-branded Xeons, what has Intel been doing for past three years then?

Wrong wrong wrong.. You expect Haswell prices to fall in months? Not happening.. You compare price of a modern 6 core and what you paid for a 2010 quad core? Ummm.. ok.. Rebranded Xeons? Not true.. Xeons are binned better than i7's.
FWIW, you can buy a Xeon X5675 from a reputable seller on ebay that does ship worldwide for much less than you claim.. That's all you need to upgrade your system.. I also have the SaberTooth X58 and have run my X5650 @ 5Ghz.
 
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mfenn

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I quite clearly understand that the price of current Haswell lineup is very high and not really value for money, for example if I buy the 5820k now I will be paying almost 2.5 times extra than what I bought the i7 950 for back in 2010. So it is indeed high. In fact the price of a 5820k now is exactly what I paid for the 950 and Sabertooth and DDR3 4GB memory, LOL.

There are two types of Haswell: Haswell, and Haswell-EP. The 5820K is a Haswell-EP, which is the Xeon platform. I was referring to normal Haswell, e.g. the 4690K, 4790K, etc.

But the question is, the way prices fall down of these things, if I wait around couple of months and the price comes down of those Haswell chips then would it be worth it in getting them over those earlier generation Xeons? You say the new Haswell chips are re-branded Xeons, what has Intel been doing for past three years then?

Xeon is an overarching brand that covers many different CPU architectures going all the way back to Netburst (aka Pentium 4). Haswell-EP was designed as a Xeon platform, but so were Ivy Bridge-EP, Sandy Bridge-EP, Westmere, Nehalem, Harpertown, etc.

Also, no Haswell-EP prices will not fall for several years, basically when enterprise servers start getting sold off and parted out.
 

mfenn

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Ummm.. ok.. Rebranded Xeons? Not true.. Xeons are binned better than i7's.

The evidence that you provided in no way supports your assertion. The X99 i7 platform is most certainly based off the Xeon product, and is simply rebranded for enthusiasts. If they weren't, there would be no X99 platform because the enthusiast market is simply not large enough to support the R&D costs for the platform. Bins for individual SKUs have nothing to do with that.

Also, your evidence "Xeons are binned better than i7's" isn't true in general. The i7 5690X is the same bin as the E5-1660 v3 and the i7 5930K is the same bin as the E5-1650 v3.
 

Burpo

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I was talking about the Westmere EP series.. not Haswell

And your info on the Xeon is incorrect. I've been playing with them since 1998.
My favorite was "Deschutes" Pentium II Slot 2..
 
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mfenn

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Xeon goes back further than Netburst..

"The first Xeon-branded processor was the Pentium II Xeon (code-named "Drake"). It was released in 1998"..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xeon

OK sure, but that really has nothing to do with my main point that Xeon is an overarching brand covering many different processor architectures.

To be pedantic, Xeon was actually a model designator until Netburst. The original PII and PIII server parts fell under the Pentium II and Pentium III brands. But again, that's not actually important for my argument.

I was talking about the Westmere EP series.. not Haswell

And your info on the Xeon is incorrect. I've been playing with them since 1998.
My favorite was "Deschutes" Pentium II Slot 2..

OK, but that's still not correct for Westmere (Westmere-EP was for dual-socket parts). The i7 990X is the same bin as the Xeon W3690, the i7 980X is the same as the Xeon W3680, and the 4.8 GT/s QPI i7 980 is actually a higher bin than the corresponding Xeon W3670.
 
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ithehappy

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Wrong wrong wrong.. You expect Haswell prices to fall in months? Not happening.. You compare price of a modern 6 core and what you paid for a 2010 quad core? Ummm.. ok..
Yeah, that comparison was indeed rubbish, anyway, was over my head.

FWIW, you can buy a Xeon X5675 from a reputable seller on ebay that does ship worldwide for much less than you claim.. That's all you need to upgrade your system
Link?

One thing, I'm upgrading, so I don't want another hot chip wasting so much power, I hope the 5675 is not like that, or is it?
 

ithehappy

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Thanks mate, I have seen that product though, it says "seller refurbished", that's why I avoided it.
 

ithehappy

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No worries.. It's a server proc..
Yeah that it is. I guess I will get it then, I mean honestly right now that seems like a fair thing to do. One thing, that will support my motherboard right? I was reading another person's posts and saw that his X58 EVGA didn't support the CPU!

Why there isn't a single review out there of it anyway?
 
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