Which has more CPU overhead, usb mouse or ps2 w/ ps2rate 200hz?

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Packet

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pulling up an older article here, but this was talked about on alot of tech sites when USB mice were getting more and more popular... kinda an old topic now.

http://firingsquad.gamers.com/faceoff/981108/

taking some quotes that pertain to the topics discussed

"Well, for the rich and mighty, or namely those who could afford Pentium II systems or AGP Socket-7 motherboards, this seemed like a dream come true. However, USB had its share of problems. As detailed by Microsoft's Support Online Knowledge Base, USB signals can be extremely processor intensive (taking up to 10% of the processor with heavy movement), and unfortunately they tended to be somewhat low priority when compared to other system events such as I/O access and video refreshes. On a Pentium 200MMX, a USB mouse takes up anywhere from 10-20% of the CPU during heavy activity. On a P2-400, it can still go up to 11%. From these numbers, it seems that using a USB mouse might actually hurt gameplay, especially on processor-crunching games such as Quake II. "

Ok, said here that USB can take up 10-20% of the CPU during heavy activity, now this article is on slower comps, 200MMX, P2-400, etc... So yes USB does take up CPU cycles, but its doubtfully noticable on anything faster than a P2-400

"It was at around this time that the USB Intellimouse came out, and when I saw the benefits of its incredible 125Hz sampling rate, I immediately jumped ship and switched to USB"

USB is capable of higher sampling rate, 100-125Hz I beleave, never herd anythign lower than that. I just looked through 10-20 pages on USB mice specs and they all said either constant 120hz or 125hz, not sure were you got that it was much lower than that... I sure have never herd of it.

The Mhz was a unconsious mistake, I had just talked to my boss about upgrading the cpus around here and had "Mhz on the brain"
 

ukDave

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i do find that in heavy total sytem load (i.e. CPU, hard disk etc.) my USB mouse goes jerky but as soon as the system is running normally its fine.
 

Pabster

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CTho9305 wrote:

"the system monitor is VERY inaccurate. get taskinfo2000 or wintop (part of win95 kernel toys - it works in 98 & ME). those provide a breakdown and are more accureat"

Wrong. WinTop was (is) notoriously INaccurate. Win2k System Monitor is far more accurate.




 

LocutusX

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<< Wrong. WinTop was (is) notoriously INaccurate. Win2k System Monitor is far more accurate. >>



Why are you comparing a Win98 app to a Win2K app? That's irrelevant.
 

TravisBickle

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what is it with people and optical mice? I've heard this &quot;I'll never go back&quot; stuff a few times now.
 

Chad

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I prefer running my Logitech MouseMan Plus Optical with the PS2 adapter using PS2Rate. It does feel smoother to me in First Person Shooters. My opinion of course.
 

TunaBoo

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<< I prefer running my Logitech MouseMan Plus Optical with the PS2 adapter using PS2Rate. It does feel smoother to me in First Person Shooters. My opinion of course. >>



Exactly what I got.


Okay USB people try this. Make a 500 meg zip file or something. Copy it from 1 part of your HD to another, or 1 partition to another, or whatever. Then in paint shop (as it is copying) try to write HELLO EVERYONE.

Now switch to PS/2 and try to do the same.

I would like to see some people post this high-tech test. I will do it later for giggles.

It just shows how jumpy USB gets under high I/O action, no matter what you do (DMA. etc. doesn't help).
 

nortexoid

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i don't really care if USB has higher overhead than ps2, i just want to see some &quot;factual&quot; evidence supporting such a claim...

and soccerman, i think noriaki isn't saying that ps2 rate adjustment doesn't add smoothness to your mousing/movements, he's saying that anything over your screen's refresh (i.e. over 100hz mouse refreshes) are pointless as the screen can't draw it that fast...

obviously, going from 40hz to 100hz makes a big difference.
 

lupin

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I'm using MS Intelli Mouse Optical USB on Win2K, with P3 @ 733 MHz and lots of ram.

This is what win2k's task manager shows:

with no windows open, moving the mouse very quickly use up to 10%.
with couple windows open, it's as high as 26%.

I'm on litestep though. Will try later on explorer desktop.

-edit-
same result on explorer desktop.
 

Pabster

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LocutusX wrote:

&quot;Why are you comparing a Win98 app to a Win2K app? That's irrelevant.&quot;

Because you shouldn't be performing the &quot;test&quot; under anything but Windows 2000. That's why.
 

LocutusX

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<< Because you shouldn't be performing the &quot;test&quot; under anything but Windows 2000. That's why. >>



I'm sure there are plenty of people using Win98 who want to know which is best under their OS.
 
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